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Treblaine

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Waaghpowa said:
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Waaghpowa said:
Holy shit yes! One step closer to me ditching Windows! Now I just need DirectX to be supported natively on Linux and I can tell Windblows to take a hike!
Its a nice thought, but directx will never be on anything else but microsoft products seeing as they develope it.
But the hope, as Tito mentioned, is that developers will start developing games for linux as well. Now that steam is going to be available for linux, that's 2 out of 3 OS's that support OpenGL. Even though Microsoft has the majority market share, there's more incentive to develop with OpenGL to cover as many platforms as possible since all 3 support it.

Here's to hoping.
If every source game is Linux supported, that is going to be a great start for anyone getting INTO PC gaming as that shaves off around $100 from any new PC build, not having to buy a (legit) microsoft operating system copy.

Hell, that may force microsoft to sell their OS at a lower price as it is no longer the "only OS in town for serious PC gaming". sorry, but linux support has fallent critically low in recent years, particularly with id software's lack of support.

To say you have:
-Team Fortress 2
-Left 4 Dead 2
-Portal series
-Half Life series

Is a HELL of a good start on any gaming PC. Adds to the current Linux roster considerably:
-QuakeLive
-Unreal Tournament 2004
-Nexuiz
-QuakeWorld
-Amnesia: Dark Descent
-Cube 2: Sauerbraten
(well, those are what I consider the highlights see a mosre comprehensive list here: http://www.penguspy.com/#/All/free_and_commercial/open_closed/sort=3/view=1/limit=0)

At the very least a new PC build can just have a Linux boot for the time-being and when the person has the money they can install a Microsoft boot. But it would have to have some serious offerings. You could honestly say you are a Linux gamer and not be missing out on too much.
 

Lucem712

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Man, this is great news! I don't even really care if it's in 'Valve' time, as long as it's a rock solid client. I look forward to the day when I'll no longer have to use WINE, even if it is a remarkable little program.
 

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definitely agree with gabe Windows 8 SUCKS! From a technical point of view, it looks flimsy, unreliable; it doesn't look like it's a great release. it looks worse than the transition from XP to Vista-Looks better(not really) but probably has bugs. Not ever switching to windows 8. not if they pay ME.
 

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medv4380 said:
Maybe my PC gaming will finally get out of Wine and Minecraft
Do we know if it will support 64-bit binaries?
Well, it IS 2012... not 1996. They bloody well should.

As far as I know the only reason 32 bit is so common is because Microsoft operating systems have stuck to it for so long. WHY? I don't know. Anyway, almost every chipset made in the past half decade has been 64-bit compliant and on the system memory front we have most definitely hit that wall (4096 MiB of memory addresses) I'd be really surprised if 64 bit wasn't comprehensively supported.
 

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If this gathers enough steam I might swap to Linux permanently. Bad pun not intended.
 

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Steve the Pocket said:
Oh joy, another operating system to "support" by releasing about half their games and a buggy-as-hell client and then never touching it again. Seriously, I'm not holding out much hope that this will do anything worthwhile other than siphon off more employees who ought to be working on improving their existing products instead.
I'm pretty sure this won't be so bad after all. Nobody believed Steam would come to Mac OS X, but here we are 2 years later, with 245 games that run on OS X through Steam. Also, since all OS X games use OpenGL, all those games can be ported to Linux without much hassle. In addition, most of the Humble Indie Bundle and other indie games are released for Linux as well. And one final point, since they are hiring people specifically to do the work on the Linux port, it means they're not taking away any other developers from their work. I've used Steam on my gf's mac, and it worked fine, all updates are released for both platforms as well, how will it be any different with Linux?
 

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My initial reaction;

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! GET IN!

Soon I may never have to boot into windows to play games. Which is my only gripe with having linux as my main OS.

Fayathon said:
If this gathers enough steam I might swap to Linux permanently. Bad pun not intended.
I see what you did there.
 

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There is no end to the happiness this has brought me.
Oh sweet sweet glorious happiness.
As if I needed another reason to love Valve. Sure, they may have really long dev times for their projects, but when they deliver, they really do deliver.
 

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Akisa said:
Wait Paul has moved on to install Linux on steam? THE MADNESS! Now I'm hungry for perogies for some reason. To the Microwave!
And now Graham will be able to run Steam (on himself).
 

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Akisa said:
Wait Paul has moved on to install Linux on steam? THE MADNESS! Now I'm hungry for perogies for some reason. To the Microwave!
I have Linux installed on my toaster, I can't wait to play TF2 on that!
 

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Treblaine said:
medv4380 said:
Maybe my PC gaming will finally get out of Wine and Minecraft
Do we know if it will support 64-bit binaries?
Well, it IS 2012... not 1996. They bloody well should.

As far as I know the only reason 32 bit is so common is because Microsoft operating systems have stuck to it for so long. WHY? I don't know. Anyway, almost every chipset made in the past half decade has been 64-bit compliant and on the system memory front we have most definitely hit that wall (4096 MiB of memory addresses) I'd be really surprised if 64 bit wasn't comprehensively supported.
Actually there is another reason. A lot of programmers who use C and C++ use Pointer Arithmetic, and in a lot of code instead of using a 64bit int (long) they cast it into a 32 bit int. As long as they don't have over 2 gigs that works. If they have 4 gigs hopefully they used an Unsigned 32 bit int, and anything over 4 gigs will break. That's actually what caused Skyrim to crash to the desktop whenever it hit the 2 gig limit, and their fix was enabling up to 4 gigs with the unsigned int.
 

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living_brain said:
definitely agree with gabe Windows 8 SUCKS! From a technical point of view, it looks flimsy, unreliable; it doesn't look like it's a great release. it looks worse than the transition from XP to Vista-Looks better(not really) but probably has bugs. Not ever switching to windows 8. not if they pay ME.
"Then you will die" - The Emperor

People said that about Vista
 

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I am so excited!!!! I been hoping that Valve would convert their games to linux, gaming was the one of the few reasons, I still have windows 7
 

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Aenir said:
Akisa said:
Wait Paul has moved on to install Linux on steam? THE MADNESS! Now I'm hungry for perogies for some reason. To the Microwave!
And now Graham will be able to run Steam (on himself).
I hate you so much now, it hurts when I laugh at the moment, and I been laughing for like forever.
 

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This. Is. Huge.

This possibly could lead to the biggest shift in PC gaming since devs mainly stopped supporting MacOS back in the mid to late 90's. Except this is expanding. This is evolution. The brilliant possibility here is that game developers could end up contributing to the operating system they are building games for because they have access to the source code to sort out issues they run into. A game industry on Linux could earn millions of dollars for the open source movement to continue expanding and improving products.

They only problem I see is OpenGL is rather far behind DirectX. It has been playing catchup for years now. Hopefully a larger market will help OpenGL improve faster.

This may cause me to switch operating systems in the long run.
 

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Bhaalspawn said:
Now two thirds of the PC market can get robbed of all their cash :D
What would that last third be? OSX has had Steam for quite a while now.
 

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medv4380 said:
Treblaine said:
medv4380 said:
Maybe my PC gaming will finally get out of Wine and Minecraft
Do we know if it will support 64-bit binaries?
Well, it IS 2012... not 1996. They bloody well should.

As far as I know the only reason 32 bit is so common is because Microsoft operating systems have stuck to it for so long. WHY? I don't know. Anyway, almost every chipset made in the past half decade has been 64-bit compliant and on the system memory front we have most definitely hit that wall (4096 MiB of memory addresses) I'd be really surprised if 64 bit wasn't comprehensively supported.
Actually there is another reason. A lot of programmers who use C and C++ use Pointer Arithmetic, and in a lot of code instead of using a 64bit int (long) they cast it into a 32 bit int. As long as they don't have over 2 gigs that works. If they have 4 gigs hopefully they used an Unsigned 32 bit int, and anything over 4 gigs will break. That's actually what caused Skyrim to crash to the desktop whenever it hit the 2 gig limit, and their fix was enabling up to 4 gigs with the unsigned int.
Thanks, I wasn't aware of that, but that is just coding a game in 32-bit. That 32 bit program can still run fine in a 64-bit operating system (on 64bit hardware of course) and interacting with other 64-bit programs like Steam Client.

i.e. there is no reason Steam on Linux shouldn't fully support and encourage 64 bit processing? Would skyrim have to run within some sort of 64->32 bit emulation? Other than it being remade for Open GL
 

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Evil Smurf said:
living_brain said:
definitely agree with gabe Windows 8 SUCKS! From a technical point of view, it looks flimsy, unreliable; it doesn't look like it's a great release. it looks worse than the transition from XP to Vista-Looks better(not really) but probably has bugs. Not ever switching to windows 8. not if they pay ME.
"Then you will die" - The Emperor

People said that about Vista
But Vista was a commercial failure because so many people hated it. Even this late in the game XP has a significant market share. I believe Win7/8 will mirror XP/Vista, at least when it comes to core gaming/business desktops and laptops. Even when it comes to tablets Apple and Android have a comanding lead and they both work well enough with windows for there to be a compatability issue, even for corporate clients.
 

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Honestly, I don't see this having any significant impact on the "future of computing" for two reasons:

1. Developing for wide-distribution across different linux distributions is a complete pain in the butt - I know, I've done it - because by their very nature, different linux distros have different things in them. Yes, you could only support certain distros or go for a lowest common denominator, but then you're not really seeing the full benefits of trying to "go linux", methinks. Thus, I think many developers simply wouldn't bother - especially imagine the support calls! Most technical support departments don't even understand how windows works, so good luck getting any help when the game crashes with a random error on your linux box! Evidence: All Introversion games are released with Linux versions, and I have never once managed to get them to run on any of my Linux boxes, and I wasn't even using obscure distros.

2. Different OSes are good for different things and different people.
Linux is an amazing OS, incrediably flexible and powerful, and the sheer level of control that it places on the user is astounding - you can do pretty much anything you want to it, and this is reflected in the quantity of different distros, or make your own! But, this has a drawback: Average PC users are thick. They like Windows because it is familiar, and it tends not to explode too often. Mac users are often an extension of this, Macs are completely locked down: consequently there is no real ability to tinker like in Linux or to a lesser extent Windows, but this also means the less tech-savvy are physically prevented from mucking it up. I guarentee you that if you put most average PC users (even gamers!) infront of a linux box, they'll find a way to screw it up. Again, I am basing this on experience. I had a very nice box running Ubuntu 6.06 (some time ago now), and then I went away for a bit. My father needed a computer temporarily, so I said he could use it and gave him the passwords. When I came back, he'd completely bricked it - he tried to install Windows 95 on it because he couldn't fathom this "linux" thing.
Linux - Techies and Servers. Windows - Average PC users. Mac - Artists and people with too much money.

Now, don't get me wrong, I love Linux, I use it most every day. But I also use Windows, and I love it to. As I see it, they both have their strengths, and I wouldn't want it any other way. I don't -want- a Linux desktop because in my experience, that's simply not what they're good at. Windows is, but as a server system it is rubbish because it's far too locked down and vulnerable.

P.S. Regards the debate on Windows 8, no, I'm not particularly looking forward to it either. They're trying to kill two birds with one stone but will fail to capture either; they need to offer something absolutely amazing to have any impact in the tablet market, which they inveitably won't, and the "Metro" screen will completely ruin the experience on ordinary PCs - and that's even if you DO happen to have a touchscreen hooked up to your PC or Laptop. Chances are you won't, and it'll just be awful. I don't mind them trying to capture tablet market share if they want, but for God's sake leave the "classic" start menu as an option, or I will never, ever buy Windows 8. Period. I would probably even go so far as to wipe it off a new computer and install Windows 7 in it's place if "Metro" couldn't be disabled.

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