Star Wars Force Awakens Spoiler Filled discussion thread (no spoiler tags, you've been warned)

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Dazzle Novak said:
I'm confused. Are you done, not done, do you want replies? You're all over the place.

It's POSSIBLE that your insistence that discussions about the relative quality of characters in space-fantasy movies boil down into "winners and losers" is contributing to the hostile reception some of your posts are getting. Just a hunch, feel free to discard it angrily.

Austin Manning said:
I probably shouldn't stick my neck into this argument, but Dazzle is actually correct on this one. If we must use TvTropes for this discussion, then I'd suggest you look at the "Classical Anti-Hero" article which describes basically what Dazzle laid out in regards to the character Shinji Ikari from Neon Genesis Evangelion and mentions how the definition shifted to a "grittier" style of protagonist from there.
Fair enough. I will point out, however, that it is an extension of an ongoing discussion in which he summarized the character of Luke Skywalker through two films as "A loser" as a rebuttal to the assertion that Luke and Rey share similar heroic arcs.

As someone who was in here a couple of weeks ago arguing that Luke actually went to the dark side, a discussion that his character had more prominently ominous beats might have been fruitful. Alas, Dazzle is Very Angry At Me, and is still in hyperbole land.

Ah, he's going to read this and think I'm being a dick. I'm not besmirching you, Dazzle! You just seem really upset!
 

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Dazzle Novak said:
Don't pull the "You just seem so angry!" card as if you haven't been white knighting this movie like it's your cock-eyed, hunchbacked wife who's oh-so-beautiful. That's (wait for it...) GLIB and DISMISSIVE.
Ahahahaha oh good lord. Okay, I concede. You're clearly NOT being angry and hyperbolic. What was I thinking?

Dazzle Novak said:
I'll leave it (really leave it) at this: Luke gets jumped by one sandperson and knocked out. Rey gets jumped by three and not only does she bo-staff the fuck out of all three, she bo-staffs the person trying to help her out and the audience is asked to treat it like, "How dare he assume that person outnumbered 3-to-1 needs help! What a hero complex! Harrumph!"
That's how you perceive the audience is being treated, is it?

I'm taking you at your word this time! This is twice now you said you were done! I'm trusting you Dazzle!

PS - I think Rey at times got an overly clean hero edit in Force Awakens, with possibly one or two too many "success" beats. It's important that protagonists are show to be vulnerable and susceptible to harm, and they need to make sure they don't carry her over a line where she reads as infallible. Due to some of the mystery surrounding her origins childhood, it's also very difficult to determine just what we should reasonably expect from her in terms of Force sensitivity, which leads to speculation...some of which will naturally be negative in tone.

Overall though, I feel her heroic arc mirrors Luke's very closely. She shows many of the same aptitudes, although she doesn't echo his...we'll call them his "Vader-isms". Which makes sense, they don't want to just tell that identical story again. They've given her some manner of repressed memories/abandonment complex in its place. Like Finn, and most particularly like Poe, she's going to need extensive fleshing out in Episode VIII so she can graduate from "heroic archetype" to "fully textured character". As Force Awakens was an extremely busy/overstuffed film, there was no quiet time for character building.

I suspect I walked out of the theater with SOME of the same questions/concerns about Rey as you. We just went to very different places with them.

PPS - I'm leaving work now so if you want to break your word again like a scoundrel and yell at me some more about this space fantasy movie, this is quality window.
 

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BloatedGuppy said:
Like Kylo Ren recognizing Rey?
My wife thinks she's his younger sister (with Han and Leia splitting before Han knowing she was pregnant) or half-sister, and perhaps it was she being sent to train with Luke and precipitated Kylo's fall--like he was being replaced/upstaged by a new Solo.
 

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Honestly I really wanted to like this movie. I mean it's Star Wars for Pete's sake! But, I just wasn't really entranced by it and the more I thought about it after leaving the theatre, the less I actually liked it. Every major plot point in it is ripped wholesale from A New Hope, but done poorer. It's incredibly poorly written, with very little being done to give you a grasp of the stakes, the strengths and objectives of the factions, and of the individual people within them. It constantly breaks the rule of "Show don't tell" in regards to character development, with each scene feeling like it's saying "this will be covered in another movie, preorder your tickets now!". The result is that it makes so many moments of drama, tension and tragedy just fall flat on their face. The whole thing plays like someone pulled a bad New Hope fanfiction off the internet.

The thing is, when the movie tries to do something new it actually comes to life a little and you can see the potential a project like this had. That's the really tragic thing for me, there is a good movie here buried underneath all of the padding, pandering, and poor writing.

I will say this though, it made me go back and appreciate the great things in both the original trilogy and the prequels, because all of those movies are better than this one.
 

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BloatedGuppy said:
[...]about this space fantasy movie[...]
Come on now, let's not pretend you're not putting a fair amount of thought into it yourself.

Nothing wrong with that, of course!
 

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Saw it again today. All the issues I had with it are gone. I love it. I pity those who don't. It is every bit as good as the original trilogy and maybe better. Just my two cents, but I am a kid again.
 

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Silvanus said:
Come on now, let's not pretend you're not putting a fair amount of thought into it yourself.

Nothing wrong with that, of course!
Thought, yes. Anger, no.

It's one thing when people pop their tops and start flinging insults in one of the politically charged threads, there are deeply held beliefs being challenged and expressed. This is a movie. If someone doesn't share your opinion of a movie and your response to that is to bluster and accuse them of "white knighting", you've lost the plot.

All IMHO, of course.
 

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Just finished watching it and I must say, it was pretty damn awesome. Still like Episode III the best, but a solid runner-up. I like all the characters for the most part, fight scenes were good, and I liked the story.

But there is a big issue. Who the fuck are all of these factions. The First Order, The Resistance, and the Republic were given no backstory what so ever in this film. Why is the Rebellion still a thing when the god damn Republic exists? How did the First Order come to be? None of this is explained and from the sound of things I either have to read the books, and going by what I've seen of those I'd rather have my eyes plucked out, or read the wiki. I should never have to do that to understand stuff like this.

Oh, and Kylo Ren is nothing more than a whiny ***** who is a total creeper.
 

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Elfgore said:
Just finished watching it and I must say, it was pretty damn awesome. Still like Episode III the best, but a solid runner-up. I like all the characters for the most part, fight scenes were good, and I liked the story.

But there is a big issue. Who the fuck are all of these factions. The First Order, The Resistance, and the Republic were given no backstory what so ever in this film. Why is the Rebellion still a thing when the god damn Republic exists? How did the First Order come to be? None of this is explained and from the sound of things I either have to read the books, and going by what I've seen of those I'd rather have my eyes plucked out, or read the wiki. I should never have to do that to understand stuff like this.

Oh, and Kylo Ren is nothing more than a whiny ***** who is a total creeper.
Ironically, it needed more senate scenes.
 

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Ironically, it needed more senate scenes.
It also could have used more of the single greatest show stealer in the history of Star Wars.

 

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A couple of things I haven't seen mentioned (sorry if I missed them) and elaborations...
-A force of troopers lands on Jakku to find the missing map, their leader finds the person who had it, briefly and fruitlessly interrogates him, then unambiguously murders him. While this does mirror the Empire's "Kill everyone who might be able to provide you with information" approach from A New Hope, it isn't any less stupid now than it was then.

-We see a stormtrooper shot with a blaster collapse, then trail blood from his hand when Fin goes to help him. How does a blaster create wounds that bleed? Yes, Ren bled after Chewbacca shot him, but a bowcaster fires a physical bolt; that makes sense. You could say the trooper simply scraped their hand against a rock as they fell, but stormtroopers wear armored gloves; that doesn't work. I realize it was necessary to somehow visually distinguish Fin from the other troopers, and blood
always works for provoking a visceral reaction, but as someone who went in trying to enjoy the movie and not pick nits, it was kind of a glaring oversight (if, that is, you're the kind of person who notices that sort of thing).

-Starkiller base is the successor to the Death Star: a superweapon that will destroy the bulk of the enemy's ability to resist and reduce all other opposition to terrified submission. Again, the exact relationship of the Order to the Empire is unclear, but the only difference here is whether the base is seen as "the tool that will let us reclaim our proper glory, for we ARE the empire" or "the tool that will show we are greater than the empire ever was, for we have taken up its fallen flags and ideologies and supassed them"; it's almost as important as a symbol than as a military installation. With that in mind, the superlaser is not, flat out NOT, going to be referred to as "the weapon". "Begin charging the weapon". "The weapon will be ready to fire in thirty seconds". "Fire the weapon". We're not discussing secret plans, here; these are not the things you say when talking about the fully assembled and functional doomsday machine.

-So apparently TIE Fighters now have a rear turret, a seat for a second gunner, a hyperdrive (Fin's comments about needing to escape Jakku don't make much sense otherwise), environmental sealing, and carry missiles AND mag pulses as a standard loadout, but aren't any bigger than they were before? Note they're the same visual design, and they're still called "TIE Fighters"; the tech could've advanced in the intervening decades, but a revision that radical to a core design would've sent the
price through the roof- a rather odd choice, considering that Seinar's biggest customer would have, at the very least, undergone some big changes; it's woefully unclear what exactly the relationship of the First Order to the Empire is, which leads into my next point:

-The lack of worldbuilding is a big immersion-breaker. At least, it was for me, knowing a good bit about the world and its background. Apparently the New Republic and the Resistance are separate organizations, unless that's just First Order propaganda, but then why wouldn't the Republic fleet attack Starkiller base? Sure, they might not arrive in time to save the Resistance HQ, but if a number of their planets are wiped out by a superweapon, they're not going to stay uninvolved for long. And if they are uninvolved, why would the Order make such a blatantly provocative attack on someone they're not fighting yet before finishing the enemy they are? Okay, you may have destroyed their capital and thrown their administration into disarray, but "weapon that can destroy a planet" isn't exactly a new thing here; any organization is going to have multiple layers of redundancy to avoid collapse when facing that threat. Perhaps the Order doesn't see the Resistance as a real threat; understandable, given that they're fighting an enemmy capable of building a superlaser that fires a MIRVing projectile that's superluminal, but that you can see coming (try to figure that one out) into a planet, which they can somehow "aim" (good luck with that one, too) and the "everything we've got" sum total of their military force is 12 X-wings. Really, even a simple "this is all we have that can get there in time" throwaway line would've softened the stupidity of that. You've built (well, rebuilt, or modified, or whatever word you want to use) an interesting world here, Mister Abrams; one I find myself wanting to know more about- that's a good sign. And I realize you want to avoid weighing people down with exposition, but if you won't show us OR tell us about it, it won't feel real. But that's not the only problem that holding out on us gives:

-Why is the Order so concerned with hunting down Luke? Okay, a resurgent Jedi Order could be both a major military threat and a source of confusion when people refer to "the Order". But Luke's in self-imposed exile, and training even one Jedi takes years. Why not simply destroy the droid and let the Resistance waste time looking for Luke and trying to persuede him to return while you beat the Republic into submission? There could be legitimate reasons to not do so, but it's never even
suggested. Ren (and I do deeply appreciate that apparently Disney has realized you can, in fact, have a dark Jedi that doesn't have "Darth" in their name) doesn't seem to have the rank or diplomatic power that Vader did; why is this such a priority? Well...

-The electrotonfa trooper that Fin fights managed to hold his own against someone using a lightsaber. As nice as it was to see the troopers given some nonleathal weapons, what the heck was it made of? Cortosis? Why would you use something like that on a policing weapon? It dawned on me as I left the theater that perhaps the white weapon and blue-white saber blade had never actually made contact; that he'd simply been hitting the hilt, or Fin's hand or arm. But the trooper'd only do that if he'd been trained to fight Jedi- and why would you do that when there's only one Jedi, who's living in seclusion? I can buy "this guy is a seriously powerful potential opponent; we need to hunt him down before he trains more", but "the threat is so great that we need to train all our troops to deal with a potential attack that only comes from him"? That's pushing it.

-For that matter, Fin rejects the violent brutality of stormtrooping upon seeing what it actually entails- fair enough, I probably would too. But the speed and, dare I say it, glee with which he turns on and kills his former allies is more than a little disturbing. Remember, to him, these aren't faceless, identityless hordes; they're the people he grew up wih and trained alongside, and even if he can put that aside, he knows it could just as easily be him under one of those helmets.
Granted, they may be doing awful things, but he knows they're indoctrinated and brainwashed and still doesn't hesitate before slaughtering them wholesale. I found myself wondering, more than once, whether he wasn't actually some deep-cover mole, as much of a stormtrooper as ever.
 

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BloatedGuppy said:
Thought, yes. Anger, no.

It's one thing when people pop their tops and start flinging insults in one of the politically charged threads, there are deeply held beliefs being challenged and expressed. This is a movie. If someone doesn't share your opinion of a movie and your response to that is to bluster and accuse them of "white knighting", you've lost the plot.

All IMHO, of course.
Well, that seems fair.

Unless it's really a documentary, of course.
 

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Recusant said:
A force of troopers lands on Jakku to find the missing map, their leader finds the person who had it, briefly and fruitlessly interrogates him, then unambiguously murders him. While this does mirror the Empire's "Kill everyone who might be able to provide you with information" approach from A New Hope, it isn't any less stupid now than it was then.
Makes slightly more sense in Kylo Ren's case, given his apparent mental stability relative to Vader's (IE, not very).

Recusant said:
We see a stormtrooper shot with a blaster collapse, then trail blood from his hand when Fin goes to help him. How does a blaster create wounds that bleed?
I wasn't clear what wounded said trooper. It was brought up in one of the first reaction threads I read, and there was speculation the trooper could have been injured by shrapnel or a projectile weapon. I'll look more closely when I re-watch. Blasters should cauterize, yes?

Recusant said:
"Fire the weapon". We're not discussing secret plans, here; these are not the things you say when talking about the fully assembled and functional doomsday machine.
I think Hux and many others of the First Order view themselves as no-nonsense, but it's an amusing consideration.

Recusant said:
So apparently TIE Fighters now have a rear turret, a seat for a second gunner, a hyperdrive (Fin's comments about needing to escape Jakku don't make much sense otherwise), environmental sealing, and carry missiles AND mag pulses as a standard loadout, but aren't any bigger than they were before?
I've always wondered about this. I wondered about it in the OT as well, when Luke repeatedly uses his X-Wing for long cross-galactic purposes. Always felt like those small interceptor fighters wouldn't have the range.

Recusant said:
The lack of worldbuilding is a big immersion-breaker.
Yep. They did provide context OUTSIDE the film, but seemed very reluctant to get into it INSIDE the film. A misstep, in my opinion. There were two lengthy sequences mid-film (Han's smuggler ship and Maz's cantina) that felt a bit limp...either could and probably should have been truncated in favor of some quiet time and carefully written exposition. Give the characters an opportunity to bond and fill in some of the broad strokes, like The First Order being a relatively shadowy organization, or the resistance being Leia Organa's tiny personal army.

Recusant said:
Why is the Order so concerned with hunting down Luke?
It's a good question and one of the things I believe the filmmakers intended to keep us in the dark about. If Snoke is the puppetmaster behind the First Order, I guess we can assume the unhealthy obsession with the Jedi stems from him. Seems in keeping with how the Sith felt about the Jedi, although whether Snoke has any relation to the Sith isn't clear.

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The electrotonfa trooper that Fin fights managed to hold his own against someone using a lightsaber. As nice as it was to see the troopers given some nonleathal weapons, what the heck was it made of? Cortosis?
Yeah that part annoys me. We've never seen Cortosis in the films before, so you can't just casually toss it in there without at least ONE expository throw away line explaining its existence. And for the love of god, if you're going to give a Stormtrooper a shine moment, why wouldn't you give it to PHASMA. WHAT ELSE IS SHE THERE FOR. Other than to sell Captain Phasma toys, of course.

Recusant said:
For that matter, Fin rejects the violent brutality of stormtrooping upon seeing what it actually entails- fair enough, I probably would too. But the speed and, dare I say it, glee with which he turns on and kills his former allies is more than a little disturbing. Remember, to him, these aren't faceless, identityless hordes; they're the people he grew up wih and trained alongside, and even if he can put that aside, he knows it could just as easily be him under one of those helmets.
Yeah you're not the first one to bring this up. Feels like a casualty of the film's overstuffed nature, everything is forced to develop at a breakneck pace, from alignment shifts to friendships to Point A-B travel. It seems churlish to chide a Star Wars film of all things for moving too quickly, but the film really could have benefited from even another fifteen minutes (and slightly more judicious use of the time it DID have available) just to smooth some of that stuff out.
 

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BloatedGuppy said:
I always got the feeling his "training" was more preventative medicine. Like hey kid, you're a super hero. Here's how to not accidentally become a super villain. Not "Hang with us and we'll teach you telekinesis!".
This, and perhaps as a way to refine ones natural skills. To use a rather clumsy analogy, I am self taught when it comes to playing pool. My motor control is pretty good, I understand the basics behind the physics, as well as some fundamental strategy, but I could certainly see how having a professional teacher would make me even better. It certainly seemed like most of Luke's on screen training dealt with Ben and Yoda trying to teach him to not be impulsive and angry. The only 'technical' training I can think of off the top of my head was the blind folded lightsaber training in the Falcon where Ben is trying to teach him to 'feel with the Force'. Sure, maybe Yoda having him run through the jungle doing flips and stuff might count too, body conditioning etc, but that might be a stretch.

The only part of TFA I found cringe worthy was the exposition between Leia and Han. It felt so forced... just didn't like it. Everything else I felt was a pretty solid 'reboot' for lack of a better word.
 

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Jux said:
This, and perhaps as a way to refine ones natural skills. To use a rather clumsy analogy, I am self taught when it comes to playing pool. My motor control is pretty good, I understand the basics behind the physics, as well as some fundamental strategy, but I could certainly see how having a professional teacher would make me even better. It certainly seemed like most of Luke's on screen training dealt with Ben and Yoda trying to teach him to not be impulsive and angry. The only 'technical' training I can think of off the top of my head was the blind folded lightsaber training in the Falcon where Ben is trying to teach him to 'feel with the Force'. Sure, maybe Yoda having him run through the jungle doing flips and stuff might count too, body conditioning etc, but that might be a stretch.
I always felt like him running around with Yoda was so the audience had a touchstone for "training montage". Yoda never says anything like "Woeful your endurance is, fifty more laps" or "Practice your jabs, you must". Every word out of his mouth is about controlling and regulating motion, extinguishing doubt and fear, and about how the Force is a mystical power that transcends more mundane and earth bound concerns like physical size or strength. If you can reach out and touch the Force, you can do exceptional things, seems to be the message. Yoda expects Luke to IMMEDIATELY lift that ship out of the bog, and seems disappointed/disgusted when he doesn't. He's not like "First practice with small rocks, we shall, build up your Force muscles we must".

The whole concept of "Jedi Training" in the original film vs the prequel trilogies is wildly different. I have no idea what kind of training they get up to in the EU. Maybe they DO all go to "Jedi Hogwarts" and spend a bunch of time practicing flips and shit. If they do, well...that's stupid.

Jux said:
The only part of TFA I found cringe worthy was the exposition between Leia and Han. It felt so forced... just didn't like it. Everything else I felt was a pretty solid 'reboot' for lack of a better word.
The clunkiness of it is why I'm slightly forgiving of some of the galaxy-state expository information not being there. I don't know if there was a natural way to get them talking about the homicidal kid they had off-screen, but if there was, the script writers didn't find it.
 

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Just finished watching it and I must say, it was pretty damn awesome. Still like Episode III the best, but a solid runner-up. I like all the characters for the most part, fight scenes were good, and I liked the story.

But there is a big issue. Who the fuck are all of these factions. The First Order, The Resistance, and the Republic were given no backstory what so ever in this film. Why is the Rebellion still a thing when the god damn Republic exists? How did the First Order come to be? None of this is explained and from the sound of things I either have to read the books, and going by what I've seen of those I'd rather have my eyes plucked out, or read the wiki. I should never have to do that to understand stuff like this.

Oh, and Kylo Ren is nothing more than a whiny ***** who is a total creeper.
The confusing factions was my only issue with the movie, then I saw it again and love the way it was handled. Here is why: This movie had the balls to throw you into the deep end. You are jumping into a spot in time and have to figure it out. There is not a boring beginning like "trade routes in dispute." Yes, the rebels won, but somehow this Snoke projection managed to organize remnants from the rebellion into a facist army. The rebels set up a New Republic on a different planet who secretly funds the resistance. The movie could have explained all of this, but then it would have slowed down the awesome pace it maintains, and I wouldn't be thinking about all of this. It also makes me eagerly anticipate the next film. I have not had this level of anticipation since I learned who Luke's dad was. And for those who say that movies should not leave these things open, these aren't normal movies. They are not. This is Star Wars. And they just managed to make Star Wars fun again. Sure, people will be upset that the story is not how they wanted it to be, but due to the vague aspect of the back story, now we all get to discover it again.
 

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BloatedGuppy said:
The whole concept of "Jedi Training" in the original film vs the prequel trilogies is wildly different. I have no idea what kind of training they get up to in the EU. Maybe they DO all go to "Jedi Hogwarts" and spend a bunch of time practicing flips and shit. If they do, well...that's stupid.
Well, I don't really see how Yoda and Ben would have had the option to teach Luke the way kids were taught in the prequels (I refuse to use the word 'younglings'. I find that word so grating for some reason). Ben was basically trying to put him on a crash course for not turning to the dark side, with maybe a little technical training here and there. He had a little bit of Jinn in him with the 'bucking authority/conventional wisdom' imo, which is why he took Luke on in the first place. Yoda was more old guard, and straight up said 'he's too old/too much anger, he'll end up like vader', and pretty much just caved when he realized Luke was going to be a part of these events, so he might as well try to help him as best he could.

Post RotJ, in EU, I seem to remember the training for Jacen, Jaina, Tenel-ka and the others being somewhat less formal than we saw in the prequels. I think it was said that Luke realized the rigidity of the old institution was part of what led to the downfall of the Jedi, so he took on more of a boy scout leader role in training, as opposed to drill sarge.
 

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I think it was alright. I wasn't disappointed, but I wasn't blown away.

The best parts for me were with Han and Chewie.

I was talking with my brother after and really, the story is shit. There could have used some way better storylines rather than rehashing a new hope.

The movie is called the force awakens. Ok, so Snoke feels this awakening from ONE PERSON!!! I figured a bunch of people around the galaxy are finding they are developing some supernatural ability. Nope just some girl.
They should have had the resistance and the first order traveling around the galaxy recruiting these force awakened individuals. They would be building up to a big sith vs jedi fight in episode 9.
We thought it would have been better to use Phasma as some kind of bounty hunter/jedi hunter, so she could atleast have some screentime. She wasn't intimidating or anything, a very pointless character.

So the movie should have been Ren and Phasma going around at the command of Snoke, to bring back awakened people for dark side training. The resistance obviously would be trying to get these people first to prevent a sith army. Since Luke is gone, that is all they can do for now. Once they find him, they have to convince him to begin another school, and he reluctantly does so after seeing what Ren is capable of, and feels he must stop him, his previous student.

Also Finn was acted well, but the character itself was terrible. So an indoctrinated stormtrooper who should have no personality, becomes a comedic relief, hates killing yet instantly turns around and kills a bunch of troopers. lol. Also can use a lightsaber no prob despite no training, and so far no indication he can feel the force. Right.

I thought Rey was good. Good acting, solid performance. I don't know where they can go with her origins though, seems like they wouldn't make a lot of sense. Is she Luke's daughter? Why doesn't she know him, and why was she left on the planet? Is she Han's daughter? Why doesn't she know him, and why was she left on the planet? It seemed like they were building up to one of those. "The droid is with a girl" and Ren acts all concerned. Maybe he felt the force in her already. I think she is just a random girl with a force affinity, which is fine.
Also when Rey battled Ren for the lightsaber and won, was pretty rad. Then they played the lightside music :D

The use of the force was awesome as well. It really felt weighty. Ren seems like a really powerful force user, more like Palpatine, rather than a saber specialist.
 

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Recusant said:
-The lack of worldbuilding is a big immersion-breaker. At least, it was for me, knowing a good bit about the world and its background. Apparently the New Republic and the Resistance are separate organizations, unless that's just First Order propaganda, but then why wouldn't the Republic fleet attack Starkiller base?
http://www.vox.com/2015/12/21/10634568/star-wars-the-force-awakens-spoilers-republic-first-order

One possible explanation for this, hoping they clarify it in the next movie though.


BloatedGuppy said:
Yeah that part annoys me. We've never seen Cortosis in the films before, so you can't just casually toss it in there without at least ONE expository throw away line explaining its existence. And for the love of god, if you're going to give a Stormtrooper a shine moment, why wouldn't you give it to PHASMA. WHAT ELSE IS SHE THERE FOR. Other than to sell Captain Phasma toys, of course.
Could have been an electrostaff/phrik, which is canon in the prequels, at least according to the wookiepedia entry.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Electrostaff
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Phrik/Legends (listed as legends, but under 'appearances' Star Wars: Episode III Revenge of the Sith is clearly listed, so not sure what's up with that)