If they don't like the way the company works, then why even give money to them? Buy games off amazon or something instead of feeding something you hate while looking like a hypocrite at the same time.AndyFromMonday said:
Steam, banning players for being generous?
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What part of this surprises people? You circumvent a system and cost them money. You aren't allowed to sell Steam games, end of story. There's nothing "generous" about this, sure, it may seem generous of this guy to do it, but ultimately it should come as no surprise that what he's doing is wrong. No matter what people might think, there are reasons why the games are more expensive in Europe than in America. I don't agree with their "1 euro = 1 dollar" deal, but I simply cannot comprehend how ANYONE could be surprised that this guy would get the axe.
If he had simply gifted the games I would have wondered what was up, but selling games when it's been proven time and time again to be against the rules.. come on, people.
Also, VAC bans =/= Steam Ban. If your Steam acc. is banned, it's bye-bye games. VAC is just their secure servers. Simple enough.
If he had simply gifted the games I would have wondered what was up, but selling games when it's been proven time and time again to be against the rules.. come on, people.
Also, VAC bans =/= Steam Ban. If your Steam acc. is banned, it's bye-bye games. VAC is just their secure servers. Simple enough.
thisZer_ said:
you sign a contract every time you buy a game, It's not steams fault that he checked the box without reading it.
If you were doing it with a large number of people this equates to tax evasion. The difference in prices for the EU games are import taxes. Because Valve/Steam is American. Either they get mad at you, or both governments gets mad at them when tax season rolls around and they add up all the numbers.
Are you actually supporting a company that purposely cheats their customers?Blue_vision said:
There's import tax on digital data now? Are you serious?Antari said:
I've gifted cross-continent before, once or twice. I imagine it's just that he did so much of it at once that it set up a flag in the system. Steam was kind of dickish about the whole thing though, I agree. Dude was just being nice and trying to share games; they get their money either way, why ban the guy?
Yes, there are. It's there by law. Nobody can circumvent VAT taxes. Any attempts to do so can be considered tax evasion (which is what this user could have easily been providing to people).AndyFromMonday said:
Shit people, why are you all surprised by this? He was breaking the TOS and possibly breaking the law.
Yeah, the bolded part. Read. Comprehend before posting.
Antari said:
this.
unfortunately, its all numbers, and if you get caught going around the system, you will get squashed, end of story.
Of course, we can perfectly believe the OP (OoP) that he hadn't done anything else wrong...just like the autism kid and the 4 year old Smurfberry case.
Legally, he's broke the ToS, so they have a right to withdraw them as he's broken the contract.
Whether they're right to do that is a different matter, but they are fully allowed to do it.
Legally, he's broke the ToS, so they have a right to withdraw them as he's broken the contract.
Whether they're right to do that is a different matter, but they are fully allowed to do it.
Are you actually avoiding answering directly?AndyFromMonday said:
Again, if you don't like the business practice of a company, it generally doesn't make sense to continue to pay for their service, especially when other options exist.
This guy was liberating the poor European gamers from Steam's iron grip? Well, that's okay... so long as Valve's destroyed every electronics store in Europe, and blocked all other online games retailers. Otherwise, this guy's a hypocrite. "I don't like the business practices of this company, but I'll still pay them large sums of money to get my elsewhere easily acquired merchandise, but I'll just be snarky about it."
While this may first seem like Valve being complete dicks, you have got to look at what was happening in the grand scheme; European users were paying the American user, who then gifted the games to the European users. Who is to say that the American user couldn't (and didn't) lie to the European users and say that the games were more expensive then they actually were? The American user could have been profiting off of the European users through Steam, and I'm sure Valve doesn't want something like this to be happening behind-the-scenes.
No, I'm not. You asked me a question and I decided to answer your question with another question. And since you know I use Steam it should be pretty obvious I've only bought 2 games on there, Left 4 Dead 2 and Call of Duty 4. I have not been continuously supplying that company with money but that's besides the point. The point is, this business practice is deplorable and giving your attitude I'm going to assume you're American since you seem to not give a fuck about people who are affected by this.Blue_vision said:
That is complete and utter bullshit. It's a digital item with absolutely no manufacturing costs. I'm fairly sure VAT isn't added to that. That would be illegal, wouldn't it?Antari said:
Isnt there a reason theres a price change between regions? Like to try to set a specific value towards a product (games in this sense), and different currency is worth more or less than others.
But going back on topic, this seems to be more or less like a Loophole, and Valve do not like that. Like with the Halos on TF2.
I feel both parties are wrong in some sense.
But going back on topic, this seems to be more or less like a Loophole, and Valve do not like that. Like with the Halos on TF2.
I feel both parties are wrong in some sense.
Wrong. Having been banned myself, I assure you, you lose EVERYTHING.Gindil said:
OT: I say wtf at this. I have not seen any currency conversion where I live (non-US resident).
Then again... we use the American dollar down here, so I probably don't apply.
No sympathy here.
Reality check people, you don't shit where you play and when you've got a steam account with all your games and then TRY AND RIP OFF STEAM you deserve the righteous asskicking of bannhaaammmmaaarr.
Summary:
Idiot rips off steam, loses account, cries. Internet points and laughs.
Reality check people, you don't shit where you play and when you've got a steam account with all your games and then TRY AND RIP OFF STEAM you deserve the righteous asskicking of bannhaaammmmaaarr.
Summary:
Idiot rips off steam, loses account, cries. Internet points and laughs.
Because clearly I'm a soulless monster for thinking that people shouldn't let a company fuck with them.AndyFromMonday said:
Yeah, if I was European and had to pay more for games than Americans, or even just was pissed off at how Valve treated their customers, I'd find a new way to get my games. In fact, I already have other methods of getting games. Valve is nothing near a monopoly. It's not as though these customers had to buy from Valve to play games at all, far from it.
So if they're simply trying to cheat Valve's system, for whatever reason Valve's doing it, they don't have much of a moral ground to go on. It's like punching out a bouncer outside a club in an entertainment district, because he didn't let you in. But you're not even cheating them out of money, just giving them less money than they otherwise would have gotten. So not only do you have a poor sense of your options, you seem to have a problem with your frontal lobe too.
Valve are dicks and their allowing of publishers to set bullshit prices for what is FUCKING DATA is part of the reason they are such dicks. There is absolutely no reason that digital downloads should have such a ridiculous variation in pricing based on what region you live in, and yet there is. Case in point:
With that out of the road, this guy was engaging in something that is a little more than shady. Allowing people to accept money to buy a game from a different location will set up a gigantic mess later on with people adding an extra 10% onto the price so that they make some money from it, too. Which brings it back to the main point - Valve are dicks for having such radically different prices across different regions.
With that out of the road, this guy was engaging in something that is a little more than shady. Allowing people to accept money to buy a game from a different location will set up a gigantic mess later on with people adding an extra 10% onto the price so that they make some money from it, too. Which brings it back to the main point - Valve are dicks for having such radically different prices across different regions.
