Super Street Fighter IV: Arcade Edition's DRM Punishes Legitimate PC Customers

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I personally don't care care Street Fighter 4, but after seeing this... Well, they might as well put up signs saying "PIRATE THIS GAME" (now that I think about it that is what they are doing, pirates and hackers see this type of DRM as a challenge)

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Mr. GameBrain

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This is not good.
Not good at all.

I wanted to get this for my Arcade machine (MAME/PC conversion), and even though it is connected to the internet I can't garuntee it will be like that.
(My parents sort of want me to move it to the cuboard under the stairs but there is not internet in the kitchen so this could be an issue...)
 

sunburst

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Congrats Capcom! This combined with the games that were unplayable when PSN was down puts you on my Don't Buy Your Games Ever list. This is a big disapointment considering how much I love games like Street Fighter and Dead Rising but you've definitely earned it.
 

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We really need to outlaw this kind of practice. A company shouldn't be able to prevent people from using something they paid for, whether they're online or not. What if I couldn't turn on my TV because I'm not online? Or fry an egg? Or drive my car? If any other kind of company for any other product created this kind of restriction, nobody would buy from them. Imagine if this kind of practice expanded into the future. If a representative from Bed, Bath, & Beyond came and shut off the shower system while my daughter was using it, because my internet connection just happened to drop for a moment. Not only would I shoot the guy for breaking into my house and walking in on my naked daughter, I'd probably also pirate the shower next time so I wouldn't have to deal with that kind of crap.

You wouldn't buy a computer if you could only use it while the internet was working. You wouldn't buy a book if you could only read it while the internet was working. You wouldn't buy a beer if you could only drink it while the internet was working. So why buy video games under this condition? Well, I'm officially not buying from any company that uses this kind of practice. And neither should you. "Oh boo hoo, piracy will be easier if we don't strengthen our DRM." DEAL WITH IT. Chalk it up to a cost of doing business and just eat those losses. You can't keep people from using something they paid for. That's why I say, don't buy from companies that do this.
 

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Well...let's see how it goes. It's quite fucked up, and this isn't the best DRM method I've seen, but they did it because of Vanilla SFIV.

I don't underestimate the hackers, but have they hacked a game through GFWL before? I don't know if this'll be a quick and easy job for them.

Not that it matters to me. I'll either be getting it for the 360 or PC, but the bigger issue here is...

The FUCK is my cross-platform play Microsoft? Stop being assholes, this is a perfect opportunity to use the damn feature since it's going through your services! Jesus...

Mr. GameBrain said:
This is not good.
Not good at all.

I wanted to get this for my Arcade machine (MAME/PC conversion), and even though it is connected to the internet I can't garuntee it will be like that.
(My parents sort of want me to move it to the cuboard under the stairs but there is not internet in the kitchen so this could be an issue...)
You have an arcade machine? Niceeeeee.
 

Dragonsoulq

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I am rather suprised that a big company like Capcom,who logically must have a number of Computer savvy people working for them; just do not get it- Your game will be pirated.

This is a fact of life, it will happen, there is nothing you can do to stop it. Valve are the only big company that seem to get it. They only try to stop day zero Piracy and after that they simply make it more convenient to buy it.."What's this I pay for it once, and its there forever?" Sweet! This is how you stop piracy.

Also yes, Putting aggravating anti-piracy on a game that will be mostly online as Dumb.
*Sigh* I don't object to the greed of Capcom, just there Piracy. This [www.google.com] is how easy it is to find a torrent of any game you want, you can't fight that. Its like the King who ordered the tide to go back.
 

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CM156 said:
koroem said:
See now here is a reason for Anonymous to go start hacking and DOSing a company. They have nothing but contempt for their paying customers if this is what they feel is necessary. Screw the customers that support your company. Nice move.

People need to vote with their wallets on this one, and hacking groups like Anon need to find a way to attack them without screwing customers personal info. Ubisoft deserved it, and now Capcom does.

Shame there isn't some kind of better outlet to show displeasure on topics like this. I'm tired of publishers raping us and treating us all like criminals. Its time to treat them like criminals.
Yes. The company did something people don't like, so of course attacking them is a good idea. In fact, it is totally justified. This in no way can turn out bad
/sarcasm

What will hurt them the most is that people don't play the game. But attacking them allows them to treat the consumer base even worse, because they have justification.
That is just my point. While no amount of attacking them is justified, no amount of piracy justifies screwing paying customers. I understand people don't have to buy the product if they don't agree with the DRM schemes, but fans new and old are left out in the cold over this.

If people don't buy it, Capcom gets the impression that there is no money in PC platform development, and stop going that route. People buy the game and it supports their DRM. So either way we end up screwed.

Any company blatantly treating potential customers like criminals, to the point that the product they purchase can be effectively rendered inoperable, should be punished. This isn't restricted by law and it just isn't right. Sad part is, most governing bodies would support the business, not the people on a topic like this.

How many people will purchase this without understanding the full extent of the DRM and it's effects and end up having issues? How many will buy it knowing the risks but don't care and end up with issues? How many will buy it assuming they won't have problems, but end up with nothing? Innocent customers are always caught in the crossfire.

Look at Assassins Creed 2. Not only could people not play the game for various reasons, many people couldn't even save the progress they had because the DRM fucked it up so bad. Ubisoft was so terrified of pirates it crapped all over the customers, and still hasn't patched a fix for it. But everyone was supposed to be excited when the always online portion of the DRM was removed? Great, one step in the right direction, but still fucked customers in the end with no resolution in sight.

Worst of all, customers with problems will be denied refunds because it is open software. Capcom gets to keep its money while people get junk. All to keep pirates and hackers from being able to play for what, a few hours? A few weeks at the absolute most?

When Capcom sees its DRM doesn't stop pirates, are they going to remove it? I doubt it. That adds development costs to a product already suffering from increased piracy because pirates wanted to prove Capcom's attempts were futile.

There has to be another way, but how else do you get a point across to a company unless it hits them in the wallet some how?
 

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I can't believe companies haven't twigged that this type of DRM implementation rather than combating piracy, drives more people into it. I've known multiple people who've bought legit copies of games, run into problems with the DRM - tried to look up a solution, discovered actually pirating the game is really the only viable solution (and pirates always suceed in getting round this stuff - seemingly very quickly). Now in those instances a customer has already bought the product, but it creates ill-will in the customer and makes them question why they're bothering buying legit copies in the first place when piracy seems easier.

Beyond that, I don't believe a lot of pirates would bother buying most of what they pirate, even if getting it for nothing wasn't an option.

I'm not pro-piracy (Capcom hadokens money out of me regularly!)but draconian DRM is bad business. If a company keeps it's fans happy they stay loyal and reward them over years with repeat purchases - do the opposite and they can expect the opposite, its that simple.
 

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koroem said:
CM156 said:
koroem said:
See now here is a reason for Anonymous to go start hacking and DOSing a company. They have nothing but contempt for their paying customers if this is what they feel is necessary. Screw the customers that support your company. Nice move.

People need to vote with their wallets on this one, and hacking groups like Anon need to find a way to attack them without screwing customers personal info. Ubisoft deserved it, and now Capcom does.

Shame there isn't some kind of better outlet to show displeasure on topics like this. I'm tired of publishers raping us and treating us all like criminals. Its time to treat them like criminals.
Yes. The company did something people don't like, so of course attacking them is a good idea. In fact, it is totally justified. This in no way can turn out bad
/sarcasm

What will hurt them the most is that people don't play the game. But attacking them allows them to treat the consumer base even worse, because they have justification.
That is just my point. While no amount of attacking them is justified, no amount of piracy justifies screwing paying customers. I understand people don't have to buy the product if they don't agree with the DRM schemes, but fans new and old are left out in the cold over this.

If people don't buy it, Capcom gets the impression that there is no money in PC platform development, and stop going that route. People buy the game and it supports their DRM. So either way we end up screwed.

Any company blatantly treating potential customers like criminals, to the point that the product they purchase can be effectively rendered inoperable, should be punished. This isn't restricted by law and it just isn't right. Sad part is, most governing bodies would support the business, not the people on a topic like this.

How many people will purchase this without understanding the full extent of the DRM and it's effects and end up having issues? How many will buy it knowing the risks but don't care and end up with issues? How many will buy it assuming they won't have problems, but end up with nothing? Innocent customers are always caught in the crossfire.

Look at Assassins Creed 2. Not only could people not play the game for various reasons, many people couldn't even save the progress they had because the DRM fucked it up so bad. Ubisoft was so terrified of pirates it crapped all over the customers, and still hasn't patched a fix for it. But everyone was supposed to be excited when the always online portion of the DRM was removed? Great, one step in the right direction, but still fucked customers in the end with no resolution in sight.

Worst of all, customers with problems will be denied refunds because it is open software. Capcom gets to keep its money while people get junk. All to keep pirates and hackers from being able to play for what, a few hours? A few weeks at the absolute most?

When Capcom sees its DRM doesn't stop pirates, are they going to remove it? I doubt it. That adds development costs to a product already suffering from increased piracy because pirates wanted to prove Capcom's attempts were futile.

There has to be another way, but how else do you get a point across to a company unless it hits them in the wallet some how?
I don't mean to sound smug, but just don't buy the damn thing, and write them a letter saying why you didn't buy it. One wrong (but legal) act does not justify a wrong (illegal) act. Hacking Capcom WILL hurt the users no matter what. Otherwise, it won't change anything. The only way to make it change is to hurt the consumers, which is NEVER justified.

I plan not to buy from them now, and that's all I really can do. If it bothers you that much, you can do the same.

It sucks, yes. But we don't have much legal recourse.
 

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Games For Windows Live is INSUFFERABLY crap and unreliable; I can't even play Section 8: Prejudice because I can't make the fucking thing work. I wouldn't even CONTEMPLATE getting this game for even a second under these conditions. Way to go, Capcom.
 

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CM156 said:
I don't mean to sound smug, but just don't buy the damn thing, and write them a letter saying why you didn't buy it. One wrong (but legal) act does not justify a wrong (illegal) act. Hacking Capcom WILL hurt the users no matter what. Otherwise, it won't change anything. The only way to make it change is to hurt the consumers, which is NEVER justified.

I plan not to buy from them now, and that's all I really can do. If it bothers you that much, you can do the same.

It sucks, yes. But we don't have much legal recourse.
You don't sound smug at all, and I completely agree with you. I don't plan on buying it now. However, it sucks that we have to miss out on potential greatness because a developer wants to treat us like criminals, and as you stated, we have no recourse.

It is almost a form of discrimination or prejudice against platform users. If console users experienced the same issues I don't think it would be as big a deal. Consoles are pirated just as much, maybe more than PCs, but because there is also a bigger customer base, the effects are less noticeable.

It is clear discrimination on PC gamers. More to my point in my first post, they need to understand it, hence my support and encouragement of attacks against them. Childish? Perhaps, but reasonable in my opinion. Revolutions and rebellions don't happen without reason.
 

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Keava said:
And the same day CDPRojekt releases 1.1 patch for Witcher 2 that removes DRM completely from the retail versions.
While reading this article, I had this scenario in mind. It would be a really cool move if Capcom chose to remove the DRM shortly after release - as it would effectively cut down 0-day piracy, but once it's cracked, the DRM is nigh useless anyway. I think this is what CDProjekt intended. To lock the game up until it's been cracked, then get rid of the superfluous protection.
 

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ChromeAlchemist said:
Well...let's see how it goes. It's quite fucked up, and this isn't the best DRM method I've seen, but they did it because of Vanilla SFIV.

I don't underestimate the hackers, but have they hacked a game through GFWL before? I don't know if this'll be a quick and easy job for them.
It (GFWL removal) has been done before, although I will not mention specific titles. So it would be quite a quick job for the hackers.
 

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I never really understood why Capcom needs to re-release the same game over and over again with a couple new features and a couple new characters for the full price of another game, it seems kinda stupid to me.

OT: *Claps Hands* way to go Capcom, you really outdid yourself this time. Way to give the middle finger to all your customers

/facepalm
 

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Hey genius, this doesn't punish pirates at all. pirates will have a workaround with days of release. So, yeah.

inb4 the Escapist DRM defense force.
 

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Worgen said:
violent games dont cause violence, shit like this causes violence
I was going to post something similar to this, but damn did you beat me to the punch. And with style, no less.

YAY a cookie *nom nom nom nom nom nom nom*
 

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Mr. GameBrain said:
This is not good.
Not good at all.

I wanted to get this for my Arcade machine (MAME/PC conversion), and even though it is connected to the internet I can't garuntee it will be like that.
(My parents sort of want me to move it to the cuboard under the stairs but there is not internet in the kitchen so this could be an issue...)
Might i suggest WiFi?
 

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Here is my problem.

When I was kid, and my home didn't have internet connection, a friend of mine brought over a DVD...a magical little DVD which had something magical inside, since I was a kid and pretty ignorant, and Warcraft for me was always a Solo game, I was excited when he told me he could get WoW to be played solo.

I will not get into details, but back in 2004, people found ways to create offline patches to get WoW to run.

Now, we're in 2011, where half of the time is game is up for grabs before it even hits sites legally, so honestly, what is Capcom hoping to prove or challenge?

I can bet you, whatever you want, in under a week, we'll have an open version of SS open and without any restrictions, save for that of legality.

Someone needs to send Capcom the ExtraCredits link.
 

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And I was excited to pick this up for PC....well fuck you CAPCOM, you don't deserve my money if you're gonna implement this horse shit. I may have been fine with something like denying multiplayer support against piraters or something, but denying half the fucking content? Go to hell.

I guess I'll go back to my second playthrough of The Witcher 2, at least CDP isn't locking me out of half my damn game.