Or you can pay enough. Sadly, I doubt I'll ever have that option.qbanknight said:Ever since I was 6 I dreamed of going to the stars, sadly that will have to remain a dream for the time being. I don't mind other countries going ahead with their space programs and seeing what wonderful things they could come up with (hopefully they'll let a couple of Americans in on the party provided we have some good tools to back them up)
Socialism happened? Please explain?Dzikun said:Dear Bob.
You want to know what happened? Socialism happened.
p.s I share the same opinion. Colonies on Mars > world peace.
Oh my god, do you even know what you're saying? NASA is government-funded. Liberals are the ones who push to fund it!ReiverCorrupter said:Ugh. I'd agree with enlightenment values over liberal values any day. I'd place knowledge as a much higher priority than world peace or solving world hunger.
Because people are going to die. No matter what. Does it really matter all that much? Is the human struggle really just a struggle to prolong our own lives and fill them with pleasurable experiences? I spit on this hedonism that underlies liberal values.
If there is any nobility in human existence it is in our struggle to grow and learn more about the world. If we lose that just so everyone can have their +/-70 years of wretched contentment then I say humanity no longer deserves to exist.
That being said, who cares about space travel? WE CAN'T DO IT PROPERLY RIGHT NOW ANYWAY! WE DON'T HAVE ANTI-GRAVITY OR FASTER THAN LIGHT TRAVEL. HELL WE'RE STILL USING FOSSIL FUELS.
I'm more excited about CERN, genetics, neuroscience, computers and robotics than I am about space travel. It's those things we should be worried about. When I think of all the romantic stuff about the human quest for knowledge I think of a microscope, not a space shuttle.
No one's going to be given space colonies. It's not something your Daddy just fishes out of his pocket after you ask nicely. If you're ready to say that the programs being set in place to help the most in need in this country aren't necessary because everyone can be useful, then turn that judgmental fucking gaze on yourself. You want something? Do it on your own. If space is the best way you see yourself getting a job, find a way for Nike or Verizon to get you there. Or hell, build a ship in your own backyard for all I care. Screw other people, right?Kalezian said:stan573 said:Bob, I can't understand how you can miss the huge hypocrisy you used in this video. I mean, you're a smart guy and you produce great content, but I get the feeling you don't have a mortgage.
Here, I'll try to make this simple: Saying you'd have your sci-fi fantasies made real at the expense of not dealing with other people's very real and immediate needs is the exact same bullshit "me-first" attitude that caused the financial meltdown, and in turn the situation that forced the budget cut in the first place.
If that was too harsh, let me rephrase this in a more nerdy way.
We'll never have Starfleet by putting technology ahead of people- that's what the Borg do.
so by cutting the ability to create jobs on, in this case, the Moon or Mars before, during, and after colonization is not economically viable since people are already having hard troubles?
How about this, I just lost my shit-paying job at a shitty fast food restaurant for not being able to come into work due to illness.
let me say that again, I got fired for being sick.
right now, if I was offered a job to get put on the moon to help get it ready for colonization I would jump on it immediately just because that would give me work.
"oh but other people dont have work either and/or are starving!" screw them, everyone has the ability to be of some use in life, just because they are to lazy to see what needs to be done, and how to progress to reach that goal is not acceptable.
to put it very bluntly, give me space colonies, or give me a nuclear war, something other than this empty gas-tank we have been running on since the 1960's.