TheFPSisDead said:
Actually playing through Mass Effect 2 right now. Just got to the Legion part and he refers to Seren/Soverign's Geth as Heretics. So the Geth are a religious entity.soren7550 said:
Study Says Videogames "Problematize" Religion as Violent
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So the Bible stating that Adam and Eve are THE FIRST humans created and doesn't mention God making any other humans automatically means that God didn't make any other humans after Adam and Eve?Treblaine said:
You have to take Religion with a HUGE bag of salt 90% of the time but you also have to put some thought behind what some things in the bible state.
No atheist suggests that they KNOW there is no God. This is a very annoying misconception. Any self-proclaimed atheist that claims otherwise is only being hyperbolic for effect, in the same way that you would tell someone that you "know" that Santa doesn't exist, which you certainly don't know with complete certainty.Blind Sight said:
We only suggest that, since we "understand all this, even despite there still being plenty left to understand," having no evidence of god(s) thus far, it'd be wrong to suggest their existence when we've got a billion theories of our own that explain things just fine.
Especially since any perceived "evidence" for a god could just as easily be some law of nature we haven't grasped yet...It's all semantics. Anything outside our measurable universe is, by practical definition, outside of reality and thus illogical to speculate on. Everything in our own universe has, essentially without exception, followed pretty damn specific rules.
If someone tried to seriously argue that we live in the Matrix, and, when asked to provide evidence, only provides something like, "well you don't know everything yet! You can't say that we won't find evidence one day, ergo I have an equal logical footing as you!" you would be right to think him illogical.
The problem with grouping atheist is saying they lack a belief in a god. In other words im being compared to ruthless murders because i lack a belief in a god. So because a lot of people in the world, christians included don't worship zeus and im pretty certain stalin didn't worship zeus. So then all the nonbelievers of zeus are responsible for more murders than the worshippers of zeus. You see the problem with these articles?Jegsimmons said:
When people say christians are responsible for alot of atrocities through out history. We are pointing out a group of people who follow the same book and deity have had people within said group commit murders and genocide thinking their deity gave them permission to do so.
You see the difference here?
People who claim to follow the bible are just opening themselves to be compared to others who follow said text. Two guys join the kkk so they can run around dressed like ghosts are going to be compared to the group they joined whether or not they have all the same ideals.
Me and a lot of other atheists don't follow texts or any guidelines and thus have no way to be grouped like you christians.
Religion for centuries has been violent. When the catholic church had a major power in the world, people were tortured for having different views. Crusades and witch hunts were all the rave back then. Even now people are persecuted because of religious differences across the world. Though if people would just stick to their teachings through just about any religion and not be nick picky about their religious teachings, then there wouldn't be as much violence. Do video games "Problematize" religion, I won't get into it that much, but they do bring to light of what happens when those who are ignorant of religion try to push it.
Wow, well that's oversimplified to hell. It's not just "one religion causes a bunch of problems", while it does, in most games it's good side is also shown off, and it's never black or white "religion is violent" or "religion is peaceful"
Why do people still believe that religion causes violence? Humans cause violence because of our natural tendency to form groups and our greed. Those who are not within the groups are the enemies, and when the enemy has something a group wants, fighting breaks out. It just so happens that religion is often one of those groups that gets formed, but it's at least as often nationality or ethnicity or pretty much anything. Nobody has ever fought a war because the enemies had a different religion; they fought because the enemy, who happened to be defined on that occasion by a different religion, had something they wanted. Even the Crusades, which were divided among religious lines, were really fought because both groups wanted territory. That specific battle might not have happened without religion, but it just would have been replaced with a different one. If anyone remembers the South Park episodes "Go God Go", it works pretty much like that in real life. So can people stop with the religion bashing already? I know it's popular, but it's a terrible argument and I cringe every time I hear people repeat this nonsense without looking further into the matter. Disclosure: I am not a member of any organized religion.
One could reference the extreme devotion to the Reapers as religion, especially considering they are referred to as "gods" at several points.soren7550 said:
Also, Samara is a champ. Don't dis her.
Eh, in all of these examples, what I see associated with violence is extremism, which actually is associated with violence. Religion itself isn't presented as inherently bad, except when presented in an extreme form.Andy Chalk said:
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Are you admitting to trolling?Kimarous said:
No one is arguing semantics on Adam and Eve, the bible's depictions of the origin of humanity explicitly and fundamentally contradicts the proven and tested scientific discovery of evolution.
Of course it doesn't fit. This unscrupulously changes the definition of "day" because god hadn't made day and night yet, so the earth formed when it wasn't rotating? Why should I have to rebut such ridiculous claims. Actually I don't. The onus is on you and your website has FAILED in that regard.
In fact your "proof" of age-day genesis is a clear example of creationism, it tries to state that God CREATED the Earth and the universe, the only variation is unscrupulous fiddling of time-scales to somehow state the bible was accurate.
Good sir, you are a gentleman and a scholar.RaNDM G said:
Plus, as the guy said, religion has been responsible for a lot of violence and violence over the years. It's not a lot of a stretch to make your villains religious and evil. Plus, evil religions can be written rather well at times.
The bible said mankind were created from Adam and Eve. That in itself is nonsense and contradicts the archaeological record of ape-like creatures gradual evolution into modern humans.Krion_Vark said:
Sorry, grain of salt or bag of salt, there is no excusing how the Bible is full of false claims, as has been proven by science. The bible's word has about as much weight as Aesop's Fables and other stories.
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure religion does a pretty good job as portraying religion as violent. Video games haven't ever started a war. Yet...
I would be a bit concerned if this conversation hadn't gotten this far, but I just want to throw in my two-bits:
Someone didn't read his Old Testament.
Someone didn't read his Old Testament.
Funny how everyone is saying that religion is responsible for most of the violence in the World (This is true), but weren't Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot (to name a few) all atheists? Weren't they all responsible for millions of deaths? It's not just that they were atheists, but they all followed the doctrine of communism, which has significant elements of atheism in it.
Did World War 1 or 2 (Which both killed far, far more than all religious wars combined) have anything to do with religion?
Ah well, don't mind me. I've probably stirred up a shitstorm anyway.
Did World War 1 or 2 (Which both killed far, far more than all religious wars combined) have anything to do with religion?
Ah well, don't mind me. I've probably stirred up a shitstorm anyway.
You said yourself that you haven't read the bible, so you cannot accurately denounce everything as lies.Treblaine said:
You also apparently failed to read the article, since THE ORIGINAL HEBREW WORD has three different meanings: morning-through-evening, a full 24 hours, and an indeterminate amount of time. Most English translations simply say "day" for simplicity's sake. Which context of the word is correct? Who can say for sure? All I can say is that you automatically asserting "it HAS to be a 24 hour day, therefore you think like shit" just makes YOU sound like a troll.
But I digress; what does your constant ranting about "whys Christianity is wrong (in your narrow-minded eyes)" have to do with "why religion as a whole shouldn't be portrayed positively at all"?
Come on, Greg Perreault. Books have been doing this for ever, since the first of the Old Wizards used their magicks to create A4 lined paper and those neat clicky pens from Smiggle. I'll bet plenty of cave paintings depicted that religious violence, as well.