Teen Arrested for Home-Made "Hot or Not" List on Facebook

[KingsGambit_v1legacy]

Would really need to see the list before errr....you know, making any definitive conclusions.

 

[Artina89]

The kid sounds like a complete jerk, but I wouldn't have thought it was something that you could get arrested for. It wasn't like he robbed a convenience store or killed someone, he only made a list. It just seems a rather petty thing for the police to be involved with, it seems like the kind of thing where the school sorts it out, not local law inforcement.

 

[Bob the frantic]

The kid made a explicit 'hot or not' list and posted it online- Dumb

The police tracking him down for months and arresting him - Dumb

Conclusion - Why did either side bother? There are better uses for their time.

 

[powell86]

25% of college women are raped? You must have heard wrong because do you have any idea how big a chunk that is?

--In the last count taken in 2007, there were 18,248,128 students in the US that year:
--57% of those were women, making it 10,401,433 female students
--25% of that is 2,600,358
--So that would mean 2,600,358 women were raped just in college alone, and going by what you said, probably more than that
--A smaller percentage of men in college means there would have to be a greater percentage of rapists among them, both single and multiple offenders, to prey upon the greater number of women. That would mean anywhere from 30%-50% of male college students were rapists in 2007.

The FBI reported only 89,000 rape cases NATIONWIDE in 2008...

Have to point out - your statistics are going by cases reported to police. There are groups on college campuses that record statistics of women being raped who don't actually report to the police. Hence, the 1-in-4. Unfortunately, those statistics don't really take into account rapes that go unreported to authorities, but that are still reported to crisis or support centers. That's also not taking into account different definitions of rape. According to the FBI, they only report "forcible" rape. Which means things like date-rape or rape where a woman cannot prove *physical* force are often dismissed. Many college rapes fall into the latter category. Women aren't raped by the man in the dark alleyway, they are raped by men they know, often because either party is under the influence, and the opportunity is there.

I work for a living advising students on a college campus. Every thing I've seen in my experience unfortunately confirms these statistics. :-/

and hence i'll label you deluded. since you've failed to provide numbers but rather based your opinion on your biased observations. look at the figures. 1 in 4 = 2,600,358 college girls raped. And that will make what, you encountering 1000 over raped cases in your college alone? Sorry i don't buy that. However, if it is indeed 1 in 4 girls whom you have advised, e.g. girls who have faced issues then yes. 1 in 4 perhaps would have made more sense.

 

[mike1921]

Wow. That's about the most pure, douchiest thing I've ever seen. I'm disgusted, yet undeniably impressed at this douchebaggery.

This.
I'm impressed at how much of a cuntbag this kid is.
Why he got expelled is of no surprise, but why the police had to step in is rather strange to me.
Will someone call the cops when 2 guys play roshambo and one guy gets nutted so hard he passes out?

Wait ? are you serious? Expelled for posting pretty much a "hit it or quit it" list online? Do you understand the consequences of being expelled compared to this dumb list? Detention is the most that should've happened for this maybe suspension. But expelled?

I've known kids that have gotten expelled for much less than this. And seeing as he pretty much offended every single person at his school, it would probably be for his safety more than his wrong doings. Besides, things in the States are silly beyond all belief as it is.

So you know ridiculous reasons people got expelled, doesn't mean this is even approaching reasonable.

You don't expel a kid for his safety over something like this. Really if he offended everyone at his school with this list (that ranks 50 girls out of his school by the way, so either this is a small school or most people aren't involved) to the point you need to take him out of school for his own safety than these are the most thin-skinned teenagers in the world.

Really, if someone got expelled for this I don't know what doesn't get you expelled there. Does everyone who gets in a fight in that school get expelled? Does everyone who gets written up for insubordination get expelled? If you ask me either should be a bigger deal to the school than this list which is basically some kid saying if he thinks certain girls are hot or not.
I've called girls in my school ugly and I've called girls in my school hot, so should I be expelled or is it not what is said but where it is, or instead is it how many people hear about it (and how many people who would be offended are looking at this kid's profile without word of mouth anyway)?
Really the thing I can't imagine is anyone remembering this incident a month from now if expulsion and the cops weren't involved

 

[Kilyle]

It definitely warrants legal action. This idiot caused a great deal of grievous mental and emotional anguish on so many of these girls publicly. That kind of behavior can not be condoned by any authority that hopes to remain credible.

I'm having a very hard time figuring out what sort of law he broke that would require jail time. From what I just read, he didn't offer threats of violence against them. And maybe I'm just out of touch with our legal system, but isn't libel and slander the sort of stuff that lands you in civil court, not criminal court?

Can you arrest an adult for posting a list of the hot girls in his neighborhood and whether or not he'd "do" them? I mean yeah, it would likely cost him his job, and make his neighbors less likely to talk with him and more likely to point and laugh, but since when is this a matter for the police??

 

[Xisin]

Police? For a list of things saying mean things... Damn. Where were the police when I was in high school?

 

[DarthRavanger]

@kilyle, yeah, it's just excessive to the extreme and not something you'd normally expect to get charged with. Heck, I remember when I was in middle school some girl got in trouble in social studies for making a list of people she would kill. She didn't even get a cop called on her and she was basically conspiring to commit murder. This case really doesn't deserve the attention of anything outside of angry parents.

 

[ParkourMcGhee]

Why did we ever teach those oldies how to use the internet?

For that matter, why are they allowed to tell us what we can and can't SAY.

I'd say this impinges on freedom of speech as much as anything else like trying to stop bible bashers or something. It might not be nice to you but you can arrest someone for not even directly insulting you!

I mean seriously.

I think this is getting out of hand :/.

 

[Torrasque]

Wow. That's about the most pure, douchiest thing I've ever seen. I'm disgusted, yet undeniably impressed at this douchebaggery.

This.
I'm impressed at how much of a cuntbag this kid is.
Why he got expelled is of no surprise, but why the police had to step in is rather strange to me.
Will someone call the cops when 2 guys play roshambo and one guy gets nutted so hard he passes out?

Wait ? are you serious? Expelled for posting pretty much a "hit it or quit it" list online? Do you understand the consequences of being expelled compared to this dumb list? Detention is the most that should've happened for this maybe suspension. But expelled?

I've known kids that have gotten expelled for much less than this. And seeing as he pretty much offended every single person at his school, it would probably be for his safety more than his wrong doings. Besides, things in the States are silly beyond all belief as it is.

So you know ridiculous reasons people got expelled, doesn't mean this is even approaching reasonable.

You don't expel a kid for his safety over something like this. Really if he offended everyone at his school with this list (that ranks 50 girls out of his school by the way, so either this is a small school or most people aren't involved) to the point you need to take him out of school for his own safety than these are the most thin-skinned teenagers in the world.

Really, if someone got expelled for this I don't know what doesn't get you expelled there. Does everyone who gets in a fight in that school get expelled? Does everyone who gets written up for insubordination get expelled? If you ask me either should be a bigger deal to the school than this list which is basically some kid saying if he thinks certain girls are hot or not.
I've called girls in my school ugly and I've called girls in my school hot, so should I be expelled or is it not what is said but where it is, or instead is it how many people hear about it (and how many people who would be offended are looking at this kid's profile without word of mouth anyway)?
Really the thing I can't imagine is anyone remembering this incident a month from now if expulsion and the cops weren't involved

Except this kid made a list of 50 girls, posted it on facebook, and distributed fliers around the school. Thats taking it a little too far.
I believe everyone at his school would be offended, because he calls 50 girls hot/not, and the friends of those girls get offended as well. This builds and builds until everyone at the school hates this kid. Thats how high school works.

A fight of a certain severity would probably get expulsion. Usually just a suspension.
Insubordination? What the fuck?
I also think this kid was expelled just because of how big of a deal this was made into. I've seen tiny rumors spread through my entire school before, and it just took a day or even 1 period to spread; its scary how fast that shit spread. Besides that, it was on facebook, which just made the spread that much faster and more widespread. The kid probably got expelled because enough parents made a big deal out of it.

Either way, its pointless to argue about why/how he got expelled, because he did.
I don't live in the States, and I never will, so I don't know what ranks as expulsion in your schools. Judging by this and other articles related to stuff like this, it doesn't seem like much is needed to get the ol' boot.

 

[mike1921]

Wow. That's about the most pure, douchiest thing I've ever seen. I'm disgusted, yet undeniably impressed at this douchebaggery.

This.
I'm impressed at how much of a cuntbag this kid is.
Why he got expelled is of no surprise, but why the police had to step in is rather strange to me.
Will someone call the cops when 2 guys play roshambo and one guy gets nutted so hard he passes out?

Wait ? are you serious? Expelled for posting pretty much a "hit it or quit it" list online? Do you understand the consequences of being expelled compared to this dumb list? Detention is the most that should've happened for this maybe suspension. But expelled?

I've known kids that have gotten expelled for much less than this. And seeing as he pretty much offended every single person at his school, it would probably be for his safety more than his wrong doings. Besides, things in the States are silly beyond all belief as it is.

So you know ridiculous reasons people got expelled, doesn't mean this is even approaching reasonable.

You don't expel a kid for his safety over something like this. Really if he offended everyone at his school with this list (that ranks 50 girls out of his school by the way, so either this is a small school or most people aren't involved) to the point you need to take him out of school for his own safety than these are the most thin-skinned teenagers in the world.

Really, if someone got expelled for this I don't know what doesn't get you expelled there. Does everyone who gets in a fight in that school get expelled? Does everyone who gets written up for insubordination get expelled? If you ask me either should be a bigger deal to the school than this list which is basically some kid saying if he thinks certain girls are hot or not.
I've called girls in my school ugly and I've called girls in my school hot, so should I be expelled or is it not what is said but where it is, or instead is it how many people hear about it (and how many people who would be offended are looking at this kid's profile without word of mouth anyway)?
Really the thing I can't imagine is anyone remembering this incident a month from now if expulsion and the cops weren't involved

Except this kid made a list of 50 girls, posted it on facebook, and distributed fliers around the school. Thats taking it a little too far.
I believe everyone at his school would be offended, because he calls 50 girls hot/not, and the friends of those girls get offended as well. This builds and builds until everyone at the school hates this kid. Thats how high school works.

I am not sure which of us went to a really weird highschool but that just doesn't happen where I live, with things that miro in scale at least. Also, you're operating under the assumption that all 50 of them are extremely outraged, and they all convinced all their friends to be extremely outraged. Well I don't know about this school but lucky for me I go to a much more apathetic school where even if that kind of thing spreads it's no big deal.

A fight of a certain severity would probably get expulsion. Usually just a suspension.
Insubordination? What the fuck?

I am saying I consider insubordination an offense with a similar level of severity to this.

I also think this kid was expelled just because of how big of a deal this was made into. I've seen tiny rumors spread through my entire school before, and it just took a day or even 1 period to spread; its scary how fast that shit spread. Besides that, it was on facebook, which just made the spread that much faster and more widespread. The kid probably got expelled because enough parents made a big deal out of it.

So in other words he got expelled because whoever made the decision is a coward. I hope that you're wrong and they actually at least believe this deserves expulsion.

Either way, its pointless to argue about why/how he got expelled, because he did.
I don't live in the States, and I never will, so I don't know what ranks as expulsion in your schools. Judging by this and other articles related to stuff like this, it doesn't seem like much is needed to get the ol' boot.

I have heard a lot of retarded shit about our legal system and our schools, but not once have I heard a story about someone getting expelled for a bad reason. I know one person who has been expelled from school, and I know him well enough to know he probably did something that justifies it.

There is a kid who took out a knife during a fight in school, and he's still in the district. This should give you an idea of how hard it is to get expelled where I live and how ridiculous this kind of expulsion looks to me.

Also, if there were no reason to argue about how reasonable something is after it happened than there wouldn't ever be any sort of outrage about any event that occurred.

 

[brendonnelly]

Going to juvi for calling people names on facebook, when did peoples spines dissolve.

Who said anything about going to Juvi?

 

[Closet Superhero]

Sounds like sexual harassment to me. And the kid did it on a large scale and in a very public manner. Sure, nearly every guy has at some point expressed similar sentiments about girls in private among their friends. But if you let what this guy has done go unpunished by law it would start to undermine the very point of the law.

 

[dvd_72]

Is the kid a dick? yes. Does he deserve punishment? yes. Should the law have gotten involved? Good god no! with crime as bad as it is, why are the police wasting there time on something as comparativly trivial as this?

edit: with further thought, isn't this kind of what he probably wants? attention? Aren't we playing right into his hands? I doubt he expected people to not react to this, and we've been sensationalising it beyond his wildest dreams.

 

[Mandalore_15]

What a load of bullshit... it depresses me how our civil liberties are being crushed like this. Sure, the kid should have been punished, but socially, not judicially. The school should have suspended him and only let him come back after personally writing and apologising to all those affected. Sending him to court is just fucking ridiculous.

And, tbh, the way American society is going these days, most of those girls probably deserved it...

 

[winter2]

I bet one of the parents created a real big stink about it and just happens to know somebody higher up on the foodchain.

 

[Hop-along Nussbaum]

Is the school and law enforcement overreacting? Oh yeah.

But the kid should have been smarter. No last names, no pictures (if he used any), etc. There is no way the police should have been involved and he should not have been expelled from school.

But, as stated before, he's an idiot. So some remedial "don't be a dumbass" lessons are definitely in order. Our country has gone WAY too far over the top on the political correctness bullshit.

But this is Chicago we're talking about. The same assholes that banned kids from bringing their own packed lunches to school because they were deemed "unhealthy" by the Nazi school board. "Yup, there's just too much sugar in a PB and J sandwich, Timmy! Here, gnaw on this celery stick."

Fuck, I hate people sometimes.

 

[8-Bit Grin]

Treating young girls like grades of meat and rating them on their sexual characteristics like it was the only thing they would ever be worth is so grotesquely abhorrent.

Ever seen the South Park episode involving the same thing?

Probably not since it was reversed.

The girls had rated the guys.

It's not as if some women don't do the same thing.

 

[mastiffchild]

Kid is , natually, a twat. Personally, I was lucky enough not to be bothered by bulies at school-nor did I, unlike hithis kid, USE any form of bullying which is, sadly, where this falls.

Point is we don't even know if he was telling the truth about people's sexual histories or it was lies/supposition or what. If he WAS making things up then this IS a crime(it'd be libel now it's printed)and he deserves a lot of what he got and it should be the same for any and every Facebook/Bebo entry. My daughter has been the victim of a big hate campaign on Facebook where people have lied, not just about her, but about me(I'm disabled but because I still drive a car they have assumed we all sell drugs FFS-"how else can a cripple afford a car?" they said)and even her younger brothers(I won't even tell you the evil they went to there)and if she were weaker it would have definitely crushed her and I can imagine if some of the things on the kids list were BS that a few people on it would be very upset about it.

Teenagers, sure, can be dim, insensitive and over sensitive when it's about them but this year has seen several Facebook bullying related deaths in the UK. So, sure, on the face this looks like nothing that bad but we haven't seen the list, don't know if he lied and don't know how some people on it feel about it or, importantly, if they've been picked on by others or for a long time. Easy to say if someone's upset by this that they have no spine but it gets to kids and if it keeps up they become suicidal. I've seen it and were, again, my daughter not well adjusted she could easily have been a bad victim of this kind of thing.

 

[Joker7]

Indeed, anyone that uses facebook is a fool anyways, you do know thay sell your personal info to 3rd partys right?..