The Big Picture: Off the Charts
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It's like you're trying to drench me in bad memories. Not that the experience was awful, but, that plot man....Stabby Joe said:
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One thing you be sure of... A movie based on Uncharted will be a movie that has nothing to do with the video game Uncharted. And that is a good thing.
Nobody is going to make a feature length big budget actioneer "to make the game make sense."Kruxs said:
One thing you be sure of... A movie based on Uncharted will be a movie that has nothing to do with the video game Uncharted. And that is a good thing.
..."for a western developer", REALLY Bob? Taking that, and you saying all the hate against Other M was just because people are racist against Japan has officially made it impossible for me to take you seriously when talking about games.
Luckily, I still mostly agree with you on movies and comics, and I agree with your movie-rants most of the time, especially the "Hollywood doesn't take ANYTHING seriously" bit. Too true.
Luckily, I still mostly agree with you on movies and comics, and I agree with your movie-rants most of the time, especially the "Hollywood doesn't take ANYTHING seriously" bit. Too true.
I usually have some disagreements when Bob talks games, but I'll backseat those, because...
Uncharted? Reaaaally? I can't make myself give a fuck about the game uncharted, much less a movie uncharted. There are so many other games...Dragon Age, Bioshock (anything made by Bioware already has good story going for it), Metal Gear solid is almost a movie already, but Uncharted?
This is not the Video Game your looking for.
Uncharted? Reaaaally? I can't make myself give a fuck about the game uncharted, much less a movie uncharted. There are so many other games...Dragon Age, Bioshock (anything made by Bioware already has good story going for it), Metal Gear solid is almost a movie already, but Uncharted?
This is not the Video Game your looking for.
Now I'm worrying about the Green Lantern movie AGAIN. I had just gotten it, and how it is clearly trying to cash in on the popularity of Tony Stark's character archetype by changing Hal Jordan into him, out of my mind.
I thought that the great video game movie was already made. I think it was called "Scott Pilgrim vs. the World".
uncharted as a story was terrible but it was a fun game to play i cant see them being able to make a good movie out of it but then again they have taken good games and ruined them maybe they can take a bad one and turn it into somthing reasable
wishful thing on my part i think but hey gotta hope that they get it right one day
wishful thing on my part i think but hey gotta hope that they get it right one day
Don't forget Mass Effect.Zhukov said:
Seriously, why did he say "for a western developed game? Is it because JRPGs are always so fresh and innovative? Lol, I know it's an opinion, but this is about as close to factually incorrect an opinion will ever be.
I'm gonna have to agree with Bob on this one, in theory...themerrygambit said:
Quick question about Van Hellsing. Does he have a generations-long feud with Dracula or fight a large array of monsters (mummies, Frakenstein's monster, werewolves, fishmen, possessed suits of armor, witches, zombies, the Grim Reaper, and many other mythical beasts)?
It's quite possible that the hypothetical movie would be a Van Hellsing knock off, but...unless I'm wrong in assuming they aren't both stories about vampire hunters having to fight through a Kitchen Sink Mythology of minions with a magic whip to get to Dracula...I think it'd stand out if done correctly.
It's quite possible that the hypothetical movie would be a Van Hellsing knock off, but...unless I'm wrong in assuming they aren't both stories about vampire hunters having to fight through a Kitchen Sink Mythology of minions with a magic whip to get to Dracula...I think it'd stand out if done correctly.
I could see it working if taken seriously. Elven-esque warrior has to navigate a large kingdom, going through multiple trap-filled dungeons to secure...the macguffin of whatever Zelda they're adapting, acquire a legendary sword, go through some deadlier dungeons, then confront an immortal soccersor/warrior. Add in a subplot of Zelda either evading Ganon or undermining him from within his castle, depending on how early she gets kidnapped, and you could have an interesting narrative, interesting set pieces, and awesome action scenes.
Two brothers fighting through an army to save a kingdom--not only by rescuing the princess, but by also freeing them from military oppression. That, along with the setting (basically, use the "8 uniquely themed worlds" to have a variety of set pieces in the movie) could make at least one good movie.
The characters could be expanded, as the spin offs (particularly the RPGs) have already started. Mario, judging by his reactions upon meeting people who don't know him, seems to be a bit full of himself. Luigi definitely feels inferior to his brother--he makes up stories to impress Mario in Thousand Year Door and in Super Paper Mario has a couple of Koopa Kingdom guards trick him into helping them by playing up his heroic status.
Peach is usually sending Mario information in the Paper Mario series, which plays with the idea of the damsel in distress already, since she uses the oppurtunity to do some spy work. But in Super Paper Mario, she joins the team, and one of the recuring bosses mentioning how often she needs rescuing results in Peach ordering Mario and Luigi to stay back while she fights the boss herself...basically, her status as a macguffin in the platformers is Peach's beserk button.
Bowser, in the RPGs (of course) is often portrayed as a pretty cool boss. His minions seem to like their job, and the only reason he's invading the mushroom kingdom is to see Peach again. Military as a means of stalking...now that's creepy. Of course, none of the four mains are as fleshed out as they could be (and really, they don't need to be for the style the games are going for), but that's enough of a foundation for a good writer.
Sure, make the movie kid friendly--don't want an R-rated Mario flick. But this could work in a Pixar/Disney/Don Bluth/(some)Dreamworks kind of way. Okay for the kids, but good enough where the adults won't be bored while watching. In other words, it doesn't have to be a feature length episode of the Super Mario Bros. Super Show.
The characters could be expanded, as the spin offs (particularly the RPGs) have already started. Mario, judging by his reactions upon meeting people who don't know him, seems to be a bit full of himself. Luigi definitely feels inferior to his brother--he makes up stories to impress Mario in Thousand Year Door and in Super Paper Mario has a couple of Koopa Kingdom guards trick him into helping them by playing up his heroic status.
Peach is usually sending Mario information in the Paper Mario series, which plays with the idea of the damsel in distress already, since she uses the oppurtunity to do some spy work. But in Super Paper Mario, she joins the team, and one of the recuring bosses mentioning how often she needs rescuing results in Peach ordering Mario and Luigi to stay back while she fights the boss herself...basically, her status as a macguffin in the platformers is Peach's beserk button.
Bowser, in the RPGs (of course) is often portrayed as a pretty cool boss. His minions seem to like their job, and the only reason he's invading the mushroom kingdom is to see Peach again. Military as a means of stalking...now that's creepy. Of course, none of the four mains are as fleshed out as they could be (and really, they don't need to be for the style the games are going for), but that's enough of a foundation for a good writer.
Sure, make the movie kid friendly--don't want an R-rated Mario flick. But this could work in a Pixar/Disney/Don Bluth/(some)Dreamworks kind of way. Okay for the kids, but good enough where the adults won't be bored while watching. In other words, it doesn't have to be a feature length episode of the Super Mario Bros. Super Show.
Like Castlevania or Zelda, Metal Gear might appear at first glance to be a generic movie stuck in the cliches of its genre...until five minutes into the military espionage they that Snake's up against a telepath, a shape shifter, a cowboy, a cyborg ninja, and a bipedal tank.
Of course, the biggest problem would be fitting the script into the time frame for a movie, which I'm not confident that they'd do well. Just watch most book-to-movie transitions...they cut out stuff that, in the long run, creates nothing but plot holes when it turns out they made a big mistake. A bigger risk than the others, but certainly not impossible. Besides, the Codec calls need to be trimmed down anyway.
The real appeal to these hypothetical great video game movies is the settings, not just the plot. Dracula's castle, the Kingdom of Hyrule, the Mushroom and Koopa Kingdoms (and any setting in between), and the paranormal military bases are all interesting enough to work into a movie without having to rely completely on the existing scripts.
Are there pleanty of Eastern story driven games that are just as stereotypical as westerns? Sure. A common target is Final Fantasy VIII--brooding teen lead who charges gun-wielding foes with his over-sized sword. However, the game also features flying military schools, a time-controlling sorcerous, summonable monsters with amazing power, and an invisible, technologically advanced city in the middle of all this. The story itself is founded on stereotypical characters, but the setting is interesting enough to potentially make up for it. Maybe that's what Bob meant with the "for a Western game" comment. A western gaming with a less-than-great story doesn't often have the setting to back it up.
Of course, the biggest problem would be fitting the script into the time frame for a movie, which I'm not confident that they'd do well. Just watch most book-to-movie transitions...they cut out stuff that, in the long run, creates nothing but plot holes when it turns out they made a big mistake. A bigger risk than the others, but certainly not impossible. Besides, the Codec calls need to be trimmed down anyway.
The real appeal to these hypothetical great video game movies is the settings, not just the plot. Dracula's castle, the Kingdom of Hyrule, the Mushroom and Koopa Kingdoms (and any setting in between), and the paranormal military bases are all interesting enough to work into a movie without having to rely completely on the existing scripts.
Are there pleanty of Eastern story driven games that are just as stereotypical as westerns? Sure. A common target is Final Fantasy VIII--brooding teen lead who charges gun-wielding foes with his over-sized sword. However, the game also features flying military schools, a time-controlling sorcerous, summonable monsters with amazing power, and an invisible, technologically advanced city in the middle of all this. The story itself is founded on stereotypical characters, but the setting is interesting enough to potentially make up for it. Maybe that's what Bob meant with the "for a Western game" comment. A western gaming with a less-than-great story doesn't often have the setting to back it up.
This post is getting pretty long, so I'll just summarize the rest. I completely agree with everything else you said...although Mass Effect would have the same challenge as a Metal Gear movie--working it into a movie-sized script. But, that didn't stop me from supporting the idea of a Metal Gear movie, so it still fits as a good example of a Western property that would work well, and so does Bioshock--although the twist mostly relies of the fact that it's a video game...but I just can't say no to steampunk Atlantis with genetically-engineered super powers backed up by a good plot
Edit: Post was even longer than I thought. Spoiler tagged most of my parts so anyone who's not interested in reading this (ie. everyone) won't have this stealing their entire screen.
Funny that you mention that. As we were leaving the theater, the first thing I said to my brother is "It's a little sad that the first real video game movie wasn't based on a video game."omegawyrm said:
There might not be a general consensus, but I definitely agree with you.
I seriously don't understand why everyone seems to hate Nathan Drake. I like the guy, he's confident to a fault, lighthearted, and more real-feeling than a lot of other shooter protagonists.
Also, I hate to be that guy, but you really can't comment on a game's story if you admit you never finished either game. I'm not saying it's great literary achievement, but using a limited experience with the game as a springboard to attack all western developers is a little much for my taste.
But hey, you're MovieBob. Not GamerBob. I'll keep that in mind.
Also, I hate to be that guy, but you really can't comment on a game's story if you admit you never finished either game. I'm not saying it's great literary achievement, but using a limited experience with the game as a springboard to attack all western developers is a little much for my taste.
But hey, you're MovieBob. Not GamerBob. I'll keep that in mind.
Two things:MovieBob said:
1. Solid Snake is based of Snake Plisken from Escape from New York so there pretty much already HAS been an MGS movie.
2. Most people are pissed off about Mark Wahlberg stealing Nathan Fillion's role.