The Big Picture: Done With Dark

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NinjaDeathSlap said:
I wasn't remotely worried about Thor going down the Transformers route. Surely after Spiderman, Spiderman 2 (not so much Spiderman 3 though), Iron man, Iron man 2, (haven't seen The Incredible Hulk so I can't comment) we know by now that Marvel know how to make good movies. (Let's just pretend the X-Men trilogy never happened, it was their first try)
The spiderman movies are from Sony, the X-Men movies are from Fox. Both studios got their rights from Marvel before there was a Marvel film studio.

And BTW the first X-Men is a good first chapter and character introduction, and the 2nd X-Men is excellent. And I say this as an old-time X-Men fan who read the Phoenix Saga when it was originally published. (Of course, the 3rd movie is a piece of excrement.)

NinjaDeathSlap said:
One thing I do want to know as I'm not a comic buff myself even though I like superhero movies...

Is Spiderman going to be in The Averngers movie? I don't think I've ever seen him on any of the original comic book images of them that Bob has shown but seriously, what is Marvel without Spiderman?
No, because the spiderman rights are with Sony still, and they're making another reboot trilogy to keep the rights. So no spidey in the Avengers movie.
 

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Redem said:
Kinda mixed over this episode

First part is good, the Watchmen/Dark Knight returns observation especially good, however I think you kinda use "dark" to define anything that over-complexifiy itself (and if I hear transformer movie being a point of reference, I think I'll scream)

While you can easily see that bay-former and 90's comic are pretty much made with the same mindset, its not really one of grit and "realism" its more juvenile adolescent fantasy of big guns and big boobs. The tranformer movie didn't have any pretension of being dark and gritty or mature. Whatever plot there is just filler, because they probably thought CGI robot as main character would probably get too expansive.

Plus while I know you dislike the 90's when you reference tranformer being simple I can't help but think of Beast Wars, which was a tranformer franchise with a good ammout of sophistication and yet was about robot that tranform in animal
I agree with you
 

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Abandon4093 said:
I'm sick of you ragging on the 90's. Especially their comics.... Especially, especially Spawn.

News flash.

The golden age of comics sucks donkey balls. The silver age sucked more of the same.
Completley wrong. As Batman: The Brave and the Bold has shown, shark-repelant and Detective Chimp rock!
 

Deacon Cole

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I never liked these darker super heroes because despite what some say, they are not more mature. They are a child's idea of what's mature. Reminds me of little boys discussing sex, thinking sex occurred in a girl's anus because they are unaware of the existence of the vagina.
 

LasseZ

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As much as I think that this grittiness thing has been slightly overdone on the Batman, I don't feel that trying to make Superheroes a little darker or trying to interpret their character in new directions and discussing new themes through the lense of an old comic book character such as the Batman is really such a bad thing. It's actually not that badly done in most recent superhero movies and I don't think that this new, darker style has taken the characters into a direction which makes them less enjoyable for a younger audience!

If you think about it, a lot of the recent movies about superheroes weren't actually THAT gritty or dark at all! Especially the Hulk, Spiderman or Iron Man movies, which were really fun to watch for both adults and youngsters, who don't (and don't have to) care about or understand the "deeper, (sometimes) ironic, intellectual points about it" to enjoy these movies. If they DO understand or care about these undertones that just enhances the experience for them.

I would have thought that you would be quite fond of this new direction superheroes have taken in the movies! After all, as you said, they make people who were probably pretty biased against the subject realize that "comics aren't just for kids anymore," thus gaining a larger audience for them and increasing their fan-base.

But maybe you are just bothered by your fascination with comics, which has apparently (and sadly enough) earned you a lot of bullying and alienation in your youth, suddenly moving into the focus of a main-stream audience, leaving you as just another fan, instead of a rather unique, but alienated expert on the subject (as was "indicated," happened to your knowledge of horror movies after the first Scream movie in your Scre4m review...)
Just some thoughts from my point of view.

EDIT: I just want to add that I don't think superheroes are supposed to be part of any intellectual discourse or anything. They are fantasies to escape to from time to time and don't have to be extraordinarily intelligent or "mature!"
 

Moffman

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Good points BoB and well backed up with some well chosen films. The only super hero film the "dark and grity" has reeeaaaally worked on for me was the Dark Knight. I think it's because, let's face it, having your parents killed is pretty horrible/ dark and gritty. So Batman's able to stay in this Dark place because he came from such a dark place.
That's why I accept it any way :)
 

rddj623

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Couldn't agree with you more Bob. And don't get me wrong I like Frank Miller and Todd McFarlane, as well as those gritty Punisher Max comics. I truly dig all that stuff. But that shouldn't be all encompassing of a genre, or time period. Variety is the spice of life, and every now and again I'd rather read Scott Pilgrim which is just plain fun, or Chew which is a sort of melding of stoic sarcastic hero with his gritty surrounding.

Let's get over grit being the be all and end all. I'm really excited for a space viking with a magic hammer!
 

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HankMan said:
Your NEVER too old to see the appeal of a Space Viking and his magic Hammer!
Or too young! As much as I love me some grimdark "mmmmmmmm" I also love simple experiences that appeal to all ages.
 

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Or, in an acorn, Penance wasn't a better character than Speedball; he was exactly as silly and one-dimensional, but in the opposite direction.

To be honest, that may be a bit unfair to Speedball.
 

tkioz

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What's wrong with Thor coming out in Australia first? 90% of movies come out in the US or Europe first, it's very very rare that Australia gets a major release first, until the last few years we were often forced to wait weeks or months before they came out here at all... so yeah... leave off, we're getting some love for a change.
 

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NinjaDeathSlap said:
Aw crap, seriously? What did they look at the previous movies and say "Wow these were really good, but I think what would be even better is if audiences spent the entire thing watching pre-spidey Pete get the shit kicked out of him while making goo-goo eyes at MJ"?
It took me a few seconds before I got the last part. Never having been to fond of spidey my mind conjured up images of a different MJ, making it a bit weird.
 

dkyros

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Its the being surrounded by darkness that makes people like my little pony.
Bob is surrounded by darkness.
Therefore...

Just a theory.
 

PrinceofPersia

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Definately something to think about Bob. And I have to agree I am getting tired of all this grim and gritty = mature as well. I'm also tried of the zombie apocalypse, I much prefer the werewolf apocalypse.
 

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Agreed 100%.

My son and I have this trade paperback of a voltron comic which was made recently. There's nothing really kid unfriendly in the language or storyline, but the writer seemed to feel obliged to throw in a ton of cuss-words that really don't belong in the material. Generally I edit them out when I'm reading it, but I worry because he can read it too now.
 

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ANImaniac89 said:
Its kind of funny but Spawn was the reason I got into comic in the first place. I was a fucked up kid and I liked the dark tone, the violence and the T&A that came from 90's era comics. Now I can't stand 90% of 90's era comics most of all the the slop the Todd McFarlane farted out when building his empire of easily broken toys and grim and gritty comics.
Thats the thing though...you got into Spawn when you were just a kid, Spawn and all of its copycats were (allegedly) for grown-ups. Every single one of those comics were ostensibly markets to the mature audience, but the only group those comics appealed to were kids.

Comics of the 90s couldn't have missed their audience harder if they tried.
 

GiantRaven

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Noelveiga said:
Superhero comic books suck if you're a grown up. Period. Altogether. Regardless of whether they're gritty or not. If you're in your twenties or thirties you have no business reading about superpowered men in tights punching each other, no matter how the subject matter is treated.

Some of us do, but some of us are immature twats that need to grow up and get laid.

The rest of you, the ones with lives, jobs, girlfriends and who knows, maybe children, you're doing two terrible things.

a) Throwing your life away. There's much more interesting stuff out there you can read. Some of it is even in comic book form.

b) Screwing comic books up for everybody. The kids like their Spider-man, so let them have it until they grow up past it. And other creators would prefer to not be writing Spider-man, so maybe go buy their stuff and let's try to make comic books into a vaguely legitimate art form again beyond the half a dozen hippie idiots who can't draw or write doing autobiographical black and white fare because somebody read Maus once and thought it was a pretty good idea.
Eugh. Really? I can only presume you are trolling to the highest degree. To make just one comment, comic book fans are throwing their life away by reading and experiencing something that they personally enjoy? Are people not allowed to enjoy things you don't like? Along with that, the act of liking comic books does not forgo the act of liking other mediums of entertainment.
 

Professor Poopants

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Sandman was largely written in the 90s, targeted towards a grownup audience, and it was pretty good. It was a reboot and a vast improvement on the original. So there it is, all day, what it do?

Seriously, if you kids haven't read Sandman, you should.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sandman_%28Vertigo%29
 

Necromancer1991

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Hey hey hey, why are you going after Todd McFarlane, if anyone flooded the 90s with crappy comics it was Image Comics (Yes I'm aware that McFarlane worked for them, but he didn't put out garbage [Relatively speaking that is, I'm personally a fan of Spawn] like his fellow "writers" from Image), especially Rob Liefeld, if you even google his name the first thing to pop up in "The 40 Worst Rob Liefeld Drawings". Overall you make a good point on the "Gritty Remakes" thing, they gave us this gem after all...

P.s. Sorry if I'm like the 2nd or third guy to make this jreference
 

Fortesque

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I was sceptical about Thor... But it was actually pretty Bad-Assed.

I saw it the day it came out.

(And yes, Suck to you America. Australia got it first!! Although thats probebly due to Hemsworth playing the main role.)