The Big Picture: Boy's Own Adventure

[QUINTIX]

It is an issue of mental illness and degeneracy, and my two children will never see this show. Our country has a serious problem with gender digression, and I'm tired of it. It's a problem that needs to be cured, not celebrated.

Yes, I know some people are afflicted with feeling like the opposite gender. We should treat these people just like we treat everyone else, but at the same time we need to think about where we want our country to be in 50 years time, if we still want standards, decency, and morality for our children's children, and those of us for whom it concerns are going to keep fighting back against what we think is sending us down a very dangerous path.

You're really not going to be happy in a half century. The rest of us are going to remember MLK's words that the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice.

I for one plan to enjoy this show, and see no problem with it, but I would like to raise a point of disagreement:
Yes, it bends towards justice, but I would not be so certain that justice takes the form you imagine. I will still repeat and assert the next generation will bring a surprise or three for those who still take up the mantle of the sexual revolution, especially against the population of churchgoers who actually believe God preserved His word (of whom I'm sure includes MLK). I see the future bringing fewer out-of-wedlock births and fewer dead beat dads for example, especially here in the U S of A, where those are unusually high.

 

[TrulyBritish]

But that's just my take, and seeing as I live in a rather nice part of Britain, no one I know really makes a fuss over homosexuals anyway.

Oooh? Which part? Maybe I can *cough* "make you an offer".

I study in Newcastle, although I originate from Hull. Whereabouts are you?
Plus I think you misunderstand me, as I said I have a *cough* "friend"... that's who'll have to accept the offer

 

[Cpt. Slow]

and watch the fireworks.

There won't be any fireworks, you're alone.

 

[maximara]

Man my dad watches Fox news.

I watch it to make myself laugh.
Seriously.

GO and watch it, it is funnier than Colbert or Stewart, without even trying to be.

I love hearing them RAGE about NEW THINGS.
"X, X IS DESTROYING 'MERICA!"

There is a reason some people call it Faux News

But I hope Shezow *does* show that there are changes coming.

I mean look at how much got changed in the Sailor Moon anime to make it "proper" for US audiences when it first aired: Zoisite, a male, got changed into the female "Zoycite" to hide the fact that in the anime Zoisite and Kunzite were a homosexual couple; Uranus and Neptune got changed from lesbian lovers to cousins; and the entire Sailor Stars season with its transgender Starlights never got shown on US TV in the 1990s.


Of course cross dressing has been a joke for a looong time--one only needs to look at the Bugs Bunny cartoons of the 1930s and40s to see that. Pokemon has been playing that joke with James dressing up as woman many times.

So I am kind of puzzled as to why it is a big issue *this* time. Like MovieBob said it not like Guy Hamdon is a Starlight (ie actually changes sex) so why are the conservatives going Chicken Little over something that has been shown to children since the 1930s ie *80 years*?

 

[Lady Larunai]

Ignoring all posts, I was wondering when Bob would get round to this, Its not a bad show but personally the puns are a bit too much for me.

 

[Dascylus]

So yeah, drop in a bucket for LGBT BUT......

You know what it is a potential fountain of. An interesting take on how we view one gender as inferior to another ie. Feminism.

Boy has to wear girl clothing, literally stepping into her shoes and not only is he unhappy with it but he gets mocked by his male friend.
Women do get treated differently and this show could have some nascent lessons to teach young minds.

 

[omicron1]

Conservaphobic attacks of opportunity.
I mean, it's not like Bob's the only staff member who regularly attacks my worldview and beliefs, but he has a role which allows a certain amount of neutrality - should he choose to accept it. He does not. This rankles.

What makes you think conservatives are anywhere near half of Bob's audience? And why should his role be neutral? He's a critic and commentator - he's not a judge. he has no duty to be neutral.

In any case, it was hardly even an attack on conservatism. It was an attack on idiocy. Or do you think Fox News somehow accurately represents conservatives as a group? I don't quite understand what the worldview that's being attacked is - people who think that boys should never dress in "female" clothing? I think you'll find plenty of conservatives who cross-dress.

Instead of just reacting, why don;t you explain to us what the problem is with the cartoon, and why it goes against your beliefs?

I said 'prospective' audience. EG if Bob (and this site in general) weren't so blatantly liberal, they would be able to interact with the population of conservative gamers you seem to think is a minority. Absolutely, it's a minority on this site... Because this site is liberal, and hostile to conservative views.

As for 'idiocy'... The idea that Fox News is somehow a less legitimate news source because of its worldview? When (according to an independent study recently) CNN is equally biased and MSNBC is three times worse? Is exactly the problem. In a nutshell, it's an attitude of "My beliefs are right, and your beliefs are stupid, so shut up and let the smart people run things." My point is this: people who think gender is immutable and binary have just as legitimate a view as people who think it's a loose spectrum, and deserve equal respect. And I say this as a transwoman.

Now, as for the show itself, I have no problem with it - except that the hero can't be bothered to pitch his voice up and comes off like a stereotype.

 

[TsunamiWombat]

I'm surprised that as a Film Student, Bob didn't reference the entire genre of movies that already exist based around this trope (man disguising self as woman for X-Reason), some of which are considered classics like Some Like it Hot. The only difference is in those movies the comedic point is that the men are disguising themselves as women, whereas in this the comedic point is how silly 'girl superheroes' are by concept (why would you divide superheroes by gender?)

 

[TrulyBritish]

I study in Newcastle, although I originate from Hull. Whereabouts are you?
Plus I think you misunderstand me, as I said I have a *cough* "friend"... that's who'll have to accept the offer

East Anglia, but I'm going Ooop Nort', like next year. And I made the offer because he's your *cough* "friend". Not just a "friend". You don't get to dodge it that easily.... >

Whereabouts you headed? Although I think I do have a couple of friends studying in the Anglia area...
And please pay no attention to the *cough* behind the curtain...

 

[TsunamiWombat]

shit goes here

Except Conservative views are themselves by and large, harmful and phobic. Asking "liberals" to play nice with the people spewing hate speech is rediculous. And i'm a none of your business.

The Escapist isn't a "liberal slant" media outlet, it's a Media outlet lacking in the traditional Conservative bias blasted across TV by Rupert Murdoch. Most of the internet would qualify as a "liberal slanted outlet" by this bias.

 

[TrulyBritish]

Whereabouts you headed? Although I think I do have a couple of friends studying in the Anglia area...
And please pay no attention to the *cough* behind the curtain...

Durham. And is it the kind of "Bend over and cough" cough?

Oh, so not too far then. I always wanted to study at Durham actually, good place for history.
And I'm going to cut short any jokes about "bending over" in a conversation starting with issues of bisexuality here

 

[Mid Boss]

Geeze, and my folks wonder why I don't like reality... humanity better pray I never get superpowers.

THIS! I would totally be a world dominating super villain.

But take heart. The world will be a better place. Even if it is under my boot.

 

[maximara]

Oh shit, this takes me back to the days when Ranma 1/2 was being aired in public TV (we had no fancy cable back then), I thought the show was hilarious, but having a mom that's even afraid of her own shadow wasn't easy, but I still managed to watch many animes back then, heck, we got the uncensored versions of many animes (that's why it always pisses me off to watch the US version of Dragon Ball Z).

Try Dragonball Z Kai (because the original Japanese track is a crime against humanity, it is the 4kids dub of original language tracks). Edited out the filler and re-inserted the violence and good stuff.

I have one question...and it's a very serious one.

When can we finally sue/criminally charge Fox News and/or any of these other overly conservative groups for what basically amounts to harassment of the GLBTQ community and those that support them?

Seriously...this crap is getting out of hand and a line needs to be drawn.

Nope, because Rupert Murdoch is an evil genius. By telling a court in the early 2000s that Fox News is "entertainment" and not "news", they can say whatever they want and claim it was satire when challenged. It's a disgusting legal loophole.

Actually Fox withdrew from Fox News Network, LLC, v. Penguin Group (USA), Inc., and Alan S. Franken (2003 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 18693; 31 Media L. Rep. 2254) regarding the whole "Fair & Balanced" after Judge Denny Chin threw out their request for an injunction and warned Fox that the very phrase "Fair & Balanced" itself could be invalid.

I can't find any court case claiming Fox News was "entertainment" and not "news" in fact all I could find was only some really off the wall stuff by Free Wood Press and a reference to the February 14, 2003 Florida Second District Court of Appeals case involving Akre and Wilson where it was ruled that the FCC's news distortion policy is not a "law, rule, or regulation" under section 448.102 of the Florida Statutes and so they were not allowed whistleblower protection.

 

[Mid Boss]

?The decision to classify Fox News as satire has come after several years of evaluation regarding the sources of their reporting, and the bias of their programming. While much of their content is based on legitimate news, it is spun is a way that cannot not be deemed newsworthy to the viewing public. If Fox News so chooses to report actual news stories of legitimacy without skewing the content we may overturn our decision and reclassify the network to a valid news source once again.? (FCC 2012)

Well the FCC is clearly a liberal ran organization! They didn't get the memo that having all male panels discussing women's reproductive rights (how they shouldn't have them) and how evil it is that women are gaining economic ground on men qualifies as unbiased, fair and balanced news!

I can't get over what great lengths conservatives will go to to defend Fox News. I was arguing with one once about this audio clip Fox had edited. Took me several posts just to get the guy to listen to the original clip unaltered. Then I asked him if that pissed him off that his news source BLATANTLY lied to him. And his defense was that it was ok. They're conservatives so it's all ok.

So, as long as you label yourself a conservative, you have millions of people in this country who will defend everything you say and do.

Which is why I'm running for the republican candidacy for president! My platform is that we must blow up the moon or... gay, transsexual, minority, atheist, Muslim, Hitler will come and socialize our medicine!

I'll have thousands marching in the streets with pictures of the moon slashed out in red chanting "Hey ho the moon must go!"

 

[Le_Lisra]

What would these morons think if they watched/read Ranma 1/2?

Personally, I don't care. Sounds like a fun thing if I'd still be 12 years old.

What astounds me however is how bad the animation looks. Looks like 2 dudes did it at home with flash oÔ

I watched ranma 1/2 and i'd tell you it's literally the tom and jerry of anime where after the first 20 or so episodes literally no one developes as a character and the whole plot is one great big giant hamster wheel.

And I loved the show LOL and I'm telling you this.

Well you are not one of those morons I meant. I assume.

The anime does rather stagnate, it's true... but since the manga goes a bit batty towards the end, maybe that was all well and good.

 

[omicron1]

shit goes here

Except Conservative views are themselves by and large, harmful and phobic. Asking "liberals" to play nice with the people spewing hate speech is rediculous. And i'm a none of your business.

The Escapist isn't a "liberal slant" media outlet, it's a Media outlet lacking in the traditional Conservative bias blasted across TV by Rupert Murdoch. Most of the internet would qualify as a "liberal slanted outlet" by this bias.

N.O.
I'm sorry; I will not get into a debate with closed-minded individuals who consider me inferior for my beliefs. Either you speak on an even, respectful basis, or don't speak at all.

 

[Mid Boss]

shit goes here

Except Conservative views are themselves by and large, harmful and phobic. Asking "liberals" to play nice with the people spewing hate speech is rediculous. And i'm a none of your business.

The Escapist isn't a "liberal slant" media outlet, it's a Media outlet lacking in the traditional Conservative bias blasted across TV by Rupert Murdoch. Most of the internet would qualify as a "liberal slanted outlet" by this bias.

N.O.
I'm sorry; I will not get into a debate with closed-minded individuals who consider me inferior for my beliefs. Either you speak on an even, respectful basis, or don't speak at all.

Oh this is where we get into this huge thing where the forum posters bombard you with many many examples of Fox News and conservatism as a whole being all about straight, white, christian, and preferably rich, men while throwing all others under the bus. Well, throw is such a strong word. More like shove. We might need their votes some day. And you defend them because they're conservatives and everything they do and say is right and thinking otherwise is blatantly Un-American. And then, when that fails, resort to personal attacks.

Hold on. Let me get some popcorn.

 

[theApoc]

Social change should come because of a change in how SOCIETY thinks, feels, behaves.

The society is not some kind of magic entity. It's made up of people.
And this is a huge group of people, a subset of the society, saying they're ready for a change.

If this was a "HUGE" group of people this wouldn't be an issue. And as someone else pointed out, most of the "outrage" is coming from the people reporting how much outrage there is over this nonsense.

The people who shout the loudest, don't generally represent the "majority".

 

[jaymiechan]

Bob kinda glossed over the fact that LGBT issues, especially these days, tends to leave the B and T behind, as well as the concerns for LGBT youth, focusing purely on assimilation theory and gay marriage.

I'm curious how you came to this conclusion that bisexual and transgender parts of the community are getting left behind. They are fighting the same struggles as gay couples for things like marriage equality. If anything it's only that transgender individuals have more to fight for, because they have it harder than probably any group on Earth, likely being the least accepted people alive.

And don't take this as combative, I'm honestly curious. I'm an activist for LGBT rights, and in college wrote all my English and Philosphy papers on the subjects, along with feminism.

Because the fight isn't only about gay marriage. it is about LGBTQ youth being bullied and made homeless by closeminded or bigoted parents. It is things like the HRC pushing for a non-trans-inclusive ENDA or telling a trans sign holder at the display at the Supreme Court to take their sign down (to the point of one of the heads saying they will support trans rights "over her dead body"). It is Bi people being told they only need some time to find out they are actually gay. It the fact that most people call marriage equality "gay marriage", and only fighting for marriage right now, instead of protection or hate crime laws that would've protected people like Matt Sheppard or Brandon Teena. It is that there is a single-mindedness for marriage equality that it actively undermines legal precedents for trans folk who identify as straight being allowed to marry the one that they want. It is a good deal of people still following Janice Raymond or thinking transfolk are misguided gays who are mutilating their bodies, or will ruin the LG attempts at getting what they want. It is something that is so bad to the point that Stephen Colbert pointed it out, saying that the LGBT agenda is moving so fast he doesn't even know what the B & T stand for (Bacon and Tomato?).

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/423359/january-30-2013/coming-out-benefits---gay-rights

 

[TrulyBritish]

And I'm going to cut short any jokes about "bending over" in a conversation starting with issues of bisexuality here

You don't have to worry about bending over.

[sub]....It's what happens next that you have to worry about![/sub]

Hey now, you haven't even offered to take me to dinner yet...