it's lucky really you don't really encounter this sort of behaviour on the Escapist
that's right, i'm an escapist fanboy now
that's right, i'm an escapist fanboy now
The Big Picture: Fair Game
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In our culture we tend to think in binary pairing and this is a symptom of that.
That having been said, I think Mr. Bob missed the fact that "fanboy" is really an appeal to ridicule rather than an expression of some belief in the need for fairness. I mean, if we agree with a person then we are not going to call them out as a fanboy for being unfair.
No, the problem is not that we feel like we need equality. The problem is that people do not know how to argue a point beyond ad hominem attacks and other choice logical fallacies.
That having been said, I think Mr. Bob missed the fact that "fanboy" is really an appeal to ridicule rather than an expression of some belief in the need for fairness. I mean, if we agree with a person then we are not going to call them out as a fanboy for being unfair.
No, the problem is not that we feel like we need equality. The problem is that people do not know how to argue a point beyond ad hominem attacks and other choice logical fallacies.
I don't mind the shield system, specifically in the first one, because they used that in combination with a health system (if you lost your shield, there were still 5 blocks? of health you had to go through) which justified the super-totally-awesome-chocolate-coated-super-armour and worked well into the game mechanics and story.WOPR said:
Metroid Other M did something similar. If you run out of energy(0 energy) you don't fully die, you're in critical, and you have a chance to regenerate some health, by hiding and holding down... B? (I don't fully remember) which works into the story, because Samus has a FREAKING POWERSUIT, she's not insta-killed when her health runs out.
It's games like CoD and the new halo games that have pure regenerating health which bugs me... So much for combat evolved... This is a bit off topic though...
The console wars are so stupidly heated I find, as well as are the OS wars. (Mac vs PC) it's ridiculous how people are always prejudgmental of the other owners, expecting them to be "fanboys" (Bob's right, I'm starting to hate that term). Now if you're actually arguing with a fanboy (someone who calls the Xbox the Shitbox, or bashing the Wii for no real reason) get the fuck off your high horse, each console has it's flaws.
People who aren't though, it drives me crazy when I get called out for bringing up a problem that I have with my console, OS choice (I'm a mac user for the most part) and get called out for being a fanboy. What the bloody hell!! am I right?
I remember i told this guy that street fighter was my favorite fighting game. He got so bent outta shape that i didn't like 3D, I NEVER SAID I DIDN'T LIKE 3D. i just stated that Street Fighter was my favorite, Soul Caliber is my second favorite, but by that time he was telling me 2D fighting games are retard and trying to piss me off so i ignored him.
I personally would have to disagree on that point. They're not exactly alternatives, as they're bound to different systems. For someone that doesn't have a Playstation, playing gears would cost far less than killzone, and vice versa. Additionally, if they already had both, they could very well buy both, disposable income permitting. They're no more alternatives than any other non-essential goods of similar price.Flying Dagger said:
When giving an opinion on a game, it hardly seems fair to have to explain why someone should buy a matress, or an old mobile phone instead.
given that Bob's Anti Thinker is inherently satire, and goes against previously established personna it is kind of unfair to point to this as Bob being wrong. He was after all suppoused to be int hat case. as far as Metroid and "Worst Person" you seem to be missing the general point of this episode.oneshotfinchy said:
Bob un-apologetically holds an opinion that runs counter to the popular one, and states that the popular opinion does not hold sway. futher he backs his opinions with observations he makes on the subject matter at hand, thus presenting his reasoning for others to take or leave. If Anything people how blasted him on Heavens to Metroid, or Worst Person (and other associated Overthinker Projects) are the very Fan-boys that are being addressed here. and Bobs solution, give the fan boys a hi- five, especially the ones that disagree with him.
You should note that we rarely if ever have seen Bob react or verbally retaliate to people who bash him. the only times I can think of are when he released a short video to the screw attack audience politely asking for patience while his Anti-Thinker experiment panned out.
Ah, so true. So true.MovieBob said:
Then again, I was already a Movie Bob Fangirl.
And a Yahtzee fangirl.
And a fangirl of the Loading Ready Run/ENN crew.
Well, that just added "fanboy" to the blacklist of things to say alongside "Cool Story Bro/a", "kid", and so forth.
Funny enough, the first couple of paragraphs from Extra Punctuation [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/columns/extra-punctuation/8560-Extra-Punctuation-On-Multiplayer] reflected on this obsession people have with "fairness".
While "fairness" is something we should strive for, having a thesis does not merit the negative backlash it often receives.
I laughed at the ending
Funny enough, the first couple of paragraphs from Extra Punctuation [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/columns/extra-punctuation/8560-Extra-Punctuation-On-Multiplayer] reflected on this obsession people have with "fairness".
While "fairness" is something we should strive for, having a thesis does not merit the negative backlash it often receives.
I laughed at the ending
Can't say I'd noticed that at all.
What I have seen is that there will always be a person who will attack your opinions as they differ with their own and instead of constructing an argument will simple rely on yelling.
But that's not the same thing.
I actually support the idea that people should consider other sides of the matter prior to reaching a decision. I also support that this should only be self enforced and that it doesn't apply to everything.
If your just stating that you enjoy something you shouldn't need to justify it, that's an opinion.
But if your going to say that one thing is greater than another then you should justify it, as your not stating an opinion, your forming a review.
What I have seen is that there will always be a person who will attack your opinions as they differ with their own and instead of constructing an argument will simple rely on yelling.
But that's not the same thing.
I actually support the idea that people should consider other sides of the matter prior to reaching a decision. I also support that this should only be self enforced and that it doesn't apply to everything.
If your just stating that you enjoy something you shouldn't need to justify it, that's an opinion.
But if your going to say that one thing is greater than another then you should justify it, as your not stating an opinion, your forming a review.
Uhh what "cult classic" even at the best of times wasn't a Box Office failure? I doubt Scott would have done much better if it was up against "The Last Exorcism". If you make a movie for a niche group you are going to attract that niche group (don't forget "nerds" are only the majority on the internet because they are the most vocal). Couple that with a polarizing star (lets face it either you love him or hate him) and you will be lucky to break even. If you make a movie with wider appeal you will attract a wider audience.Delusibeta said:
I've been there many times. I have made it known in several locations that I think J-RPGs are better in every conceivable way than Western RPGs. A lot of people that like games like Fallout took offense to this and used the same old tired argument about how there is freedom in them, even though there's not, about about how you have control over your character, even though they are just manikins, and about how you have freedom over the plot progression, even though that same freedom exists in J-RPGs.
I am pretty sure some of them are going to find this thread and I get to hear these arguments again, including the one where they said that they played Final Fantasy VII, like that means anything to me or this argument.
I am pretty sure some of them are going to find this thread and I get to hear these arguments again, including the one where they said that they played Final Fantasy VII, like that means anything to me or this argument.
How DARE Bob say, "I'm Bob"?! Friggin' fanboy of first names!
Doesn't he realize he has one, maybe two OTHER parts to his name that he didn't even bother to mention?! How completely unfair to those who introduce themselves by their last names or perhaps their whole names!
We need some sort of doctrine to combat this!
Doesn't he realize he has one, maybe two OTHER parts to his name that he didn't even bother to mention?! How completely unfair to those who introduce themselves by their last names or perhaps their whole names!
We need some sort of doctrine to combat this!
I don't know, I think you're taking it a little to far Bob. Just because I say, "I like Gears of War" doesn't mean that some ass hole is going to call me a fan boy.