The challenge was not to find people who think those ideas are widespread (that would just be sharing prejudices), the challange was about finding someone actually holding half of those beliefs. I don't read your comments as if you that was true for you.
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It's not about what an individual does or how one would juggle these rather abstract things in their head. It's about the culture we live in. Like, I can consciously think to myself that there is no need to equate sex to penetration, but that is the default in the culture that has raised me and in the back of my head it is the baseline, and when talking about just 'sex' without elaborating further it always means and has always meant penetration.
Virgin shaming? Been there done that. Slut shaming? Absolutely, and it makes sense to do it, because we don't treat sexual partners like Starbucks locations. Assertive female sexuality? Outside the norm.
I'm fine with criticizing straight culture not because I want more deviant sexuality and to be a pervert, but because modern technological advancements and lifestyle are bringing about changes that right now, in my opinion, are dragging heteronormative relationships (in the West at least) through the dirt. This includes normalizing some things that are looked down upon. While leaving some things out, like anything Terminal Blue does.
Sounds more like "Oh those horrible backwater mainstream people and their ideas. How lucky for us that we understand sex so much better than the common straight man/woman holding on to outdated beliefs. And no, of course those ideas are not actually outdated, they are totally still how the current culture sees sex, otherwise we could not feel superior and progressive about those topics. "
If you can't find people here holding those beliefs, then maybe they are not really that widespread and accepted nowadays. If such a "straight culture" really existed, we should have some of them here with this being a general entertainment forum with members from all over the world but mostly from the West.
If you can't find people here holding those beliefs, then maybe they are not really that widespread and accepted nowadays. If such a "straight culture" really existed, we should have some of them here with this being a general entertainment forum with members from all over the world but mostly from the West.
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It sounds a bit like that. Terminal Blue's patronizing attitude is insufferable, but I've heard and read these ideas talked about sometimes elsewhere too. We mustn't forget that queer (no, it's not a slur) people are similarly baked in heteronormative culture like everyone else. When they realize it's not for them they must think about sex and culture a lot, because things are no longer clear or go about as expected. The perspective becomes very different.
This is a ridiculous demand. Yeah, it won't be fulfilled. Feel free to pat yourself on the back.
Well, depends where you are. People in certain regions consider it to be, and if you're on an international forum, you're likely to have at least someone from a place where it is around.
The whole thing that set this off was a TikTok teen upset that someone decided the appropriate term was "transphobe."
Imagine applying this reasoning to "black culture."
1. Some of the nuttier feminists would argue explicitly yes (someone already linked witchwind as an example - I forget, is she one of the ones that argues that when women "consent" to heterosexual sex it's actually a result of trauma bonding and something akin to Stockholm syndrome instilled in them by their fathers to prepare them for their future husbands?). All of it.
2. The folks who would answer "yes" to the first question would also tend to tell you that only men are capable of rape so of course that means the man is raping the woman. As well as more than a few who might answer no to the first question. An example of the latter group is Mary P Koss, who is the source for a lot of the methods used to measure rates of rape, who originated the "one in four" stat that gets popularly used (from a study in 1987), and who coined the terms "date rape" and "acquaintance rape". I can quote her as recently as 5 years ago in an interview being incredulous at the very idea of a woman engaging in nonconsensual intercourse with a man, and when presented with an example where the man was drugged into compliance described it as merely "unwanted contact." Fuck it, I'll link the piece - the relevant bit is just over 8 minutes in.
No one gave me the command word, and I apparently can't make a Use Magic Device check to save my life - I keep waggling it around and shouting arcane-sounding things, and nothing other than the usual happens.
Maybe I should convert to 5e and then figure out whether I have to attune to it....and then afterwards you can look at Cosmo sex tips aimed at women. A fair few of which seem like the goal is to cause maximum injury in the process. And I say this as a man who can claim honestly that I have a scar on my dick from being involved with a witch.
My wife's grandmother apparently told her at one point that her husband had never seen her naked. Her husband, that she had multiple children with.
Every black person doesn't embody 100% of black culture. Isn't this common knowledge or is "black culture" all-encompassing? They don't all wear Nike Air Jordans, do they?
You see, straight culture imbues the penis with the ability to form protective enchantments;
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Again, kind of the wrong way around.
Some of the heterosexuals I've dated or slept with are still my friends today. They're not abusive people, they're perfectly nice people who I still have very special feelings for. In many cases, they are among the least abusive straight people I've met, which is why I was drawn to them in that way. The problem is that, as heterosexuals, they absorb a lot of very bad ideas about sex and relationships.
But this isn't really about my experience, and even if it was I think it's important to remember that I was heterosexual (or at least closeted) once. I've been inside the locker room, figuratively and literally.
Again, as I think was very obvious, my argument is that I'm tired of being put in that position by straight people.
We do.
Like, I get that a person who consciously believed all the things I said and who professed them as deeply held beliefs would sound archaic, but that's not really what I'm saying. Look at the media you consume, look at the dynamics of your relationships. It's less about whether you consciously believe this stuff, but whether you've consciously broken with it.
This thread is patronizing. It's a bunch of people talking about things they have never given serious thought to, will never understand and have never experienced with the unearned authority of privilege, and I think it's important that you all get a sense, a tiny sense, of what that feels like.
OK, that makes sense, even if I don't personally like the priorities. I can see the sense.
Bruh, you turned a non-serious, light trolling thread into a lecture. It has now been proven that perspective is difficult. A successful derail from my point of view.
So in your "world view" which is it, are people bad because they're straight, or do straight people automatically become bad? Because either way you slice it all you're doing in confirming you've never had a health straight sexual relationship. You may still be friends with some of your ex-lovers, and that's your right. But if your take away from their relationship, and the others you've had, is that all straight people have an inherent abusive, warped view of sex, that women use sex as a bargaining chip and men are dominating and imbued with magical penises, then yes you've only known abusive straight sexual relationships. And I really am sorry that is your experience, but you are in the minority. The majority of straight/bi people have not had these magically abusive relationships to the point they think anyone who is straight is automatically an abuser or that straight culture is centered around domination and abuse and bad sex.
And if you think people are patronizing, has it ever occurred to you that you're wrong? You have this bubble about privileges and authority and domination and abuse that you've convinced yourself is true, and yet not a single straight person on this site has agreed with it. If its so popular and true then at least one person should have come out and said yeah their penis is magic, and yeah sex is a bargaining chip. That hasn't happened, and the fact you hold it to be an absolute should tell you something about your assumptions. That's the problem with saying "All X and all Y", if even one X or Y doesn't fit, its wrong.
You can make an argument for all the artificial complexes and what have you that are inherent in this "straight culture" artifice you're describing but that doesn't mean people acting within that don't get off in that way to their maximum satisfaction. Just because YOU find this or that thing boring doesn't mean that other people also would be bored and are just ignorant of the secret pleasures you are privy to. It's incredibly arrogant to just assume this, to assume that just because to you something is boring it must be boring to other people.
This is just the same sort of thinking that leads one to label sexual things as deviant and sinful, only it labels them boring and oppressive instead.
The thinking itself is what's fundamentally wrong. Free people should be able to get off to whatever, even if it's a man dominating a woman through his performance. If they enjoy that, that's all that matters.
This is just the same sort of thinking that leads one to label sexual things as deviant and sinful, only it labels them boring and oppressive instead.
The thinking itself is what's fundamentally wrong. Free people should be able to get off to whatever, even if it's a man dominating a woman through his performance. If they enjoy that, that's all that matters.
I doesn't necessarily agree with Terminal.
I would agree that there is a very strict structure to straight culture. There are a lot of do's and don't. Anything outside is classed as sexual deviancy to try and paint it as evil.
Straight culture caged itself. You might be cool with this cage, just like CM and Tstorm are fine with their religious cages. I would only ask that you dont cage others because you like being caged (not saying you are doing this right now, just in general)
Getting slightly off-topic, but while there's certainly a lot of problems with how sex is depicted in mainstream media (especially porn, which is mainstream nowdays), there does seem to be something of a trend to do better.
Is this significant, is this going to make a difference, or is this wishful thinking?
Is this significant, is this going to make a difference, or is this wishful thinking?
Porn is wishful thinking! The average guy isn't a bodybuilder with a 10" dick doing playboy models in the ass. The average guy isn't a naked yoga instructor and the average woman hasn't gotten stuck in a dryer while her step brother is at home. Porn in the fantasy. The mainstream media is the fantasy. The average person, male or female, gay, lesbian, straight, bi, nothing, trans or fluid, doesn't have the money for personal trainers, dietitians, paradise vacations and autotune. Media is the fantasy. Always has been.
The question isn't isn't how do we do better to live up the ideals Media tells us to have, but to have media stop pandering to this Adonis lifestyle?
Now I have to say with fairness there is noting wrong with wanting to be attractive, nor watching attractive people fuck their brains out, the problem when you internalize the upper .1% of surgical enhanced beings as the average.
That's what I just wrote lol.
This "straight culture is boring/caged" thing is the other side of "everything not missionary is deviant" coin. Neither is right.
The right thing is to not label such matters and afford people the courtesy to figure out for themselves what gets them off the best. Trying to sound all superior and above all those poor caged folks is just arrogant.
To me it sounds more like a reactionary thing people who feel oppressed by this culture do, and not something that's actually aimed at helping poor straight folks have better sex or what have you.
I mean, it's like being a wine snob or something "wow, you don't get off on getting pegged, how uncultured, why I nevah!" is what it sounds like to me lol. Maybe I just really like mac and cheese bro, leave me alone XD. We don't do this with anything else. If someone tries to say such things with other matters like gaming for example they'd call it gatekeeping.
And to give some insight, being caged, or something being taboo, and then doing this taboo thing from within the cage anyways, has this Caligula effect style aspect to it, which makes it more pleasurable. Some things are fun exactly because they're deviant! It's not like thinking something is fucked up means you don't do it, it means you just have a bigger thrill when you do it cause it feels transgressive. Maybe think of it like that when you start calling things boring. Just because straight people don't think something is normal or good doesn't mean they also don't do it. Believing that is like thinking every single person who claims to be religious follows all the prescriptions of their religion to a T. We don't think that with anything else like that, so thinking this way about sex is irrational.
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