The Big Picture: Correctitude

[370999]

I agree to an extent with Bob. Yes you should be nice and inclusive to people, you should be fair, you shouldn't be bigoted. But at the same time you should not be forced to be. Another poster mentiones Geert Wilders and that is an important point, people should be allowed to say what they want.

 

[Tanis]

Is this the soap box of a white, (near) middle class, heterosexual male who's white knighting?
SHAME ON YOU BOB!
Don't get me wrong, I agree with the 'trolls' part - asking if Obama is our first black president or just a white boy in black-face is retarded (Yes, I've seen that question posed) - is just being a jerk.

However during the last election, and sometimes even now, I've been required to 'justify' not voting for him or else someone tosses the damn race card in my face.


Now, answer me this:
Why is it my ex-girlfriend, who was black, could say 'the n-word' in public but I couldn't for fear of being labeled a racist?

Yet, at the same time, being white in a mostly Hispanic community I was called all sorts of slurs and if I ever used one against said Mexicans I was the 'real bad guy'.

Should I be penalized for the color of my skin while others get a free past just because maybe their parents or grandparents went through crap?


Double standard are BS - either we're all equal or we acknowledge someones' superiority.

Either a slut is a slut - regardless of genitals - or the person is just 'sowing the wild oats'.

When the ship is sinking it shouldn't be 'women and children first', it should be 'children and their parents first - regardless if they have an inny or an outie'.



RE5:
You do realize that...

1) Some of those 'stereotypes' are based on truth.
2) Most people I recall complaining about RE5 was more because white dude killing black dude.
3) Most games exploit social issues - FF10/FFT bad mouthed the Catholic Church and in FFT the main point of the game was to kill Jesus - but an evil female version.
4) It's a Japanese game and it's not like they've got a whole lot of black people in Japan, ever watched anime? Most black people in anime are basically just 'doing the white-face'.

 

[wildcard9]

P.S: "Gringo" is not a racial slur on par with the N-Word: it just means "white person" while the other is a hateful, disgusting term. That is all.

Actually the N-word comes from the Latin word "niger" meaning black.... Your argument is silly.

It probably also comes from the Spanish word for black...Negro. But a little context: I made that case after certain pundits called gringo a racial slur [http://www.youtube.com/user/TheYoungTurks#p/search/1/j8i1OpdJMS0].

 

[Shadow_Kid]

Holy crap Bob!
This has caused the most WALL-OF-TEXT answers ever and we are only on the third page?

 

[pffh]

For a long time now I've held the unpopular opinion that RE5 was indeed fucked in terms of depictions of race.

And it's not even about a white dude killing black zombies. You encounter zombies, you're gonna kill them, no matter what race you or they are.

No. It's not about the zombies, but it is about this;

Spoiler

That's not sexy. It's just offensive.

Why is that offensive and this

Spoiler

isn't?

 

[Emergent System]

To be entirely honest my "problem" is that I think a lot of the groups that I criticize can do a lot better, they can meet the same standards set by the majority, humans are humans. People who think that these groups need to be protected ultimatly have attitudes that come down to those people somehow being unable to do better, which is why the protection is nessicary. On most levels that's actually far more bigoted than I am, and an even worse kind of sugar-coated racism than what the politically correct hope to decry.

I agree with pretty much everything you just wrote, and especially this part. People tend to glaze over the fact that "benign" racism is still racism.

 

[Rabidkitten]

However during the last election, and sometimes even now, I've been required to 'justify' not voting for him or else someone tosses the damn race card in my face.


Now, answer me this:
Why is it my ex-girlfriend, who was black, could say 'the n-word' in public but I couldn't for fear of being labeled a racist?

Yet, at the same time, being white in a mostly Hispanic community I was called all sorts of slurs and if I ever used one against said Mexicans I was the 'real bad guy'.

Should I be penalized for the color of my skin while others get a free past just because maybe their parents or grandparents went through crap?


Double standard are BS - either we're all equal or we acknowledge someones' superiority.

Well, no one said that racism is reserved for white people only. You have every right to be offended when they insult you based on your race, but it doesn't justify you using racial terms against them. You simply lower yourself to their level.

 

[PhiMed]

Do you know any comedians who are politically incorrect who are, you know, still alive? Just sayin...

 

[DuctTapeJedi]

Dude, this definitely needed said.

Gold star for the week, Bob.

 

[Necromancer1991]

Frankly I do agree with most of the points you make (glad to see I'm not the only one who thinks south park has a brain )

 

[wildcard9]

Why is that offensive and this

Spoiler

isn't?

Because that's not offensive, it's tacky

 

[Euphoriaxd]

I´m not from north america and i don´t know about half of the people that appear on this clip...

But that was an awesome episode.

 

[TheRightToArmBears]

What's wrong with Chairman? Why do we need to change it to the clunky unnatural sounding Chairperson for example? Yeah I get the actual chair might be a woman, but woman and women have man and men in them, so big bloody deal. Let it be a language hold over like calling a judge "your honour"

Oh another that really irks me, if the flight attendant thing, there were already perfectly acceptable English words for those jobs, Steward and Stewardess, what the hell was wrong with them? And while I'm on the subject of jobs, you're not an auto repair technician, you're a mechanic, there are perfectly good words that people refuse to use for stupid reasons.

Things like actress/actor or stewardess/steward imply that there is a difference between the two roles, when there isn't. Also, it implies that the feminine term is lesser, as suffixes like 'ess' or 'ette' are also used to describe miniturisations (Cigar>cigarette). English is inherently sexist and whilst I wouldn't really call anyone out on it, it makes sense to change it. You wouldn't dream of calling anyone a 'Lady doctor' these days, so why is 'male nurse' acceptable?

On the subject of chairman, you can just say Chair.

 

[J.McMillen]

Good show, though I question why you're attacking Jeff Dunham for this. Sure, he has some racist puppets, but his comedy doesn't really deal with political correctness (at least not that I've seen). If you're calling him out for racist jokes, you also need to call out every comedian you mentioned at the end there.

Carlos Mencia, on the other hand, I can totally understand. You'd be hard pressed to find a joke of his that doesn't attack political correctness.

I've got to agree about Jeff Dunham, it's the puppets that say politically incorrect things and Jeff admonishes them for it. And what the puppets do say fits their personality.

 

[RedRingRico]

Bob, I think I may love you. Thank you so much for saying this all out.

 

[PhiMed]

For a long time now I've held the unpopular opinion that RE5 was indeed fucked in terms of depictions of race.

And it's not even about a white dude killing black zombies. You encounter zombies, you're gonna kill them, no matter what race you or they are.

No. It's not about the zombies, but it is about this;

Spoiler

That's not sexy. It's just offensive.

Why is that offensive and this

Spoiler

isn't?

Because we're not supposed to fantasize about the traditional dress and stereotypes of ethnicities who view themselves as losers in the current political environment. Them's the rules. So no Pocahontas, either!

 

[370999]

I agree to an extent with Bob. Yes you should be nice and inclusive to people, you should be fair, you shouldn't be bigoted. But at the same time you should not be forced to be. Another poster mentiones Geert Wilders and that is an important point, people should be allowed to say what they want.

Nobody's stopping bigots like Geert Wilders from saying what they want, or any other bigots like the throngs who inhabit these forums. They just don't get a pass on being called out for it. They are free to say it, not free from criticism for it. What is so hard to grasp about that? Why is it always "help, help I'm being repressed" every time the subject comes up?

That's akin to saying "You are free to take X's property" and then unleashing the police upon them, it's a very different use of free. Wilders is on trial, that's not criticism (which is fine and healthy) but actually censoring what can be said. Why is it so hard to grasp that distinction?

 

[tyriless]

On that scandal, the knee-jerk response was as you called it "Whitey shooting Blacks", OMG!. That response developed well before the game came out and fermented up to the release date. However when the professional reviewers got hold of the game they where able to express the games issues with more finesse, describing as Bob said that the game was really insensitive, and listed the reasons why.

 

[Squarez]

And lastly, people should be allowed to say whatever they want (unless it´s threats, ofcourse), no matter if it "offends a certain group of people" if i say everone who eats...i dunno...chicked sallad are dim-witted cocksuckers, i should be allowed to say that. I should be ignored, because i´m stupid, sure, but i should be allowed to say it.

If it seems strange that i brought up that last point, in Sweden, we have a law that says you are not allowed to insult someone based on religion, gender or race.

Of course people should be able to say what they want, there's no "political correctness" law or anything where you have to be nice to everyone. But if you're saying something offensive man the fuck up and deal with the consequences; don't complain that the "PC brigade" is taking over or something, like a little *****.

As Bob said, "words mean things", if you're deliberately gonna be offensive it's not everyone else being overly sensitive if someone says "hey man, not cool". Just like if you were taking the piss out of someone for being, I dunno, fat or something.

 

[Emergent System]

For a long time now I've held the unpopular opinion that RE5 was indeed fucked in terms of depictions of race.

And it's not even about a white dude killing black zombies. You encounter zombies, you're gonna kill them, no matter what race you or they are.

No. It's not about the zombies, but it is about this;

Spoiler

That's not sexy. It's just offensive.

Why is that offensive and this

Spoiler

isn't?

'Cuz they have an inferiority complex about their culture, to the point where they find it offensive to be reminded of it at all.