JDKJ said:Nurb said:JDKJ said:Nurb said:JDKJ said:Please don't insult my intelligence. If you want to dispute something I've said, then fine. But if you could do so on some other basis than suggesting I can't read or do simple mathematical computations, I'd greatly appreciate that.Nurb said:25% of college women are raped? You must have heard wrong because do you have any idea how big a chunk that is?JDKJ said:Campus rape ain't all that rare. It's reportedly 1 in 4 college women. And that's for a crime that is notoriously under-reported.Nurb said:Campus rape is rare, and when it happens it gets publicity. Giving a presentation that suggests college students find rape acceptable and requiring male students attend it makes the assumption all male students are idiots who don't know what rape is and will most likely attempt it.MasochisticMuse said:You are aware that university is where a lot of people get raped right? People get raped and 99.9% of the time it's men doing it, so why not talk to them about the issue? Or are you one of those people who thinks women are responsible for their own rape and therefore only preventative "don't get yourself raped you silly bint" techniques should be taught?Nurb said:You've obviously never been to a mandatory university "You're all dumb cavemen that need to be taught how not to rape women" presentation that accusess male students they're unknowingly perpetuating a "rape culture"MasochisticMuse said:
http://thefire.org/article/12301.html
If we can give lectures to women telling them to always go out in pairs, watch their drinks and not go out on the street at night, then we can give lectures to men educating them on consent laws and negative attitudes towards women and sexuality. Just because you know how to behave yourself doesn't necessarily mean the guy next to you does. Saying "hey, don't rape girls" may hurt your pride, but if I ran a university I'd rather hurt a couple feelings and hopefully prevent a rape than pretend everyone has their shit together and then find out some woman got assaulted.
"Hey, don't rape girls" doesn't hurt my pride. Even suggesting any adult man needs to be told this is insulting and prejudicial because you're saying I don't know what it is and will most likely try it if not told
It's sexism to suspect all men as being potential rapists based on their gender. You don't even see it in what you're saying do you? Let's Replace just a couple words in your statement.
Replaced words are bold:
"Just because you know how to behave yourself doesn't necessarily mean the black guy next to you does. Saying "hey, don't steal" may hurt your pride, but if I ran a city I'd rather hurt a couple feelings and hopefully prevent a robbery than pretend everyone has their shit together and then find out some store got robbed"
See how lumping men in with a small percentage of actual rapists looks now? "ALL men need to be told..." is as big a problem as saying "ALL black men need to be told..."
I'm not changing around sentences or reordering words here, If there was nothing prejudicial about your statement, then it wouldn't come across that way no matter who I replaced "man" with or what crime/negative action I replaced "rape" with.
--In the last count taken in 2007, there were 18,248,128 students in the US that year:
--57% of those were women, making it 10,401,433 female students
--25% of that is 2,600,358
--So that would mean 2,600,358 women were raped just in college alone, and going by what you said, probably more than that
--A smaller percentage of men in college means there would have to be a greater percentage of rapists among them, both single and multiple offenders, to prey upon the greater number of women. That would mean anywhere from 30%-50% of male college students were rapists in 2007.
The FBI reported only 89,000 rape cases NATIONWIDE in 2008...
Do you see how media coverage, constant suspicion, and worry makes people think that rapists and rape is everywhere?
The Duke team getting falsely accused of rape of a black woman (trying not to appear a slut) were condemned immediately by their fellow students, the country, and their professors shows the panicky hysteria involved. Had there not been cell phone video of it proving the sex was consentual, those guys would be sitting in jail, which are nothing but monster factories today, being brutalized by other inmates.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higher_education_in_the_United_States
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-10-06-rape-decline_N.htm
There was a study conducted by Fisher, Cullen, and Turner in 2000 which found that the incidences for rape among women during their college career is one out four. It is frequently cited in other scholarly literature. Here is a link to a Master's thesis that repeatedly cites the finding of Fisher et al: http://sdsu-dspace.calstate.edu/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10211.10/547/Nelson_Holly.pdf?sequence=1 In fact, the opening sentence of the first paragraph of this thesis' Abstract states that "t is estimated that one out of four students will experience rape or attempted rape during their years at college." (citing Fisher et al.)
You can also Google "'one out of four' AND college AND rape" and you'll see the same statistic reported by a variety of sources, including college websites warning students of the risk of campus rape.
And your math gets as fuzzy as fuzzy math can get when it assumes that the only class of persons committing campus rape of women is male college students. That's a ridiculous assumption.
I wasn't trying to insult you, so sorry if it came acroos that way, and my math is based on the numbers given by government statistice. All you said was 1 of 4 women in college were rape victims and I broke down the numbers into percentages.
Even just going by the 98,000 rapes listed nationwide each year including both male and female adults and children, you know the number of those being college aged women is going to be a significantly smaller percentage. It's rare. My main point was that treating men as potential rapists because of a small percentage of them have raped someone intentionally is prejudicial.
What's "rare" about one out of four? A figure that the Department of Justice is apparently willing to adopt? There's nothing "rare" about that. That's a pretty high probability.
I'm saying it's rarer than 25% of all female college students being raped because of the sheer numbers involved and it not matching what the nationwide rape statistics say. 25% of any population being a victim of any crime in the US is nuts.
No offense, but if I have to choose between the well-recognized scholarly research of academics and your "this is what I think," I'm gonna go with the academics.
And why would the figure be far-fetched? We're talking about a class comprised of young girls, close to the age of sexual experimentation, many of them away from parental supervision for the first time ever and living on their own, just reaching the drinking age or close to it, in an environment were drugs, alcohol, and partying are common. That a number of them disproportionate to the general population would fall victim to rape shouldn't be that surprising. It don't surprise me.
Because 25% exceeds the yearly rape statistics from the FBI, a more relibable source in my opinion, and that includes rape at college.
I've been reading about it and the reason it's so off is because they asked if they were forced into sex by someone and 20% said yes (1 in 5), which is a survey giving these numbers, not police reports. Either over a million and a half of college women didn't report it, blowing the FBI's number out of the water or they have different definitions of what "forced sex" is and still didn't report it.
I was techincally forced into sex (according to some definitions) with someone during college after being pressured and regretted it, but I was too randy to keep saying "not now". Point is I wasn't raped even though some people might consider it that. Reason being is that it takes away from the seriousness of real victims of rape with all these vague definitions.
