If they don't like the way the company works, then why even give money to them? Buy games off amazon or something instead of feeding something you hate while looking like a hypocrite at the same time.AndyFromMonday said:What the fuck are you talking about? Valve was cheating the system in the first place by not adjusting the currency. They were essentially cheating European customers and when an American one decides to help them out Valve bans him.
It seems Valve isn't the paragon of virtue everyone though it was.
thisZer_ said:Maybe you should read a little further. The guy was circumventing Steam. He was receiving money through PayPal (in USD) so he can use that money and purchase games for Europeans. He wasn't really gifting them anything. Buying a game, and gifting overseas is perfectly fine (The Steam TOS says so). What this user was doing is against the terms of service.Gather said:http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/fk90z/steam_support_bans_my_account_for_gifting/
Can't help but pray and think it's a hoax but;
(Taken from the link)http://i.imgur.com/r6zVW.png
A little introduction. During the Christmas sales of 2010, I gifted many non-American users Steam games at the American prices (Steam prices in USD for most games is a lot cheaper than the EUR/GBP price). The non-US person Paypals me X USD (X = the price of the game in USD), and I gift them the game. I did with around 20 people or so. Everyone is happy; the non-US player saves money, and Valve/the publisher is still getting paid for the game. I guess Valve wasn't so happy, however...
Has this ever happened to anyone here who helped European gamers save some cash by gifting them the games for cheaper? I am mainly surprised since I see nothing about it in their ToS, etc. (though I may have missed it). Valve and the publishers are technically not losing anything. Based on my account being banned, do you think the prices are just raised for non-US "because they can"? If it was due to currency conversion, why would they ban me? Just some food for thought...
Are you actually supporting a company that purposely cheats their customers?Blue_vision said:If they don't like the way the company works, then why even give money to them? Buy games off amazon or something instead of feeding something you hate while looking like a hypocrite at the same time.AndyFromMonday said:What the fuck are you talking about? Valve was cheating the system in the first place by not adjusting the currency. They were essentially cheating European customers and when an American one decides to help them out Valve bans him.
It seems Valve isn't the paragon of virtue everyone though it was.
There's import tax on digital data now? Are you serious?Antari said:The difference in prices for the EU games are import taxes.
Yes, there are. It's there by law. Nobody can circumvent VAT taxes. Any attempts to do so can be considered tax evasion (which is what this user could have easily been providing to people).AndyFromMonday said:Are you actually supporting a company that purposely cheats their customers?Blue_vision said:If they don't like the way the company works, then why even give money to them? Buy games off amazon or something instead of feeding something you hate while looking like a hypocrite at the same time.AndyFromMonday said:What the fuck are you talking about? Valve was cheating the system in the first place by not adjusting the currency. They were essentially cheating European customers and when an American one decides to help them out Valve bans him.
It seems Valve isn't the paragon of virtue everyone though it was.
There's import tax on digital data now? Are you serious?Antari said:The difference in prices for the EU games are import taxes.
Yeah, the bolded part. Read. Comprehend before posting.A little introduction. During the Christmas sales of 2010, I gifted many non-American users Steam games at the American prices (Steam prices in USD for most games is a lot cheaper than the EUR/GBP price). The non-US person Paypals me X USD (X = the price of the game in USD), and I gift them the game. I did with around 20 people or so. Everyone is happy; the non-US player saves money, and Valve/the publisher is still getting paid for the game. I guess Valve wasn't so happy, however...
Antari said:If you were doing it with a large number of people this equates to tax evasion. The difference in prices for the EU games are import taxes. Because Valve/Steam is American. Either they get mad at you, or both governments gets mad at them when tax season rolls around and they add up all the numbers.
If its imported and they can tax it .. you can bet they will. But yes .. Digital Downloads are considered a physical item as far as the tax man is concerned.AndyFromMonday said:Are you actually supporting a company that purposely cheats their customers?Blue_vision said:If they don't like the way the company works, then why even give money to them? Buy games off amazon or something instead of feeding something you hate while looking like a hypocrite at the same time.AndyFromMonday said:What the fuck are you talking about? Valve was cheating the system in the first place by not adjusting the currency. They were essentially cheating European customers and when an American one decides to help them out Valve bans him.
It seems Valve isn't the paragon of virtue everyone though it was.
There's import tax on digital data now? Are you serious?Antari said:The difference in prices for the EU games are import taxes.
Are you actually avoiding answering directly?AndyFromMonday said:Are you actually supporting a company that purposely cheats their customers?
No, I'm not. You asked me a question and I decided to answer your question with another question. And since you know I use Steam it should be pretty obvious I've only bought 2 games on there, Left 4 Dead 2 and Call of Duty 4. I have not been continuously supplying that company with money but that's besides the point. The point is, this business practice is deplorable and giving your attitude I'm going to assume you're American since you seem to not give a fuck about people who are affected by this.Blue_vision said:Are you actually avoiding answering directlyAndyFromMonday said:Are you actually supporting a company that purposely cheats their customers?
That is complete and utter bullshit. It's a digital item with absolutely no manufacturing costs. I'm fairly sure VAT isn't added to that. That would be illegal, wouldn't it?Antari said:If its imported and they can tax it .. you can bet they will. But yes .. Digital Downloads are considered a physical item as far as the tax man is concerned.
Wrong. Having been banned myself, I assure you, you lose EVERYTHING.Gindil said:No. You just lose access to Steam secured servers.Bobic said:If your steam account gets banned do you lose access to all the games you bought for yourself?
AndyFromMonday said:The government makes the laws ... They make the taxes. I'm quite sure its legal for them to do it to us. Taxes are rarely designed to be fair to anyone but the people who made them.Blue_vision said:snip.AndyFromMonday said:snip
That is complete and utter bullshit. It's a digital item with absolutely no manufacturing costs. I'm fairly sure VAT isn't added to that. That would be illegal, wouldn't it?Antari said:If its imported and they can tax it .. you can bet they will. But yes .. Digital Downloads are considered a physical item as far as the tax man is concerned.