Tekken 7 Character Excluded From U.S. Release After Negative Feedback

[Coruptin]

and nothing of value was lost

 

[144_v1legacy]

Hahaha. Oh wow. He sulked about the criticism so much, and talked about taking his ball and going home. I didn't think he would actually do it.

This sounds like something a bully would say.

You (not you specifically) do not get to be an asshole to someone and then when they say, "fuck you guys, I'm leaving", and then you and your friends go, "What an asshole."

No. YOU were the one being an asshole to start with, you don't get to call him out.

On the same token.

You don't bake cookies for your class and give three students out of 40 a first taste, hear that snotty girl say "God, this tastes like he never baked anything before in his life", then promptly take all the cookies and go give them to the class around the hall.

I wasn't being an asshole. Neither were my other classmates. Why should my whole class suffer for things we didn't have a chance to experience because a small percentage of the class said something? It might not have been my cup of tea, but I would have understood the effort of it.

It's an asshole thing to punish the group for what a minority did. That didn't fly in school, namely because it doesn't fly in the real world either.

I don't think that analogy holds.

Allow me to adjust: he showed a Japanese classroom a picture of cookies, and an American classroom a picture of cookies, and a snotty girl in the USA classroom was obnoxious. But not just a little obnoxious, very rude and she hurt his feelings in front of everyone. And so when he baked the cookies, he brought them to the Japanese classroom.

That does fly in the real world, because you shouldn't have to stay in a place where your feelings get hurt. Even if it's just a few people. He obviously didn't get this treatment from the non-USA audiences, so why should he cater to the many of us who are polite and have to grin and bear the few that piss him off, when he can give a character to markets that appreciate him completely?

It only takes one bully to ruin a kid's school year. If there was just one person who made me feel shitty like this at work, I'd probably want to switch locations too.

 

[aegix drakan_v1legacy]

Yeah, I just heard about this.

I REAAAALLY hope he's kidding about removing her from the NA version. Because seriously, fuck the handful of people going "wah wah wah, me no likey her, me no want her in the game!". You don't just jack content out of a game because a handful of people go "waaaah, me no want that character, take them out!", that's stupid.

Seriously, more variety in fighters is good. For example, I find R.O.B. in smash to be a really dumb stupid character, but I don't want him removed. Other people use him, and I'd rather they use him than one of my own main fighters.

Not to mention that the tekken series already has a fighter who uses breakdancing as his main combat style, as well as there being a giant bear and a dinosaur with boxing gloves. I think the "She too silly to be in the game" argument is kinda freakin' moot. I mean, Bloody Roar (a game about badasses street fighting while turning into Combat Beasts) wasn't a worse game because Yuriko the Half-Beat (ie cat girl) existed, so why is this cat girl a problem? Sheesh.

Seriously, this is almost as bad as the jackholes in League of Legends screaming "Delete Teemo!" every chance they get. Teemo is awesome!

The skinhead comment he made made me chuckle, though. Because I'm sure a fair chunk of the people whining about Chloe in Tekken would ACTUALLY prefer a dumb steroid abusing boring skinhead character instead.

 

[Xariat]

I never understood why people get angry at the developer when they take their ball and goes home. its their fucking ball, they can take it where ever they want. If you wanted to play with the ball get angry at the shitkids who cause the developer to leave, don't join them and attempt to bully the dev back.

If Harada feels like his character is not wanted in the US it is well within his rights to not release the character in the US. And add some fine sarcasm in his reply.

 

[blackdwarf]

I find the design rather dumb. I don't like kawai cat girl shit, but I don't see that as a reason to not like a fighting game, so long there are characters I want to play. Being European means I will get this character if I buy Tekken 7, but I will probably ignore her, unless someone I know is playing her. In that I will just ridicule that person.

 

[xPixelatedx]

If all devs listened to NeoGAF, the entire industry right now would be nothing but Gone Home and Last of Us clones. Please ignore those people and their million+ triggers. I'm so happy the industry denied them a press pass for E3.

 

[ryukage_sama]

This seems like self-aggrandizing on Harada's part. I know he's a fan of the pop idol management genre of games, and this fits in perfectly to that aesthetic. The "skin-head" comment is the most troubling. Simply making certain characters region specific to appeal the biggest demographic in each region makes some sense business wise. That can be done effectively at least some of the time. But throwing out that sort of language toward the comments I saw in 4 pages of the NeoGaf thread seems wholly unjustified. Even the people on their who evidently like anime (based on their avatars) were critical of it, so Harada taking it as some form of racism is almost as bizarre as Lucky Chloe's design as a fighting game character.

 

[StONEdeF]

I kinda like this character. She just looks so cute.

 

[Agente L]

IS there people seriously blaming harada for this, and not neogaf for being for throwing a huge fit?

Come on guys, think a bit.

 

[Areloch]

I REAAAALLY hope he's kidding about removing her from the NA version. Because seriously, fuck the handful of people going "wah wah wah, me no likey her, me no want her in the game!". You don't just jack content out of a game because a handful of people go "waaaah, me no want that character, take them out!", that's stupid.

I don't know. According to this forum, that's a legitimate, customer-friendly stance. Or is that only in context of major retailers? It gets hard to tell with some of the back and forth on here.

 

[CaitSeith]

The funny thing is the stereotype that the developer used for the kind of character the western audiences would prefer. It made me laugh, because it has a hint of truth.

 

[AJ_Lethal]

This is why NeoGAF should be wiped from orbit.

 

[ObsidianJones_v1legacy]

Allow me to adjust: he showed a Japanese classroom a picture of cookies, and an American classroom a picture of cookies, and a snotty girl in the USA classroom was obnoxious. But not just a little obnoxious, very rude and she hurt his feelings in front of everyone. And so when he baked the cookies, he brought them to the Japanese classroom.

That does fly in the real world, because you shouldn't have to stay in a place where your feelings get hurt. Even if it's just a few people. He obviously didn't get this treatment from the non-USA audiences, so why should he cater to the many of us who are polite and have to grin and bear the few that piss him off, when he can give a character to markets that appreciate him completely?

It only takes one bully to ruin a kid's school year. If there was just one person who made me feel shitty like this at work, I'd probably want to switch locations too.

If we want to adjust, we can adjust all night.

I think it's important to define the 'Class' in this situation. The Class, of course, should be North American Tekken players or fighting game enthusiast. Now I don't go to NeoGAF. Any of these other forums. I come here. And even then, not even all gamers come to some type of forum. You might love tekken or fighting games, but you don't spend your time in forums.

so to fine tune this analogy, That picture you talked about was not in front of the class. It was on a Bulletin board that the entire school can look at. That is literally all a forum is. A Bulletin Board that even a fraction of the internet traffic happens to walk upon. And Harada just happened to be walking by and saw that snotty girl from the American Class leaving a stupid note under Harada's picture at that Bulletin Board.

Not in the class. Not as the entire class was gathered. One girl. Saying something. at the Bulletin Board. Now, yes, that might be embarrassing. But it is one girl. And just because she belongs to a group, doesn't mean she represents the group. That's the same kind of thinking that leads people to believe all Muslims are terrorists because there are some Muslim Terrorists, and all blacks are criminals because there are black criminals.

Back to the analogy. I'm walking by the Bulletin Board, as a part of the American Class, and I see that under the cookies picture that the baker Harada says left another note: "Fine, all you American people don't like my cookies, you can only have them if you beg for them!"

Because that's literally what Harada did.

Recently, others have tweeted to Harada asking him not to exclude Lucky Chloe from the U.S. release of the game. Harada has clarified that he does see both positive and negative feedback to the character.

"If you need = I release. If you don't need = I don't release," Harada said.

So. In the end. As a fighting game enthusiast. As a Tekken Player... who said nothing in Lucky Chloe's supposed hate parade by North Americans, I need to rally other fighting game people not to be shafted for something I didn't do. To sate a man's ego. Which I did nothing to offend but I have to suffer his ire because of my location on this planet.

And lastly, and I really want someone to try to figure this out... The Escapist to me seems like it's at least 30 percent European, maybe 40 North American and 30 the rest of the world. Harada has NO IDEA the Ethnicities or the location of those posters. I went to NeoGaf and took a sample to find out. Most people don't even have their profile filled out.

So... What, because it's in english it has to be North America behind it? I saw people saying things about Japan in the forum, I'll give you that. But very few if any posters saying "As a North American, this offends me."

But no. It had to be all from North Americans. For reasons.

 

[Char-Nobyl]

Wait...really? Tekken is a series filled with cyborgs, robots, schoolgirls, Bruce Lee, multiple bears, a boxing raptor, and a handful of characters who also turn into demons sometimes. I'm not really a fan of this character design, but I don't hate it or anything. There's been stupider things in Tekken than a girl wearing headphones, cat ears, and paw-gloves. The worst thing I can really say about it is that it's not really very creative, especially when stacked alongside all those other things I just mentioned.

But Harada sorta sounds like the villain in this story, or at least really immature. One forum really didn't like his new character, so his response was to start throwing insults at every gamer in the Western hemisphere. And also hold the character hostage until enough people beg him for it back.

Somebody should probably also mention that 'skinhead' isn't really a synonym for 'bald,' though.

 

[144_v1legacy]

Allow me to adjust: he showed a Japanese classroom a picture of cookies, and an American classroom a picture of cookies, and a snotty girl in the USA classroom was obnoxious. But not just a little obnoxious, very rude and she hurt his feelings in front of everyone. And so when he baked the cookies, he brought them to the Japanese classroom.

That does fly in the real world, because you shouldn't have to stay in a place where your feelings get hurt. Even if it's just a few people. He obviously didn't get this treatment from the non-USA audiences, so why should he cater to the many of us who are polite and have to grin and bear the few that piss him off, when he can give a character to markets that appreciate him completely?

It only takes one bully to ruin a kid's school year. If there was just one person who made me feel shitty like this at work, I'd probably want to switch locations too.

If we want to adjust, we can adjust all night.

I think it's important to define the 'Class' in this situation. The Class, of course, should be North American Tekken players or fighting game enthusiast. Now I don't go to NeoGAF. Any of these other forums. I come here. And even then, not even all gamers come to some type of forum. You might love tekken or fighting games, but you don't spend your time in forums.

so to fine tune this analogy, That picture you talked about was not in front of the class. It was on a Bulletin board that the entire school can look at. That is literally all a forum is. A Bulletin Board that even a fraction of the internet traffic happens to walk upon. And Harada just happened to be walking by and saw that snotty girl from the American Class leaving a stupid note under Harada's picture at that Bulletin Board.

Not in the class. Not as the entire class was gathered. One girl. Saying something. at the Bulletin Board. Now, yes, that might be embarrassing. But it is one girl. And just because she belongs to a group, doesn't mean she represents the group. That's the same kind of thinking that leads people to believe all Muslims are terrorists because there are some Muslim Terrorists, and all blacks are criminals because there are black criminals.

Back to the analogy. I'm walking by the Bulletin Board, as a part of the American Class, and I see that under the cookies picture that the baker Harada says left another note: "Fine, all you American people don't like my cookies, you can only have them if you beg for them!"

Because that's literally what Harada did.

Recently, others have tweeted to Harada asking him not to exclude Lucky Chloe from the U.S. release of the game. Harada has clarified that he does see both positive and negative feedback to the character.

"If you need = I release. If you don't need = I don't release," Harada said.

So. In the end. As a fighting game enthusiast. As a Tekken Player... who said nothing in Lucky Chloe's supposed hate parade by North Americans, I need to rally other fighting game people not to be shafted for something I didn't do. To sate a man's ego. Which I did nothing to offend but I have to suffer his ire because of my location on this planet.

And lastly, and I really want someone to try to figure this out... The Escapist to me seems like it's at least 30 percent European, maybe 40 North American and 30 the rest of the world. Harada has NO IDEA the Ethnicities or the location of those posters. I went to NeoGaf and took a sample to find out. Most people don't even have their profile filled out.

So... What, because it's in english it has to be North America behind it? I saw people saying things about Japan in the forum, I'll give you that. But very few if any posters saying "As a North American, this offends me."

But no. It had to be all from North Americans. For reasons.

Exactly (more or less). A few bad apples in the Tekken community ruined it for everyone. If you see my first post, I'm glad that for once, a developer has said "I've had it with you assholes." For too long, the gaming community has had a stigma of being made up of jerks who throw bile with no consequence. Maybe now the gaming community has the chance to prove that it's also made up of nice guys.

If that were true, the next thing that would happen would be a bunch of feel-good messages to Harada, asking politely that he change his mind, and that the mean people don't represent the Tekken community. Nice people would recognize that his feelings were hurt, and try to make him feel better.

Instead, the Tekken community is just being more rude to him. I don't think that's the way to get what you want.

Also, I've decided to leave your analogies alone. They don't work so well.

 

[BrownGaijin]

Yo Escapist, check his thread again. I think we've all been punked!

https://mobile.twitter.com/Harada_TEKKEN/status/542583593776599040

 

[ObsidianJones_v1legacy]

Exactly (more or less). A few bad apples in the Tekken community ruined it for everyone. If you see my first post, I'm glad that for once, a developer has said "I've had it with you assholes." For too long, the gaming community has had a stigma of being made up of jerks who throw bile with no consequence. Maybe now the gaming community has the chance to prove that it's also made up of nice guys.

If that were true, the next thing that would happen would be a bunch of feel-good messages to Harada, asking politely that he change his mind, and that the mean people don't represent the Tekken community. Nice people would recognize that his feelings were hurt, and try to make him feel better.

Instead, the Tekken community is just being more rude to him. I don't think that's the way to get what you want.

Also, I've decided to leave your analogies alone. They don't work so well.

Fighting Asshole-ism with being an asshole just makes you an asshole. You want to fight ideas, take the fight to those who voice the ideas. Punishing an entire community for something that they, by and large, didn't do and saying that now you can all show me your worth... is a terrible, terrible strategy for making money.

You can Alanah Pearce [http://jezebel.com/video-game-reviewer-is-contacting-the-mothers-of-her-on-1664381934/+Fahey]'d the situation. Make the actual commentators and abusers look stupid, and I'm right there with you. They were assholes. Go after them.

Nuke everyone from orbit and, as being apart the Tekken Community myself, I wonder what the fuck did I do.

Equating all of the Tekken Community to a few threads in maybe four sites is wrong. It's Fox News Wrong. It's wondering if violent video games lead Adam Lanza to commit the Sandy Hook tragedy [http://www.cbsnews.com/news/violent-video-games-and-mass-violence-a-complex-link/] wrong. It's taking a imperfect, damaged fraction of the whole and saying that fraction represents everything you ever need to know about the whole.

And guess what. I can take your comment about analogies to be rude. You can support it with "Well, they don't" or "It's my opinion". And you're right. In your mind, my analogies don't make sense. And It is your opinion. And I can handle it with maturity and respond in kind. Or choose to just address the issue instead of making another derisive comment back to you. I'm not going to the Mods and complaining that you said something that made me feel bad so there needed to be action taken, since I'm a grown man.

You said something I didn't care for. I stuck to the matter at hand. I got my feelings out and no one had to suffer. That's my point.

 

[flamedance58]

This is why we can't have nice things. Cause people ***** about content and it gets taken away because of it.

Someone is making something for you that you likely can't make yourself.
You ***** about it and now they won't make it for you.
Now you want it back.
Deal with it

If you want this to stop happening then stop bitching because you think a character has a lazy character design. Heck most female characters in fighting games are typically just scantily clad women at best.

 

[And Man]

Are people actually taking this seriously? His tweets are clearly just a poor response to negative reception of the new character because it upset him. Do people honestly think he's going to exclude a character (from a fighting game no less, which are usually very competitive games) from the US release just because some people didn't like the character?

 

[HaWkE_N7]

They'll probably just charge you for the privilege of playing as her by making her DLC at a steep price in the same way Capcom do with their games.