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SpAc3man

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Treblaine said:
Would skyrim have to run within some sort of 64->32 bit emulation? Other than it being remade for Open GL
Skyrim already has an OpenGL version running on the PS3 so I would imagine they wouldn't have to do much there.
 

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STEAM supporting Linux;

About Time [http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=YT2A2Ltwly4#t=397s]
 

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Umm, just one problem. Phoronix is the same site that reported this last time, when VALV[sup]E[/sup] flat out denied it. Just because they say "okay, we're serious this time" doesn't mean they should be trusted as a source.

If it turns out to be true, I'll be that much happier for it, and might finally switch to Linux (depending on if graphics card manufacturers get their act together in terms of Linux drivers), but for now I don't believe these guys.

P.S. Thanks
 

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SpAc3man said:
Treblaine said:
Would skyrim have to run within some sort of 64->32 bit emulation? Other than it being remade for Open GL
Skyrim already has an OpenGL version running on the PS3 so I would imagine they wouldn't have to do much there.
Wasn't the PS3 version of Skyrim the derpy version? Or was that more down to the PS3's specific hardware design issues, like how there is only 256MB of system memory, pitifully small for 2012 where 4GB of dedicated system memory is almost ubiquitous on PC, 16x as much memory.

But interesting none-the-less. If open-GL versions are made for every game that gets a PS3 release, then it's no huge leap to also release a Linux version as well. There are already 533 Mac games on Steam store (UK), I imagine most of them could easily be ported from there to Linux.

Interesting times. This is the shot in the arm that Linux needs, we all wanted it to succeed, now it has the chance. The plucky underdog, not controlled by a corporation with conflicts-of-interest.
 

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Treblaine said:
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Thanks, I wasn't aware of that, but that is just coding a game in 32-bit. That 32 bit program can still run fine in a 64-bit operating system (on 64bit hardware of course) and interacting with other 64-bit programs like Steam Client.

i.e. there is no reason Steam on Linux shouldn't fully support and encourage 64 bit processing? Would skyrim have to run within some sort of 64->32 bit emulation? Other than it being remade for Open GL
A 32 bit app should still run on the 64 bit hardware as long as the 32bit libraries are installed. If programmers would just stop casting the pointers into 32bits when they should be 64 bits then from the programming side it's a single line change in the compiler and it'll output a 64 bit binary.

Talking between 32bit and 64bit apps can be an issue though. As an example, if I were to write some Native code in 32 bit and use it in Java I would need 32bit Java if I use 64bit Java when it goes to the 32bit code it will error out and demand 64bit version of the native code. The reason is the code needed to make 32 bit and 64 bit talk on the same system is a little tricky and can slow down the application, and be a mess to maintain. The developers of Java decided to avoid the issue entirely.

Personally, I'd prefer 64bit since most of the new and improved architecture is built around the 64bit code, and I always feel a little cheated when I have to use a lot of 32bit apps and games on my 64bit Quad with 8 gigs of Ram.
 

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YAY!!!! You have NO IDEA how long I have waited to hear this.... I have wanted to abandon windows for the longest time, but what kept me tethered was my beloved gaming pass time. Now if steam goes to LINUX and my library carries over, So will I. I will leave Microsoft in the dust, I mean I will probably keep a dual boot with Win 7 just on the off chance that I need it for something. But I just about screamed when I read the title of this thread.
 

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Agayek said:
Greg Tito said:
Crap, I might just convert to running Ubuntu myself. [http://www.ubuntu.com/]
Arch Linux or Mandriva or bust IMO.
Debian I say. Although if they DO start developing games for linux, they would probably use Ubuntu because of its "User friendliness", but what do I know? [sub]No seriously, I don't know[/sub]
 

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I'm sorry to be such a dummy, but I just took the Unbuntu tour, and it looked amazing. Is it really that simple to get a new free OS? Or does Linux mean lots of coding and technical areas that I have to be trained in? I just built a new desktop (First time, no explosions!) and I was debating buying a new copy of Win 7 Ultimate, but this looks great!

So can anyone with experience guide me here? I didn't see any signs saying "Not for dummies, must understand A+ and other types of code, or your computer will explode".
 

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"Perhaps Gabe should just create his own Steam OS. A gaming OS designed specifically for web browsing and gaming... Hell yes please!" - quote from facebook

Anyone think that just maybe this is what the "steam box" actually will end up being. A STEAM Linux distro, I mean I can't think of anything cooler. Okay maybe this:

 

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Treblaine said:
Wasn't the PS3 version of Skyrim the derpy version? Or was that more down to the PS3's specific hardware design issues, like how there is only 256MB of system memory, pitifully small for 2012 where 4GB of dedicated system memory is almost ubiquitous on PC, 16x as much memory.

But interesting none-the-less. If open-GL versions are made for every game that gets a PS3 release, then it's no huge leap to also release a Linux version as well. There are already 533 Mac games on Steam store (UK), I imagine most of them could easily be ported from there to Linux.
I'm pretty sure it was down to memory limitations. Skyrim worked in a way where it loaded any changes made by the player (stored on the save file) into memory. The PS3 has two lots of 256MB with one dedicated to graphics. The 360 has 512MB shared over system and graphics. Both had issues but I think PS3 might have been affected slightly more. Don't take that as absolute truth. Both suffered the same memory issue but I don't have hard evidence suggesting one was worse.

OSX is a Unix-like OS. In my experience in writing C/C++ on Linux I have definitely found it easier to go between Linux and OSX rather than Windows and Linux. Mostly due to the fact Windows uses a different indicator to signal a new line in plain text (source code) where Linux and OSX use the same system. All my Linux written source code appears as one line when opened in Windows.
 

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It is pretty simple to install but you'll want to make sure your motherboard supports booting from usb and that your wireless card is supported(the reason I am not currently running it). If you use a hardwire for internet you shouldn't have a problem. Also i would recommend keeping a separate working pc to help look up any problems you run into. You don't need to code anything but you probablly will need to use a few console commands.
 

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Waaghpowa said:
Debian I say. Although if they DO start developing games for linux, they would probably use Ubuntu because of its "User friendliness", but what do I know? [sub]No seriously, I don't know[/sub]
Oh almost certainly. Ubuntu is "Baby's First Linux" after all. Doesn't mean I can't dream :p
 

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Bradeck said:
I'm sorry to be such a dummy, but I just took the Unbuntu tour, and it looked amazing. Is it really that simple to get a new free OS? Or does Linux mean lots of coding and technical areas that I have to be trained in? I just built a new desktop (First time, no explosions!) and I was debating buying a new copy of Win 7 Ultimate, but this looks great!

So can anyone with experience guide me here? I didn't see any signs saying "Not for dummies, must understand A+ and other types of code, or your computer will explode".
Ubuntu is, as the above post says, "babies first linux". For the most part it's fairly simple. You MIGHT run into issues installing drivers. I just installed Nvidia drivers on my Ubuntu partition, not by downloading and installing it like normal, but using the command terminal to get the files and installing them directly.

The great thing is that there's a huge community for linux in generall, meaning if you have an issue, a quick google search will give you a step by step to solving the issue.
 

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Waaghpowa said:
Bradeck said:
I'm sorry to be such a dummy, but I just took the Unbuntu tour, and it looked amazing. Is it really that simple to get a new free OS? Or does Linux mean lots of coding and technical areas that I have to be trained in? I just built a new desktop (First time, no explosions!) and I was debating buying a new copy of Win 7 Ultimate, but this looks great!

So can anyone with experience guide me here? I didn't see any signs saying "Not for dummies, must understand A+ and other types of code, or your computer will explode".
Ubuntu is, as the above post says, "babies first linux". For the most part it's fairly simple. You MIGHT run into issues installing drivers. I just installed Nvidia drivers on my Ubuntu partition, not by downloading and installing it like normal, but using the command terminal to get the files and installing them directly.

The great thing is that there's a huge community for linux in generall, meaning if you have an issue, a quick google search will give you a step by step to solving the issue.
Thanks for the advice, greatly appreciated! But what about coding, do I need to know any? Because I grew up on DOS, but aside from /CD I don't remember crap.

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Oh joy, another operating system to "support" by releasing about half their games and a buggy-as-hell client and then never touching it again. Seriously, I'm not holding out much hope that this will do anything worthwhile other than siphon off more employees who ought to be working on improving their existing products instead.
I'm pretty sure this won't be so bad after all. Nobody believed Steam would come to Mac OS X, but here we are 2 years later, with 245 games that run on OS X through Steam. Also, since all OS X games use OpenGL, all those games can be ported to Linux without much hassle. In addition, most of the Humble Indie Bundle and other indie games are released for Linux as well. And one final point, since they are hiring people specifically to do the work on the Linux port, it means they're not taking away any other developers from their work. I've used Steam on my gf's mac, and it worked fine, all updates are released for both platforms as well, how will it be any different with Linux?
While having other game developers release Mac ports on Steam is great, actual involvement from Valve pretty much stopped after the first few months. Like I said, half their own game library has never been ported over, and the client is still incredibly unstable for a lot of people, if the Steam forums are any indication. Also, apparently the one and only person they had working on developing the client for the Mac doesn't even work there anymore. Add to that the fact that they've never released any way to port mods over and the fact that every single AAA title that got a native-binary port on Steam has awful performance, worse than the half-emulated half-ports that companies like Asypr and Feral crank out.

And to top it all off, they still haven't made the Mac version of Doom III or Unreal Tournament 2004 available! The two AAA games on Steam that already had native Mac versions, and you can't actually get them on Steam.
 

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I seriously hope I read that right.
Because if it's happening, I've got more reason to switch to Luinx.
 

Waaghpowa

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Bradeck said:
Thanks for the advice, greatly appreciated! But what about coding, do I need to know any? Because I grew up on DOS, but aside from /CD I don't remember crap.

Captcha: White as snow (Captchas are racist!)
It wouldn't hurt to know a little Unix, in fact cd is the directory command in Unix as well, but you could get away with not knowing anything when it comes to Ubuntu. My dad is in his mid 60's, has literally no programming skills and still uses Ubuntu. Like I said, if you have a problem, chances are there is a step by step with what commands to enter in the console, if you have to use it at all.