Syndicate Remake Revealed as a Shooter - UPDATED

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I think your missing the point. Let's say for the sake of argument the game turns out to be amazing, loved by critics and FPS fans alike. GOTY material, an instant classic, a genre defining masterpiece that becomes the next benchmark that all future FPS games will be judged by. None of this will make it a true Syndicate game, as Syndicate is an RTS not a FPS.
 

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Seeing as how the original Syndicate games were before my time as a gamer, I'll take a wait and see approach. What gives me a good amount of faith in the project is the fact that Starbreeze is developing, which is very welcome news.

That said, I find it quite humorous how people are collectively losing their shit over this. We have seven screenshots and a press release to tell us what this game is all about, and that's it. Yet, we have declarations and affirmations that Syndicate will be shit, a hollow shell of should have been, the death of the gaming industry. A press release and seven screenshots is enough to confirm that? I can understand the hate on something like Modern Warfare because we've already had two installments and now several videos to show us how little the game has changed between these installments. This, on the other hand, has so little information out, we can barely make a judgment on the art style, let alone gameplay.

This game might be shit (doubt it) or this game might be great. Impossible to tell until we get some real info later down the line.
I think your missing the point. Let's say for the sake of argument the game turns out to be amazing, loved by critics and FPS fans alike. GOTY material, an instant classic, a genre defining masterpiece that becomes the next benchmark that all future FPS games will be judged by. None of this will make it a true Syndicate game, as Syndicate is an RTS not a FPS.
 

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Heh... in the far flung future there will only be... LENS FLARE!
Guess the protagonist also replaced his eyes with cameras or something.

This seems like a silly direction to take Syndicate in, especially since they seem dead set on giving this agent a name, backstory etc. That seems really out of sync with the whole numbered faceless agents who are effectively remote controlled drones.
 

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The_root_of_all_evil said:
b3nn3tt said:
I'd never thought of it like that actually. That's a very good point. In which case, I've got to fall back on the brand recognition argument, because I can't see any other reason why they'd call it Syndicate.
And which leaves the brand recognition as a version of emotional blackmail ("It could be as good as you remember it being" - which, of course, it will never be).

That's why emotions run high from the "NO SYNDICATE" side.

The "THIS SYNDICATE" side tend to be people who never experienced the recognition, and so are fighting to have it themselves.

It's a very dirty game being played. Faction stirring just for hype. But then this is from the people who have boobies everywhere else. Not the most subtle of companies.
Well, that seems like a very underhanded tactic. But then, I suppose that that's what the developers decided would be most likely to make the most money, so from that perspective it makes sense. Does show quite a lack of respect for their potential fanbase though. Although again, if money is their primary objective then they probably don't mind that too much.
 

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Another frankenstien ressurection set loose to destroy the world ... wonderful. Yet another reason to not use Origin ... or any service EA comes up with. Or any game they sell either.
 

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Hey guys, I recently became privy to the information that... wow, the two games I thought to make this joke out of kind of already did it. King's Quest: Mask of Eternity WAS a mediocre action game, and Zork was in Black Ops.

But really, we should stop taking old IPs and making them shitty CoD clones that will, at best, fade into obscurity without making enough money to warrant licensing the IP in the first place, because the only people the IP means something to don't want to play the shitty BETRAAAAYAL.
 

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its disapionting they aren't making a syndicate game. Why call it syndicate? just make it a new IP. First X-com now this :(
At least this Syndicate is in the right timeframe, and has a bit of the things of the original, like supa-powaful corporations. Though based on the screenshots, not much else.

The only thing the new X-Com has in common with the old is, 'aliens exist'.


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Bobic said:
GrizzlerBorno said:
I perfectly understand people being upset about this one because of the genre change.... but the majority of escapists here are console gamers. Why don't you guys understand that Consoles WON'T have over-the-top squad based strategy games. It's just NOT going to happen. Just get the fuck over it.

Alternatively if this was a PC exclusive: (which no big developer will make nowaydays anyway) A)it would undersell like dogshit. B)The majority of people here will whine about not being able to play it! It's a lose-lose situation.

Hence it's either THIS Syndicate or NO Syndicate. Choose.
Bet you're getting sick of people quoting you to say 'NO Syndicate' eh?
I may not have thought that one through. Problem is, I thought people were really looking forward to a new syndicate. Evidently not.
 

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GrizzlerBorno said:
Bobic said:
GrizzlerBorno said:
I perfectly understand people being upset about this one because of the genre change.... but the majority of escapists here are console gamers. Why don't you guys understand that Consoles WON'T have over-the-top squad based strategy games. It's just NOT going to happen. Just get the fuck over it.

Alternatively if this was a PC exclusive: (which no big developer will make nowaydays anyway) A)it would undersell like dogshit. B)The majority of people here will whine about not being able to play it! It's a lose-lose situation.

Hence it's either THIS Syndicate or NO Syndicate. Choose.
Bet you're getting sick of people quoting you to say 'NO Syndicate' eh?
I may not have thought that one through. Problem is, I thought people were really looking forward to a new syndicate. Evidently not.
I'd love a sequel to Baldur's Gate 2, but if EA forced Bioware to make an FPS out of it...

Just because people want a new Syndicate doesn't mean they'll take any shit EA throws at them under the name "Syndicate."
 

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Reinvention..visceral FPS experience.So this game will have nothing to do with the original and will be the same as the last few years FPS then.Oh and i am going to eat my happy sack with salt on if the Character you play is not a Emo ridden sod that goes on the whole game how evil the big corporations are while wading in bodies he just slice shot or burned.
 

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dyre said:
GrizzlerBorno said:
Bobic said:
GrizzlerBorno said:
I perfectly understand people being upset about this one because of the genre change.... but the majority of escapists here are console gamers. Why don't you guys understand that Consoles WON'T have over-the-top squad based strategy games. It's just NOT going to happen. Just get the fuck over it.

Alternatively if this was a PC exclusive: (which no big developer will make nowaydays anyway) A)it would undersell like dogshit. B)The majority of people here will whine about not being able to play it! It's a lose-lose situation.

Hence it's either THIS Syndicate or NO Syndicate. Choose.
Bet you're getting sick of people quoting you to say 'NO Syndicate' eh?
I may not have thought that one through. Problem is, I thought people were really looking forward to a new syndicate. Evidently not.
I'd love a sequel to Baldur's Gate 2, but if EA forced Bioware to make an FPS out of it...

Just because people want a new Syndicate doesn't mean they'll take any shit EA throws at them under the name "Syndicate."
Well that was my point. A new syndicate can never be the new Syndicate they want.
 

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GrizzlerBorno said:
dyre said:
GrizzlerBorno said:
Bobic said:
GrizzlerBorno said:
I perfectly understand people being upset about this one because of the genre change.... but the majority of escapists here are console gamers. Why don't you guys understand that Consoles WON'T have over-the-top squad based strategy games. It's just NOT going to happen. Just get the fuck over it.

Alternatively if this was a PC exclusive: (which no big developer will make nowaydays anyway) A)it would undersell like dogshit. B)The majority of people here will whine about not being able to play it! It's a lose-lose situation.

Hence it's either THIS Syndicate or NO Syndicate. Choose.
Bet you're getting sick of people quoting you to say 'NO Syndicate' eh?
I may not have thought that one through. Problem is, I thought people were really looking forward to a new syndicate. Evidently not.
I'd love a sequel to Baldur's Gate 2, but if EA forced Bioware to make an FPS out of it...

Just because people want a new Syndicate doesn't mean they'll take any shit EA throws at them under the name "Syndicate."
Well that was my point. A new syndicate can never be the new Syndicate they want.
Well, it could be. The new Deus Ex was absolutely the Deus Ex I wanted. They just need to find good developers who loved the old Syndicate, and give them some freedom to do what they want. Though, it probably wouldn't be very profitable. I'm surprised Square Enix took the risk with Deus Ex...
 

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dyre said:
GrizzlerBorno said:
dyre said:
GrizzlerBorno said:
Bioware to make an FPS out of it...

Just because people want a new Syndicate doesn't mean they'll take any shit EA throws at them under the name "Syndicate."
Well that was my point. A new syndicate can never be the new Syndicate they want.
Well, it could be. The new Deus Ex was absolutely the Deus Ex I wanted. They just need to find good developers who loved the old Syndicate, and give them some freedom to do what they want. Though, it probably wouldn't be very profitable. I'm surprised Square Enix took the risk with Deus Ex...
Deus Ex is hardly a fair comparison because it was still an FPS. An FPS unlike anything we'd seen in years, sure. But an FPS nonetheless. FPS' work on modern consoles. Top-down squad tactics games don't. There are a few titles, but it's just not lucrative enough.
 

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The only recourse is to not buy the game. If they are just going to throw the FPS treatment on everything to try and make a buck, we need to let them know by not buying them. It would be better if all these old franchises died, rather than have them morph into something like this.
 

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sorry but its not Syndicate. I very excited when I heard talk about a remake but this isnt a remake its a completely new game/franchise.
Please next time you want to screw up something just think up a new name also...
 

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dyre said:
GrizzlerBorno said:
dyre said:
GrizzlerBorno said:
Bobic said:
GrizzlerBorno said:
I perfectly understand people being upset about this one because of the genre change.... but the majority of escapists here are console gamers. Why don't you guys understand that Consoles WON'T have over-the-top squad based strategy games. It's just NOT going to happen. Just get the fuck over it.

Alternatively if this was a PC exclusive: (which no big developer will make nowaydays anyway) A)it would undersell like dogshit. B)The majority of people here will whine about not being able to play it! It's a lose-lose situation.

Hence it's either THIS Syndicate or NO Syndicate. Choose.
Bet you're getting sick of people quoting you to say 'NO Syndicate' eh?
I may not have thought that one through. Problem is, I thought people were really looking forward to a new syndicate. Evidently not.
I'd love a sequel to Baldur's Gate 2, but if EA forced Bioware to make an FPS out of it...

Just because people want a new Syndicate doesn't mean they'll take any shit EA throws at them under the name "Syndicate."
Well that was my point. A new syndicate can never be the new Syndicate they want.
Well, it could be. The new Deus Ex was absolutely the Deus Ex I wanted. They just need to find good developers who loved the old Syndicate, and give them some freedom to do what they want. Though, it probably wouldn't be very profitable. I'm surprised Square Enix took the risk with Deus Ex...
Dues Ex could of been expanded a bit more BUT I see your point. Especially with so many sequels failing recently, Dues Ex:HR was actually done quite well.

But to the point. I can see Syndicate Wars becoming a successful first person shooter *IF* its done right. If I will miss out on the bird eyes view watching massive towers collapse and vehicles crashing/exploding then go ahead and impress me by doing it first person with ground breaking physics. Deliver on similar freedom with all so many guns, upgrades and missions and the atmosphere to match and you have me excited. In addition if you want to pretend your another Dues EX with all the added stealth mechanics then by all means, show me what you got but you have quite a milestone to reach.

But what has me cringing is knowing:
1) It will include Co-op (That usually suggests limitations in single-player to make up for it)
2) It will be published by EA who I see has murderer of sequels, bringer of Origin
3) Advertising the stealth factor over the original features from the previous installments, which somewhat suggests it will be a different games... like it wishes to be Dues Ex instead!

Sometimes I wish companies like Blizzard would be in charge of such projects... but thinking twice about it they would probably turn it into an MMO, add elves, space aliens release it in 3 pieces for maximum profit after 10 years in the making.
 

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What really creeps me out that the coming Xcom wont be the first time that franchise has been violated. There was the flight simulator X-com Interceptor, and a 3rd person shooter X-com Enforcer. Considering how horribly those sold, and how I expect the next one to sell, it seems the marketing thinks the only reason people play X-com is because they simply hate aliens.

Now Syndicate, this is getting almost as bad, but since its for origin I wouldn't even think about trying it in the first place. I'd really want to know what kind of marketing strategies EA tries to apply, the company hasn't made profit in a long time and they seem to agressively destroy everything good and decent they can absorb into their IP hole of misery and failure.

I wish there was a way to pay for them to lose money.
 

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The humble Megadrive had decent versions of Syndicate, Populous, Megalomania, Dune 2 and originals like Herzog Zwei. If a console released in 1989 can pull it off, why can't the current lot?

What about the original Syndicate on XBLA!!!