Is it? what is the "fix"? how much does the fix cost?Elamdri said:Because "fixing" something is expensive and gaming companies are a business. A company like BioWare certainly could probably fix the ending of Mass Effect without really cutting hard into the bottom line. But what about other companies?
umm no ones "forcing" Bioware to do anything. The decision of "fixing" the ending is entirely theirs, even when fans "DEMAND" an ending that means about as much to Bioware as beg.Elamdri said:What happens when it comes time for them to create a game?
"Well guys, should we try something risky and innovative?"
"Well what if we screw up? Look what happened to BioWare. They messed up and people forced them to make a new ending to their game. We couldn't do that. No, we better just make Gears of Halo: Modern Combat 5. "
"Well guys, should we try something risky and innovative?"
"Well what if we screw up? Look what happened to Westwood, Troika, Iron Lore, Factor 5, Shiny Entertainment. They messed up and went out of business. That could happen to us. No, we better just make Gears of Halo: Modern Combat 5. "
And even with smug comments in hand, and a flimsy auteur theory argument, he plainly depicts the on-going problems with Bioware, legitimate shortcomings of Mass Effect 3 (ending and the game itself), and the strawman arguments used by the gaming press to defend Mass Effect 3's ending.MovieBob said:Ye. Gods. The sheer level of smugness in that video is STUNNING - and please keep in mind who's saying that.wootsman said:This best explains the whole Mass Effect 3 controversy.
Auteur theory can't apply to video games because they're team-efforts? So is film, which is where the medium the phrase "Auteur Theory" was originally coined for. "Staff of fan-fiction writers?" The same tired "these people have no qualifications!" trashing of game journalists? "You're just praising 'art games' to sound smarter?" Give me a break.
Sounds like trollbait to me.Squidbulb said:Most gamers, especially the fanboys, and presumptuous arrogant morons who will sulk whenever they get something that isn't perfect. I've especially noticed this with Mass Effect fans who want everything to be exactly as they imagined it and nothing less. Seriously, just grow up and get over it, there's no use crying over a video-games, and a rather mediocre one as far as I'm concerned at that.
Bioware don't owe you anything. If an ending to a game is seriously the worth complaining about than you need to seriously consider a brain transplant. If I thought it would do any good I'd march on over to heaven and ask for Edd Gould back but I know that sometimes life just isn't fair and you can't complain about every little problem because the universe doesn't revolve around you.
I hope movie bob got paid for that bad decision, otherwise he just lost the respect of a lot of the people that watch his videos for no damn reason. How it a good idea to lash out at the geek culture who he caters to with most of his videos?cursedseishi said:That's likely exactly what he did. He has come out and said before that he has practically ZERO experience with the Mass Effect Franchise in general, and probably wouldn't be able to tell you the difference between a Geth and a robot.Masterdebator said:I imagine Bob took the ME3 scandal as just another case of "nerd rage" or something, and simply decided to speak down to everyone (once again) and lash out at "geek culture" (as if the term "geek" or "nerd" mean anything in today's technologically and internet driven society).
Yet instead of sticking to the age-old system of "Speak of only that which you are knowledgeable of", he jumps ass-first into the situation.
Which, of course, makes it oh so easy for him to just throw away any comment about it in favor of his own. Worst yet, is he's pretty much the same way with Nintendo over, oh say, Sony. If it isn't swaying under Nintendo's crotch, he'll more than likely hate the crap out of it for no real reason whatsoever.
I hate to play the broken record about Mass Effect 3. Yet I'll say it as it has been said other times. Taken as a whole series (like it should be), the ending doesn't line up with everything else. Throughout the first two games, you were able to shape the endings to a satisfactory conclusion, with the endings having just enough to ensure you feel as though your choices mattered.
Mass Effect 2 and it's final hour or so of gameplay is a shining paragon of this. Every choice you made, the quests you taken on, it all culminates into one final set piece. Characters live or they die depending on what upgrades you've made, whose loyalty you worked to gain, and how quickly you reacted to the threat.
Mass Effect 3 shuffles even all illusions of player-choice aside by sweeping everything under one generic rug. Did you save this or alter that? Well it doesn't matter because either the Reapers had a spare in their pocket, or either way they all join right up in the end (even if your choice was supposed to be guaranteed protection from that). Any little thing that may help you, no matter how big or small, is reduced to a simple statistic.
You honestly can't tell me that in those final moments, you weren't wanting to see everything come together like it did in ME 2. You can't tell me that, when that final assault begins, that you didn't want to see all the races you chose to help or sided with coming together for a final ditch effort to take out a galactic threat.
I've always respected Bob as a pretty educated guy. A bit overzealous with his feminist ideals, but he's a good critic of films nonetheless.I.Muir said:I hope movie bob got paid for that bad decision, otherwise he just lost the respect of a lot of the people that watch his videos for no damn reason. How it a good idea to lash out at the geek culture who he caters to with most of his videos?
Because it's a film and the audience of a film has no input on how the narrative operates.Elamdri said:Bob ragged on a lot of stuff, but I don't remember him ever demanding that someone change their work because he was unhappy with it.
Bob only managed to show he knows diddly fuck about Mass Effect 3's flaws and is entirely ignorant towards people's complaints. And its kiss ass fanboy posts like these that destroy forums.Jegsimmons said:Bravo Movie bob for putting them in their place.
you know what buddy, i disagree with half of what bob says at the time, but i can see he is right on this issue, you fan boys will ***** about anything mass effect related and think it should appease you, guess what, april mother fucking fools.Masterdebator said:Because it's a film and the audience of a film has no input on how the narrative operates.Elamdri said:Bob ragged on a lot of stuff, but I don't remember him ever demanding that someone change their work because he was unhappy with it.
Mass Effect as a franchise is a special case in the sense that it's narrative is entirely driven by player choice, so when that choice is inexplicably taken away at the finale of ME3, when it never had been during ME1 or 2, people should be understandably confused and upset, even more so when the ending delivers no sense of closure and makes all there "difficult decisions" and every single choice throughout the trilogy irrelevant.
The fact that Bob didn't bring this up shocks me.
Comparing being upset with a film's ending to ME3's ending is absolutely redundant and does not fly.
Bob only managed to show he knows diddly fuck about Mass Effect 3's flaws and is entirely ignorant towards people's complaints. And its kiss ass fanboy posts like these that destroy forums.Jegsimmons said:Bravo Movie bob for putting them in their place.
He didn't put anyone in their place. You can't when you're entirely clueless to the issue at hand.
Bioware isnt a company it is a label.. a brand name... a shield for EA to hide behind.A company like BioWare
Choice wasn't taken away at the end of ME3, you just didn't get choices you wanted.Masterdebator said:Mass Effect as a franchise is a special case in the sense that it's narrative is entirely driven by player choice, so when that choice is inexplicably taken away at the finale of ME3, when it never had been during ME1 or 2, people should be understandably confused and upset, even more so when the ending delivers no sense of closure and makes all there "difficult decisions" and every single choice throughout the trilogy irrelevant.
Oooh, false equivalency. We needed some of that going around.zephae said:If failing to deliver what you said you would in interviews and press releases merits and FTC complaint, then you might as well just have an open complaint on Peter Molyneux.
IMO, the mark of a skilled RPG narrative is when the developers successfully anticipate most rational choices players will want to make.Elamdri said:Choice wasn't taken away at the end of ME3, you just didn't get choices you wanted.
Actually, I don't think much has changed. A patch has always been a good solution to a problem that shouldn't have existed in the first place.Revolutionaryloser said:Not that I want to argue that point, but I find it interesting that gamers have developed some sort of Stockolm Syndrome where we now demand patches whereas a few years ago the mere idea of a patch was too horrible to imagine.