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What perspective is there to have? If those things that the gay community have "suffered" through means that nobody else can be proud of who they are online then they too must look upon their own community and chastise for their own actions as well.
OK: who is actually preventing you from feeling "proud of who you are"?

Is it some occasional (non-serious) rando comment on the internet? Because in all honesty, I don't think that holds very much sway over your life. I don't really give a shit about it, and I don't think you do either; it's small potatoes.

"Perspective", in this instance, is recognising that the suffering you're put through by occasional rando comments on the internet doesn't compare to disownment, violence, decades of stigma, conversion therapy, or legal discrimination.
 

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No, it means that history matters, and straight people verbally attacking gay people holds a different weight than gay people verbally attacking straight people.
Two wrongs don't make a right though. Someone being unjust to you, does not mean you have the right to be unjust to them.
 
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Two wrongs don't make a right though. Someone being unjust to you, does not mean you have the right to be unjust to them.
Heard that saying a lot in school. Usually while getting suspended for fights I didn't start.

But hey, we're back to "sure laws are getting passed that's making life bad for the whole LGBT spectrum across the board in more than a few places, but somebody on Twitter hurt my feelings so who's to say who's wrong".

That's great.
 

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That vastly depends on your perspective and life experience.
I don't think it does. Your life experience and perspective only skews the line in what you think is okay or not. The principle remains regardless.

But hey, we're back to "sure laws are getting passed that's making life bad for the whole LGBT spectrum across the board in more than a few places, but somebody on Twitter hurt my feelings so who's to say who's wrong".
What about "These people on Tik Tok are doing something I don't like, they are huge pieces of shit reeee"?
 

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What about "These people on Tik Tok are doing something I don't like, they are huge pieces of shit reeee"?
Well, the 4chan nazis got involved, designed a flag using pornhub colors, and then the UK terfs adopted it wholesale, because they're terrible. If you were wondering why they started adopting little orange and black squares on Twitter handles...

Plus, you know, the laws being passed.

EDIT: if this were just a moron on TikTok, I wouldn't give a shit
 
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That vastly depends on your perspective and life experience.
I think the people advocating for this have a huge misunderstanding of the level of their power. The minority has a say because we have societal rules of not treating entire groups of people as being inherently terrible just because they belong to some group they have no control over like being white or straight. If people change the rules to "I can treat people like shit because I was treated that way in the past" then the minority, in this case LGBT people, are not going to win the open "war" because they're the minority. Pisses me off to see people break down the very things that protect them because they're too short sighted to think more than one step ahead.
 
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I think the people advocating for this have a huge misunderstanding of the level of their power. The minority has a say because we have societal rules of not treating entire groups of people as being inherently terrible just because they belong to some group they have no control over like being white or straight. If people change the rules to "I can treat people like shit because I was treated that way in the past" then the minority, in this case LGBT people, are not going to win the open "war" because they're the minority. Pisses me off to see people break down the very things that protect them because they're too short sighted to think more than one step ahead.
How dare those minorities say mean things on twitter! Don't they know that racism and anti-LGBT discrimination is in the past? It's totally not like racial minorities are disproportionally targeted by the legal system or LGBT people can be fired, kicked out of housing, and/or denied medical care for simply existing nowadays...
 
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Well, the 4chan nazis got involved, designed a flag using pornhub colors, and then the UK terfs adopted it wholesale, because they're terrible. If you were wondering why they started adopting little orange and black squares on Twitter handles...

Plus, you know, the laws being passed.

EDIT: if this were just a moron on TikTok, I wouldn't give a shit
Yeah this just sounds like petty internet culture wars. 4chan is an infamous site that deliberately tries to piss people off in the most offensive way possible. So raging about it online only fuels the fire but outrage culture by definition cant control themselves so it is what it is i guess.

As for the laws. Thats a different issue and has very little to do with internet meme wars. Those politicians damn sure dont know or give a shit about tik tok or 4chan.
 
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Yeah this just sounds like petty internet culture wars. 4chan is an infamous site that deliberately tries to piss people off in the most offensive way possible. So raging about it online only fuels the fire but outrage culture by definition cant control themselves so it is what it is i guess.

As for the laws. Thats a different issue and has very little to do with internet meme wars. Those politicians damn sure dont know or give a shit about tik tok or 4chan.
Man, I wish it was 1994, but turns out a lot of people use the internet and social media for, you know, news.

If internet meme wars didn't have any consequences, "cancel culture" or whatever wouldn't be a thing
 

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I think the people advocating for this have a huge misunderstanding of the level of their power. The minority has a say because we have societal rules of not treating entire groups of people as being inherently terrible just because they belong to some group they have no control over like being white or straight. If people change the rules to "I can treat people like shit because I was treated that way in the past" then the minority, in this case LGBT people, are not going to win the open "war" because they're the minority. Pisses me off to see people break down the very things that protect them because they're too short sighted to think more than one step ahead.
Anyway, Arkansas just made a law that says people don't get healthcare if the doctor doesn't think they're white or straight enough.

If only we were nicer on Twitter, then that definitely wouldn't have happened. 😥
 

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Anyway, Arkansas just made a law that says people don't get healthcare if the doctor doesn't think they're white or straight enough.
That's just a blatant lie. I know that sometimes one has to match the opposition's lies to push forward, but doing it on this forum only makes you look like a dick.
 

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That's just a blatant lie. I know that sometimes one has to match the opposition's lies to push forward, but doing it on this forum only makes you look like a dick.
It's just pattern recognition:
What the law actually allows and what bad actors will pretend the law allows are two separate things, and unless you have money or are lucky enough to go viral (and you didn't die in the meantime) the distinction is meaningless. Not that "what the law allows" isn't rank bullshit on its own
 
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Does liking or not liking dick really form a foundational part of one's personality such that one cannot be proud about themselves without reference to it? Super weird.
 

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You are right about this, but there's also a vast difference between a five year old punching his dad for all he is worth and the dad reciprocating with a full force punch. One of these will level the hit party mildly annoyed, the other is likely to hospitalize if not outright kill the victim. This same allegorical disparity holds between the GLBTQ community and straight people.
See, this is the thing always. You ask to be treated like children but don't like the loss of respect that that entails.

You can either stand strong and do your best or you can ask someone to take it easy on you as you take a step back from their status. If you want to be treated equally and you lack the power to take it you still should do so anyways because that's actual equality. Anything else is charity and condescension.


Unlike the child, I expect you to know not to punch someone who'd hospitalize you with their reciprocation. If you're too dumb to be able to tell or expect them to treat you as special despite asking them to treat you with equality that's your fault at this point.

Does liking or not liking dick really form a foundational part of one's personality such that one cannot be proud about themselves without reference to it? Super weird.
If someone has nothing else about themselves that they can found an identity or personality through, they substitute arbitrary traits like their race or sex for it. If you're a boring asshole but you're gay you're not just a gay boring asshole if you make being gay your defining characteristic, you're a gay person who has to live with all the difficulties of society like a valiant martyr. Such a thing is very appealing to people seeking attention.
 

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See, this is the thing always. You ask to be treated like children but don't like the loss of respect that that entails.

You can either stand strong and do your best or you can ask someone to take it easy on you as you take a step back from their status. If you want to be treated equally and you lack the power to take it you still should do so anyways because that's actual equality. Anything else is charity and condescension.

Unlike the child, I expect you to know not to punch someone who'd hospitalize you with their reciprocation. If you're too dumb to be able to tell or expect them to treat you as special despite asking them to treat you with equality that's your fault at this point.
Firstly: you've characterised the adult's punch as "reciprocation", as if it's purely in response. That doesn't track. The violent discrimination against gay people is, and has always been, unprovoked.

Secondly: requesting not to be the target of violent discrimination is not "expecting them to treat you as special". Gay people suffer vastly increased threats of disownment, legal discrimination, violence and stigma. To request that go away is not to ask for "special treatment". It is to ask to experience the same level of security and safety that straight people already experience.

You're taking this in a really unsavoury direction, honestly. A reminder of what those "punches" in the analogy represent: the child's punch is a random comment on the internet; and the adult's punch is legal discrimination, violent assault & murder, parental disownment, conversion therapy, and decades of stigma. So if you're insinuating the kid had it coming, that he "should have known better", then the analogy to that is saying that a comment on the internet invites and justifies brutality.
 

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As usual, you've got absolutely no empathy for suffering people but a lot of it for people in positions of power.
No, I don't think Dreiko has empathy for people in power, he is merely supremely self-interested. He is liberal only as far as it suits his ability to do as he pleases, and everyone else's liberty can go drown in a lake.