The Big Picture: The Devil & Mr. Parker
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Yep, that includes everyone (except Mary Jane, for some magic reason). Until of course Peter ends up revealing his identity to the entirety of the Avengers and Fantastic Four within a year anyways. And as he explains it (how he knows I have no idea), as soon as he reveals his identity to them they will automatically remember having known his identity before. Oy!CrazyGirl17 said:
All in all this was Quesada waving a magic wand and changing everything he didn't like about the comic: the marriage, Harry's death, the new, stupid powers, etc. Retcons can be done well, this one wasn't.
I have been enjoying comic-books (and spider-man) since before i could read, hell i had a good grip on the English language when i was 6. I have read all the essentials and even the clone saga (both of them), and guess what? OMD does not bother me in the slightest, i do not care if 20 years of marriage (most of the stories were HUGE fucking drags, i am looking at you JMS). A little blank slate when it comes to spider-mans love-life is actually a good thing.
The post-OMD spider-man is actually pretty fun, JMS's last years on spider-man made me cancel my subscription and it was only when i read the new spider-man that i decided to renew it. All in all, despite the massive butt-hurt over OMD, spidey came out pretty well on this and i for one, am glad that it happened.
The post-OMD spider-man is actually pretty fun, JMS's last years on spider-man made me cancel my subscription and it was only when i read the new spider-man that i decided to renew it. All in all, despite the massive butt-hurt over OMD, spidey came out pretty well on this and i for one, am glad that it happened.
And thats why I dont really read western comics. I would be all to willing to read a Spiderman inderpendant series (with a start and finish) but the actual overall comic, no thank you. Thats why I userly stick with manga as the Japanese reading audience tend to be a fickle bunch and most series are lucky to get past 100 chapters. The same goes for anime, most dont go beyond 30 episodes. Still this can also be a massive drawback with sudden endings or even cancelations.
This was awesome!
It completely caught what I always found the most annoying abou long running comicseries: the WTH?-moments.
I laughed the whole video long
It completely caught what I always found the most annoying abou long running comicseries: the WTH?-moments.
I laughed the whole video long
i got back into comics because bob did the escape to the movies Avengers episode. it seems like that paid off because now i knew everything that happened to spiderman before watching this video. thanks bob, i love comics
Your movie reviews are pointed and provacative.
These pieces too often stray from their thesises. Rather than discussing WHY comic books are weird, you just launched into a tangent about the Mephisto/Spider-Man thing. Why didn't you just make that your thesis statement? Because it happened (in comic book time) ages ago? I appreciate that you've been given free reign to rant, but could you at least make your arguments more direct and salient?
And could you please cut back on those back and white heads? They're fun, but their overuse understimulates me during a video blurb.
These pieces too often stray from their thesises. Rather than discussing WHY comic books are weird, you just launched into a tangent about the Mephisto/Spider-Man thing. Why didn't you just make that your thesis statement? Because it happened (in comic book time) ages ago? I appreciate that you've been given free reign to rant, but could you at least make your arguments more direct and salient?
And could you please cut back on those back and white heads? They're fun, but their overuse understimulates me during a video blurb.
When shit goes that far south I always like to hit the reset button and start over. Solves all of life's problems.
I like the series so far. It teaches me interessting things about nerddom I am too young to have witnessed myself.
But I have to second the motion about the faces. They get a bit stale.
But I have to second the motion about the faces. They get a bit stale.
Uh, okay? When the video started I believed you were going to discuss why comics didn't sell and how the industry might turn itself around in your own view. But then you spiraled into a tangent about Spider Man and some devil and a retcon. I didn't get anything out of your video other than 4 minutes of you re-explaining a controversial story that everyone discussed looong ago.
I just read the hulk comics because... well... HULK SMASH!
And it also means I don't have to bother with any of the intertangled web of the universes, which is what I think puts others off of the comics. Think about the back story of the marvel universe. Go onto the Marvel Wikia and then search for something you don't know about or just start clicking links. (if you do know marvel then just try and suspend your marvel-ness and look at it like a noob would)
Time yourself and see how long it takes you to get lost.
A shiney cookie goes to the person who lasts longer than 5 minutes.
I did this for three nights straight and still got confused with all the inter-mingling story lines and plots despite reading everything I could see from start to finish.
And its not because its a finely crafted work of art. Its because its a mess.
A well made story is like a spiders web, linking points between strong individual strands.
From my perspective the Marvel universe is like someone grabbed several spiderwebs, layered them one on top of another and rolled them into a ball.
Can you imagine trying to get into that as a new comer? Nearly impossible. The problem with these universes is that they are too big too get into. Too big for their own good.
Its like if I told someone to get into the Forgotten Realms world in DnD.
One of the world's main good guys has 20+ 300+ page novels for himself. Not to mention a few cameos and then there are satellite groups and entirely new works to expand the world.
The reason people favour the movies is because they provide a quick in and out into the world. Enough to entertain them but not enough to confuse them.
Its also the reason why hardcore fanboys hate the movies of the characters they love. They love the small details and intricacies that have to be left out too get the movie to a wider audience without being a three hour epic.
Just my view on all this.
And it also means I don't have to bother with any of the intertangled web of the universes, which is what I think puts others off of the comics. Think about the back story of the marvel universe. Go onto the Marvel Wikia and then search for something you don't know about or just start clicking links. (if you do know marvel then just try and suspend your marvel-ness and look at it like a noob would)
Time yourself and see how long it takes you to get lost.
A shiney cookie goes to the person who lasts longer than 5 minutes.
I did this for three nights straight and still got confused with all the inter-mingling story lines and plots despite reading everything I could see from start to finish.
And its not because its a finely crafted work of art. Its because its a mess.
A well made story is like a spiders web, linking points between strong individual strands.
From my perspective the Marvel universe is like someone grabbed several spiderwebs, layered them one on top of another and rolled them into a ball.
Can you imagine trying to get into that as a new comer? Nearly impossible. The problem with these universes is that they are too big too get into. Too big for their own good.
Its like if I told someone to get into the Forgotten Realms world in DnD.
One of the world's main good guys has 20+ 300+ page novels for himself. Not to mention a few cameos and then there are satellite groups and entirely new works to expand the world.
The reason people favour the movies is because they provide a quick in and out into the world. Enough to entertain them but not enough to confuse them.
Its also the reason why hardcore fanboys hate the movies of the characters they love. They love the small details and intricacies that have to be left out too get the movie to a wider audience without being a three hour epic.
Just my view on all this.
Wow, I thought Bob was going to talk more about the upcoming Spiderman film, that retcon's the past three films, and do some more well deserved bashing to it. Well, hearing him talk about One More Day was ok as well.
But as for One More Day, I agree with a lot of that fans that the whole thing was an ass pull. To be honest, I've kind of gotten used to Peter Parker being married to Mary Jane. Heck, I was hoping that sometime they would have a kid, and we'd see what it would be like for him to be a superhero and a new dad to a kid he had with a hot supermodel (and no, the Spidergirl comic alternate universe doesn't count, as it's not a part of the official Marvel universe and Peter Parker quit the superhero business in that countinuity). If they did that, maybe we'd see some new interesting story decisions and plots. But no, the creators of the comic are so attached to the glory old days of Spiderman being single, having problems with various love interests, and their own personal dislike for MJ despite fans mostly liking her, that they had to retcon the whole marriage thing to make themselves happy. Maybe sometime in the near future, they'll retcon it again and have the two married once more. With a kid on the way and an expy of Quesada being killed in the comic when it happens, or Mephisto posing as an expy of Quesada getting his butt kicked somehow to force him into undoing the whole crap.
But as for One More Day, I agree with a lot of that fans that the whole thing was an ass pull. To be honest, I've kind of gotten used to Peter Parker being married to Mary Jane. Heck, I was hoping that sometime they would have a kid, and we'd see what it would be like for him to be a superhero and a new dad to a kid he had with a hot supermodel (and no, the Spidergirl comic alternate universe doesn't count, as it's not a part of the official Marvel universe and Peter Parker quit the superhero business in that countinuity). If they did that, maybe we'd see some new interesting story decisions and plots. But no, the creators of the comic are so attached to the glory old days of Spiderman being single, having problems with various love interests, and their own personal dislike for MJ despite fans mostly liking her, that they had to retcon the whole marriage thing to make themselves happy. Maybe sometime in the near future, they'll retcon it again and have the two married once more. With a kid on the way and an expy of Quesada being killed in the comic when it happens, or Mephisto posing as an expy of Quesada getting his butt kicked somehow to force him into undoing the whole crap.
Linakra's a screechy voiced tool, who knows jack shit about anything but pretends to be an expert while hiding behind bad early 90s image comics and free hand outsNecromancer1991 said:
Personally, I despised OMD because it completely reversed the growth of the characters to 20 years ago. If they wanted to end the marriage, here's and idea: Mephisto offers to undo the past, but Peter refuses. Aunt May dies, and true to his character, Peter blames himself and is inconsolable. He feels that his choices have destroyed his and MJ's lives. He becomes distant and eventually pushes MJ out of his life entirely. I'm thinking that then she either leaves him (which is kinda what he's after) or he divorces her in the hope that she can still salvage her life after Tony Stark realizes that they are separated. This would allow Marvel to continue to move the story forward without resorting to the idiotic "magic retcon". Spidey would still have to deal with the consequences of his choices, his relationship with his superhero peers (particularly Stark) wouldn't be just wiped away, and he would get to keep his evolved powers like the organic webs and stingers. Because honestly, spider-man was about to go places it never had before and Quesada decided that would be a bad thing. Moron.
Well I like Brand new day better than anything else spidey-related in the 200s, so I don't even care. Marvel has done weirder things. Getting Brand new day was worth it, I like peter more now that he doesn't have everything together again.