The Big Picture: Maddening
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haha, you're wrong. I rarely comment on his show and don't watch it a lot specifically because I usually disagree with him (this also addresses your comment about every video I watch giving him revenue).joebear15 said:
I also am well aware he will probably never read this, but who the hell else am I supposed to address my comments to. If I'd known you cared so damn much I'd have addressed it to you joebear. Here's something to think about though, if there is a king of bitching it is someone like bob. He makes a living out of it. I'm not in the habit of getting into internet arguments, so I'll just stop here.
I'm not too sure that I like Bob's /soapbox episodes. He comes across as someone who just really is too passionate about it. I understand you got to stick with your guns, but really, all you are doing is giving those who want Michael Vick to be on the cover more ammo. Although, if Vick does go on the cover and EA ends up not making as much money because of it, won't it be good since they will reconsider putting out another Madden game?
That guy is obviously a scum..
Arranging dogfights and gambling on them is actually very low..
But dear Bob for fuck sake.
To say why people buy sport titles from EA; and that they are buying a roster update?
My first football(aka:soccer) game was FIFA International for game boy when i was 11yr old..
Since then i bought games for NES, SNES, PC, PS2, PS3..
After the NES era only 2 companies remained to make decent football games.. EA and Konami..
So.. If you are football fan and a gamer, you will buy the EA or Konami product.. or pirate it.. lol x_x
The last 3 years FIFA is a better series for my taste, in sigle and online mode, therefore I buy it..
People shouldnt be smug about things they dont even bother to understand/appreciate..
Arranging dogfights and gambling on them is actually very low..
But dear Bob for fuck sake.
To say why people buy sport titles from EA; and that they are buying a roster update?
My first football(aka:soccer) game was FIFA International for game boy when i was 11yr old..
Since then i bought games for NES, SNES, PC, PS2, PS3..
After the NES era only 2 companies remained to make decent football games.. EA and Konami..
So.. If you are football fan and a gamer, you will buy the EA or Konami product.. or pirate it.. lol x_x
The last 3 years FIFA is a better series for my taste, in sigle and online mode, therefore I buy it..
People shouldnt be smug about things they dont even bother to understand/appreciate..
I find it offensive that vick still has a career in football at all! I am a convicted felon myself and what i was convicted of was threatening someone with a weapon... no where near as heinous as vick... He goes to jail "does his time" and then is right back to his multi million dollar job... I on the other hand (not having jail time) "did my time" and now cannot even find so much as a job at mcdonalds despite having completed high school and one degree in college... bull shit!
I actually agree that Michael Vick should face the full force of his deserved opprobrium every time anyone tries to hand him an award or ANYTHING good. This is the proper way to deal with this sort of moral turpitude.
On the other hand, I actually don't think that dogfighting should be illegal (not everything immoral should be illegal--prostitution and drugs should also be legal although those activities can also be immoral). Bob's quote about the man "serving his time" is an example of what happens when you attempt to replace moral judgment with LEGAL judgment.
In all truth, Vick should have been fired, and I despise the NFL for being willing to employ him, no matter how good he may be.
On the other hand, I actually don't think that dogfighting should be illegal (not everything immoral should be illegal--prostitution and drugs should also be legal although those activities can also be immoral). Bob's quote about the man "serving his time" is an example of what happens when you attempt to replace moral judgment with LEGAL judgment.
In all truth, Vick should have been fired, and I despise the NFL for being willing to employ him, no matter how good he may be.
I should have written "Bob, when I do watch your segments I almost always disagree with you" or "when I actually comment on, or get through one of your segments I almost always disagree." Trolling is a waste of time and is not what I'm doing.C_Topher said:
Also i never stated that dogfighting was acceptable. In fact it is pretty horrible and indefensible. That's why he went to jail and was punished for his crime. However, I vehemently disagree with your assertion that animals are on the same level as humans. I don't think the jews, blacks, or native americans were dependent on anyone for their survival, mostly because they have large brains and complex emotions that animals lack.
Humans are on a whole different plane, and to act as if they're not is just ridiculous.
I'm glad he was caught and that he's turned his life around. Perhaps he should not be on the cover of the game, perhaps he should. All I'm saying is that I find it interesting that people are so obsessed with this particular crime and criminal enough to ignore the other people in the nfl who have committed crimes against human beings.
So it was the fact that he's eligible to pose for the madden cover that made Bob call him scum, rather than his habits of dogfighting?MonkeyPunch said:
Actually as a turnaround he could be on the cover of Madden as a role model of doing his time and turning over a new leaf... That would actually be a smart PR move for him along with PETA donations.
I am surprised to be in almost total agreement with Bob this week. I think if Vick is trying to turn his life around, there are far more redeeming pursuits than sports he should be participating in at this point. Maybe I don't know what I'm talking about and he is donating most of his paycheck to animal shelters, but I doubt it.
Yes, and I don't mind being excluded for not liking something. But I do mind being excluded for living in a place where the subject simply doesn't exist. The Super Bowl has started airing here though, well after midnight though. And we don't have the same commercials, which is all I'd be interested in.RowdyRodimus said:
Susan Arendt said:
While I agree that torturing and killing dogs for entertainment is repugnant and ethically wrong, I have to respectfully disagree with the condemnation of Vick.roostuf said:
Nature is far more creatively cruel than Michael Vick could ever hope to be. There are many examples, but the first that comes to mind are wasps that implant their parasitic larvae into living caterpillars:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UkDMrG6tog
I submit that even this incredible cruelty does not imply that we should condemn the wasps as monsters deserving death.
Declaring a person ethically bankrupt and distancing ourselves from that person is perfectly acceptable, but we must remember that some of our own behavior will inevitably be against the morals of Someone. Wearing a leather belt and eating a hamburger may be against the morals of a devout Hindu, does that give him justification to condemn me and MovieBob to death? Is the Westboro Baptist Church justified in their moral condemnations?
I unequivocally do not agree with Vick's choices regarding dog fighting. However, so long as he does not harm humans, I do not believe that we, or the government, have the right to prevent him from doing what he pleases on his own property with his legally owned animals.
I completely agree that Vick should not be honored with this, even though the honor is also often seen as a curse.
The whole "why would anyone buy Madden 12" thing, however, I disagree with. You do the same thing, Bob. You even came close to admitting it in this video. You buy Super Mario games, whenever they come out, knowing full well it will be as dissimilar to the last one as Madden 12 will be to Madden 11. Generally, I respect your opinion, and am genuinely amazed at how often you admit your own shortcoming and biases, but in this case, you are dismissing a bias that is so similar to your own as to be different in title alone. People buy the next Madden game for the same reason you buy the next Super Mario Bros. game. They enjoyed the last one, and because it will be so similar, they know they'll enjoy the next one. There's some comfort in buying a game in a series you like, because you know that you'll like it.
The whole "why would anyone buy Madden 12" thing, however, I disagree with. You do the same thing, Bob. You even came close to admitting it in this video. You buy Super Mario games, whenever they come out, knowing full well it will be as dissimilar to the last one as Madden 12 will be to Madden 11. Generally, I respect your opinion, and am genuinely amazed at how often you admit your own shortcoming and biases, but in this case, you are dismissing a bias that is so similar to your own as to be different in title alone. People buy the next Madden game for the same reason you buy the next Super Mario Bros. game. They enjoyed the last one, and because it will be so similar, they know they'll enjoy the next one. There's some comfort in buying a game in a series you like, because you know that you'll like it.