lizards said:
Kpt._Rob said:
To be honest, that seems downright sociopathic. The idea of manipulating people's lives and emotions, and deceiving them into a date seems disgusting to me. And I can not imagine how anyone would build a solid relationship on such a lie.
while im not saying that this is ok (fuck guy just ask her) if you do this and it were to work out then whatever works, because if it works than both people benefit
That kind of nonchalance towards moral issues is exactly why I have come to dislike utilitarianism over the years. If I beat up a homeless man, and as a result of my having beat up a homeless man, someone decides to take pity on him, and so he's given a second chance at life, that doesn't change the fact that I beat up a homeless man. It is not the outcome that decides the morality of an action, but the intent put into the action. If I manipulate someone, my intent is to manipulate them, if my manipulating that person happens to benefit them, that does not change the fact that they have been manipulated.
You may not have read my second post, but the point I tried to elaborate on in that post is that when you choose to manipulate someone, you stop treating them like a human, and start treating them like an object. You can't go back to the time before you've done that. You can start to treat them like a human again, but you can never erase the fact that at one point in time you treated them like an object. You can't build a solid relationship out of an act that degrades the humanity of the person with whom you wish to have a relationship.
