Ten Movies That Will Never Be
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Number 1: All those movie pitches sound pretty boring. Half of them don't even have conflict, which is the entire point of a plot.
Number 2: Lol hamfisted social comentary.
Number 2: Lol hamfisted social comentary.
A lot of these lack any significant conflict, but I get that you were mostly just bucking trends and pointing out where Hollywood portrays race improperly. But still, some of these sounded kinda boring. The best way to fix the portrayal of race or nationality is to take one of those romantic comedies or quirky, life-affirming movies and replace the standard white guy with anyone else. Change nothing else. Just replace the white guy. Done. Then we don't have to sit through "Asian guy/girl that does some stuff and is totally normal" the movie.
I like this idea.seiler88 said:
I'm not a Christian, but the way everyone has to be outspokenly anti-Christian in order to be seen as intelligent and progressive seriously irritates me. I'd love to see a movie where a character was obviously Christian (but didn't talk about it all the time, just like gay people don't talk about being gay all the time), but is still intelligent and progressive.
Satire - noun - The use of humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues.mesoforte said:
The only way that Bob's article does any form of ridicule is simply inversions of stereotypes. That would be like me going "Hey, I just imagined a Catholic priest who isn't evil, power-hungry, or a pedophile! LOL SATIRE!"
1. "Civil Rights movement"
So I take it you did not like the movie "The Help." Still, I fairly certain something like this had to exist, pretty sure "The Rosa Parks Story" fits this pitch, though it's been a while since I've seen it. It is kind of ironic that because nowadays audiences would rather expect to see black and white people interacting together, that's its harder to tell a story about segregation that can be taken seriously.
2. "Young gay man"
That's not really a pitch to what the story about, so yah I'd turn you down for it. As for a romantic comedy with a gay relationship where gays don't fit the stereotypes, seen it done with women. However, with men all of the examples are usually plots around manly men being secretly gay and having to tell their wife, which while not part of your description falls under a stereotype too.
3. Hero of a "War-torn nation" with "no Americans are involved on either side"
A bad way to pitch the movie, but it's been done. "Enemy at the Gate" even manages to tell such a story during WWII, where one Russian guy turns the entire war around and defeats Nazi Germany. This list gets really long if I can include movies occur before America existed, and in fantasies and scifi universes. But setting this movie in modern day with a small nation no one heard about would be very hard to pitch.
4. "Directionless young man rebels" "meets many people who've faced actual hardships"
I think you could pitch this movie, I just hope the producers don't try to make it a reality-TV reaction to rebels force to run into people with actual hardships. Don't think a public nuisance has ever been sent to prison in a movie, maybe jail, but not prison.
5. "A brilliant scientist" "defies societal taboos" "and make the world a far better place."
The pitch should be, let's make a movie about the life story of Nobel Prize winning Norman Borlaug. That guy has saved millions and his work is still considered controversial.
6. "Campaign staffer" to candidate who has "committed various moral indiscretions"
I never saw it before from that perspective, probably because it's assumed to be more boring to make a staffer the main character. Not sure what his conflict gonna be, if he believes in his candidate that much he can just not believe signs of moral indiscretions or simply put the person or the ideals before the act. Staffer/Candidate seems like a less known relationship for audiences than versions of this movie that already exist.
7. "Asian"
Again, you haven't pitch to me the actual plot of the movie, and have basically said "a movie about an Asian with nothing Asian in it." You must believe that the usefulness of a pitch is its emptiness. Well, this has been done independently and outside of the USA lots, but let's be fair Hollywood would be a little less conforming to 2% of the population. Still, I like to say it's been done as Asian actors have taken non-Asian roles and acted more stereotypically White or Latino. But even those aren't screamingly good examples. I think they would take this idea for a pitch, but then have the starting role be before by a white person, who may be altered to look more Asian. Because Hollywood will still completely miss the point.
8. It's a Horrible Life
This could be done as a comedy, otherwise you're basically asking for an entire movie to lead in one direction for the sake of subverting the audiences expectations at the very end. Unexpected plot twists do not make for a good movie, though this ending wouldn't ruin an otherwise good movie either. So it's kind of a nothing idea, compared to what was done before? think you'll need to name some funny or devilish actor who has agree to play the main part for this pitch to work.
9. "A man of spiritually devout" "dead for several minutes" sees no afterlife
A pro atheism movie? The pitch could work, but only when speaking with someone with their own agenda. Someone almost dies and now lives life to thief fullest is otherwise a bland idea on its own.
10. The gods must not be crazy
I really like the idea of this movie, kind of shocked it's not been done before. Classic artifact/mcguffin chase, which subversions of not wanting to keep the artifact, but from the point of view of the primitive guy entering the big city rather than the other way around. Hollywood would have every reason in the world to go for this pitch, which is really my best argument for why they wouldn't.
So I take it you did not like the movie "The Help." Still, I fairly certain something like this had to exist, pretty sure "The Rosa Parks Story" fits this pitch, though it's been a while since I've seen it. It is kind of ironic that because nowadays audiences would rather expect to see black and white people interacting together, that's its harder to tell a story about segregation that can be taken seriously.
2. "Young gay man"
That's not really a pitch to what the story about, so yah I'd turn you down for it. As for a romantic comedy with a gay relationship where gays don't fit the stereotypes, seen it done with women. However, with men all of the examples are usually plots around manly men being secretly gay and having to tell their wife, which while not part of your description falls under a stereotype too.
3. Hero of a "War-torn nation" with "no Americans are involved on either side"
A bad way to pitch the movie, but it's been done. "Enemy at the Gate" even manages to tell such a story during WWII, where one Russian guy turns the entire war around and defeats Nazi Germany. This list gets really long if I can include movies occur before America existed, and in fantasies and scifi universes. But setting this movie in modern day with a small nation no one heard about would be very hard to pitch.
4. "Directionless young man rebels" "meets many people who've faced actual hardships"
I think you could pitch this movie, I just hope the producers don't try to make it a reality-TV reaction to rebels force to run into people with actual hardships. Don't think a public nuisance has ever been sent to prison in a movie, maybe jail, but not prison.
5. "A brilliant scientist" "defies societal taboos" "and make the world a far better place."
The pitch should be, let's make a movie about the life story of Nobel Prize winning Norman Borlaug. That guy has saved millions and his work is still considered controversial.
6. "Campaign staffer" to candidate who has "committed various moral indiscretions"
I never saw it before from that perspective, probably because it's assumed to be more boring to make a staffer the main character. Not sure what his conflict gonna be, if he believes in his candidate that much he can just not believe signs of moral indiscretions or simply put the person or the ideals before the act. Staffer/Candidate seems like a less known relationship for audiences than versions of this movie that already exist.
7. "Asian"
Again, you haven't pitch to me the actual plot of the movie, and have basically said "a movie about an Asian with nothing Asian in it." You must believe that the usefulness of a pitch is its emptiness. Well, this has been done independently and outside of the USA lots, but let's be fair Hollywood would be a little less conforming to 2% of the population. Still, I like to say it's been done as Asian actors have taken non-Asian roles and acted more stereotypically White or Latino. But even those aren't screamingly good examples. I think they would take this idea for a pitch, but then have the starting role be before by a white person, who may be altered to look more Asian. Because Hollywood will still completely miss the point.
8. It's a Horrible Life
This could be done as a comedy, otherwise you're basically asking for an entire movie to lead in one direction for the sake of subverting the audiences expectations at the very end. Unexpected plot twists do not make for a good movie, though this ending wouldn't ruin an otherwise good movie either. So it's kind of a nothing idea, compared to what was done before? think you'll need to name some funny or devilish actor who has agree to play the main part for this pitch to work.
9. "A man of spiritually devout" "dead for several minutes" sees no afterlife
A pro atheism movie? The pitch could work, but only when speaking with someone with their own agenda. Someone almost dies and now lives life to thief fullest is otherwise a bland idea on its own.
10. The gods must not be crazy
I really like the idea of this movie, kind of shocked it's not been done before. Classic artifact/mcguffin chase, which subversions of not wanting to keep the artifact, but from the point of view of the primitive guy entering the big city rather than the other way around. Hollywood would have every reason in the world to go for this pitch, which is really my best argument for why they wouldn't.
The problem isn't quite the fact that those ideas are pretentious, is that people need the energy to convince a studio exec to make said movie. Most of those ideas remind me a lot of some of those more semi-comical-mostly drama movies where they will only get the big-corporations just barely enough to survive, and usually will go straight to video unless you can credit a big-named actor.
Sadly, none of these ideas really stand out without having to put some sort of 'umph' to it that you probably won't like. Why? Because they just will. The studios try to cater to 'all' audiences, which makes it hard to sell these types of works.
Sadly, none of these ideas really stand out without having to put some sort of 'umph' to it that you probably won't like. Why? Because they just will. The studios try to cater to 'all' audiences, which makes it hard to sell these types of works.
Are there really any movies where the "God's Domain" argument against science is actually used and turns out to be right in the end? Maybe something like Frankenstein would qualify, but I can't remember the last time I heard a "we shouldn't have meddled" argument in a film that ended with "because of God." Besides, there are films where (straw) Christians are proven wrong; I'm thinking of the The Mist off the top of my head.
lol these pitches aren't bad at all, although it's mostly for laughs.
I get the sense that Bob is trying to be as radically different as possible compared to what
Hollywood normally does. Sometimes realism doesn't always work very well. Same can be said for being totally fiction.
I would like it if both some of Bob's and Hollywood's ideas collide. Wonder how that would work out.
I get the sense that Bob is trying to be as radically different as possible compared to what
Hollywood normally does. Sometimes realism doesn't always work very well. Same can be said for being totally fiction.
I would like it if both some of Bob's and Hollywood's ideas collide. Wonder how that would work out.
a story about a black guy who goes on to become part of the Civl Rights movement without needing to be spurred along by a white guy?
Malcom X by Spike Lee, a balck guy in one of the worst places goes on to become the figurehead of civil rights, more important perhaps than Martin Luther King (albeit he is not the guy we like to remember) his greatest suppporters and his greatest villains were all african american.
a brilliant guy who, despite all odds and "against gods domain" made a great advancement for mankind?
the aviator
a movie about a fight for freedom that does not at all involve america what-so-ever.
Defiance, USA is only mentioned as were they emigrated to.
I could also mention 300 as having nothing to do with USA but moviebob might get annoyed.
or the seven samurai.
I will look others as I go.
but really, where is Serenity 2 for the list
Malcom X by Spike Lee, a balck guy in one of the worst places goes on to become the figurehead of civil rights, more important perhaps than Martin Luther King (albeit he is not the guy we like to remember) his greatest suppporters and his greatest villains were all african american.
a brilliant guy who, despite all odds and "against gods domain" made a great advancement for mankind?
the aviator
a movie about a fight for freedom that does not at all involve america what-so-ever.
Defiance, USA is only mentioned as were they emigrated to.
I could also mention 300 as having nothing to do with USA but moviebob might get annoyed.
or the seven samurai.
I will look others as I go.
but really, where is Serenity 2 for the list
For once I have to agree, usually I think you're spot-on Bob... But here? My God, could you QQ any harder?Stall said:
I was going to say.Kimarous said:
Ninja'd.The key component to satire is comedy. If there is no attempt at comedy and it's just subversion, it's not as much satire as beating your audience with the 2x4 of political ideology. If Jonathon Swift had said, "hey you know what would be nice? If the rich DIDN'T oppress the poor! Yeah!" He couldn't claim satire, because it's not satirical. It's just preaching. Instead, he gave us this:
http://art-bin.com/art/omodest.html
Everytime Bob discusses religion I get the feeling he was molested by a priest when he was a kid.
