Star Wars' "Black Stormtrooper" to Critics: "Get Used to it"

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Mikeybb

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Well, I was too busy being an excited little geekling when watching the trailer to get caught up in this, but I did wonder what was happening there.

There is a possibility he's not actually a stormtrooper but, like luke and han, disguised as one in the scene in question.
However, I personally hope he is a Stormtrooper.
The idea of a soldier, having learned the true darkness behind the imperial propaganda, breaks free and attempts to right the wrongs he was complicit in appeals to me greatly.
The only thing that would have really jarred with the fiction would have been an alien stormtrooper.
The Empire valued useful aliens but only as tools.
They were always a bunch of speciesist shits in everything we've ever seen about them.
Villains to the core.

It's probably already been covered, but the idea that stormtroopers were surviving clone troopers and possibly subsequent batches of the same seems to be likely.
However, the Empire in a position of power would have been able to draw the best from all aspects of the Imperial army, and the idea of some being clones and others being soldiers promoted into the ranks seems likely.

My personal theory (headcanon warning!) was that the original clone sample and facilities were lost when the Emperor took power.
He did forbid cloning in some fiction which makes sense as one of the first things to do in consolidating his power was to deny the weapons he used to seize power to others.
The senate being one.
The jedi being another.
Cloning being on this list makes a lot of sense.
If I remember rightly, there were laws passed against military/assassin grade robots being manufactured by anyone but the empire too.
As such, the necessity to grow his stormtroopers in a jar somewhere would have been lost, as he had the resources and citizens of a newly formed empire to draw on.

Additionally, If the original cloning facilities were lost, then the original master sample may have been too.
Any subsequently cloned stormtroopers would have been copies of copies.
Degradation over time, evidenced by the inaccuracy of later generations of stormtroopers compared to clonetroopers, could have necessitated drawing in recruits from more conventional sources, otherwise he'd end up with an army that couldn't hit a pair of twins dangling off a cable at twenty feet.
 

Qizx

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Strazdas said:
Stormtroopers are all clones of same genetic code mass produced to be a cheap military force. That would also explain why they are all such a horrible shots, the original source probably was.

I got no problem with stormtroopers looking however the hell they want (well except perhaps fat because using a fat person as cloning base for military personnel is just stupid), as long as they are consistent with the "all clones" fact.
You have to be kidding, please tell you're kidding right?

I've only watched the movies and have some random other info from the internet and even I know that pretty much everything you said was wrong.

I didn't read through all 9 pages to see if this was clarified but was this a joke that went over my head?
 

Racecarlock

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Is battlefront 2 that obscure? I must be one of the only people who played through the campaign mode which includes a mission where the new clones haven't gotten order 66 yet so they oppose the empire and so you have to go in and steal the DNA samples to stop the cloning process.

God that was a great campaign.
 

Bart XB

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Metalrocks said:
Critics of Boyega base their argument on the fact that the Empire is meant to be an analogy for Hitler, the Nazis, and the "Master Race," and thus having a black actor portray a Stormtrooper undermines that analogy.
Well, they're wrong since the real nazi's actually had (some) colored soldiers.


Also Jango & Boba Fett... Not exactly white dudes.
 

AgDr_ODST

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As far as movies go when I'm being level headed I'm typically of the opinion that you shouldn't judge till you have more context or have seen the full scene. So I can't really say anything yet, I did get excited though when I realized that John Boyega was the young lead from in Attack the Block.
 

Madkipz

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I dare anyone to find someone genuinely outraged over the black stormtrooper debacle. At worst you'll find people confused about the lore reasons because they thought they were all clones of Fett from the second movie, and at best you can find a couple of youtube comment trolls. This kind of clickbait media outrage is a sham.

Good luck to the actor though.
 

Arcane Azmadi

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Also, although someone has undoubtably pointed this out already, since this is a SCI-FI story with aliens, the implication in the original trilogy was that the Emperor wasn't a racist, he was a SPECIESIST; Grand Admiral Thrawn was the only non-human to ascend to high rank in the Empire because he was just THAT good. As Terry Pratchett once put it, "black and white lived in perfect harmony and ganged up on green".

PrinceOfShapeir said:
Given that we regularly saw Stormtroopers of different heights and with different voices in the original trilogy it seems pretty obvious they were either not all clones or no longer all clones of the same guy.
Well yeah, assuming they didn't just say that all the clones of Jango were eventually killed off and replaced with normal humans as stormtroopers between the trilogies, the entire "army of clones" thing in the prequel trilogy was just a stupid retcon. Hell, before the prequel trilogy came out and fucked everything up, the expanded universe had referred to the infamous "Clone Wars" as a war between the forces of the Republic and the evil "clonemasters".
 

TristanBelmont

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Yes, the Empire was analogous to the Nazi Party.

No, they were not actually Nazis.

I'd say they were closest to the British Empire. Yes, they were also racist, but not to the point of genocide. Just huge dicks to everyone who made the mistake of not being born White and Pretty.

Which means I apparently share this franchise with a bunch of racist pricks.
 

Falling_v1legacy

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Who had an issue with this?
The real problem I had was when they turned all stormtroopers into clones. I far preferred the pre-prequel idea that the clonemasters were an external threat to the Republic and that stormtroopers were always recruited/ conscripted (and probably brainwashed) humans.
Oh well.
 

Cecilo

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1) Episode 7 Stormtroopers probably aren't clones of Jango Fett any longer, there might be some of the 501st or other original legions, but most of them are local militia forces. As you can read later Palpatine hated aliens, but he never showed any dislike of different humans, I mean how could he, he was grey. I don't know about you but I don't know many grey humans. (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8f/Emperor_RotJ.png)

2) I still have a small problem with his character, and it isn't his skin color. He doesn't fit what a soldier should be, he looked more like someone freaking out on some kind of drug, not a professional soldier. Give him a proper weapon and put him in a lineup with other Stormtroopers, standing up straight and whatnot and he'd probably look fine, though the entire point of the Stormtrooper armor is to make it look faceless fearless army. Which is kind of broken when you see a stormtrooper freaking out in the desert.

3) Previous posters are correct, during the Emperor's reign he was extremely xenophobic, although he was from Naboo, he really disliked anything that wasn't human, non-humans were traditionally barred from positions of power, and while most of the EU lore isn't in use anymore it is still there, and the Emperor despite his prejudices would give people who did a good job, power, like Admiral Thrawn, (http://www.starwars.com/news/the-legendary-star-wars-expanded-universe-turns-a-new-page)

Off-topic - Lightsabers with Crossguards have been in the lore since 2004, they were from EU Comics and Pen-and-Paper Star Wars games. And the Sith is wearing a Mandalorian Mask, to those who aren't familiar with Mandalorians, Jango and Boba Fett (And by extension the clones) were Mandalorians, if they were true Mandalorians or just adopted their culture is unclear. (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Crossguard_lightsaber)

Further Off-Topic and an Edit - There is a theory going around that the Sith is Revan, for those not aware, Canon Revan was a woman.
 

HaWkE_N7

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All these people saying the Clones were Maori in the prequels are fools. All it was was an actor playing them from a Maori background. The way these people talk it's as if Maori's actually existed in the Star Wars universe.
 

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Metalrocks said:
was first surprised since originally they are all clones from a white gut but since he is all alone and freaked out, i also guess he must have been undercover and somehow ended up in the dessert.
but otherwise, i dont care. as long the performance is good, thats what matters to me.
Apparently, they aren't all clones by the time of Luke Skywalker... which was good for Luke or else he'd have to explain why he was so much shorter than the other clones when he was disguised on the first Death Star.

I do think George didn't think the whole 'clone' thing through properly, or explain it well, in the movies. Although if we're going down that route, he didn't think anything out in the presequels properly.

Anyway, black stormtrooper? Sure, why not? How is this a 'controversy'?
 

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Phew! For a moment there I thought Matt Damon had Blacked Up for the role... just me then?...ok. Not a big fan of Star Wars myself, but I'm interested to see what Disney do with it. Given the huge amount of available material and potential stories in the Star Wars universe I can't help thinking that it would do better as a TV series, what with them being of such a high standard nowadays. Did I hear rumblings about a Star Wars TV spinoff recently?

Can't see a society that has expanded to the point where it includes many alien species as still being hung up on black and white or intraspecies racism... seems very unlikely when there are alien species for people to hate on.

I hope they do a spin-off about the storm trooper that hit his head. My theory is that he was very accident prone and, among other things, caused the deathstars destruction (Luke actually missed his shot). It could be slapstick comedy.