The Biggest Hoax Of All Time?
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Please, cite some sources.Ryuzaki said:
http://volcanology.geol.ucsb.edu/gas.htmRyuzaki said:
http://www.techybytes.com/volcanos-emit-far-more-co2-than-man/
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=earthtalks-volcanoes-or-humans
So at least one of your 'facts' is so completely wrong it isn't even funny. I won't bother refuting the rest unless you can actually come up with some solid citation for them.
Yes, that graph is true. However there is no link between planetary temperature and pirates. There is a link between planetary temperature and its chemical composition.thiosk said:The carbon hypothesis is wrong. The real reason for increasing temperatures:
Linking James Hansen's GISS datasets is just as helpful as the above stat.
I don't have the time to post info, nor do I feel like searching for sources. However, my chemistry teacher does have a poster showing how Carbon Dioxide and other greenhouse gasses chemically affect the ozone and other aspects of the atmosphere. And how that effects the world.TheLivingDaylights said:
Oh, it also shows three people winning the nobel prize in 1995 for discovering some of that, I guess you might be able to search up on that.
I remember watching the news, and there were these hippies preaching this "carbon footprint" crap. They don't drive cars or use gas heating, but they do live on a farm....with cows... the biggest "footprint" creature on the planet. This is why I don't watch the news anymore..
This is even more true and I am the king of England.Grand_Poohbah said:
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Black Mage on Black Mage love.
Dudes, we have been on this planet for only a few hundred thousand years, of which we have accurately recorded temperatures of what? Maybe 100 years or so?
With all the ice ages, shifting of geo-masses and transition of ocean to desert, I would think we know practically nothing accurately about Earth's past weather. This extremely small, YES it is small compared to the molten gaseous planet it began as, change in temperature is perfectly natural. If polar bears are dieing because of melted ice, then they are unfit in an aquatic environment.
It is the cycle of life. We as humans have manipulated it to kill/help/save many species, thus altering the natural balance. But as we are creatures of this planet, we have the right to do so. I am all for clean energy, hydroponics ect... But saying that we as humans have caused global warming is *******.
I do not want to start a flame war.
With all the ice ages, shifting of geo-masses and transition of ocean to desert, I would think we know practically nothing accurately about Earth's past weather. This extremely small, YES it is small compared to the molten gaseous planet it began as, change in temperature is perfectly natural. If polar bears are dieing because of melted ice, then they are unfit in an aquatic environment.
It is the cycle of life. We as humans have manipulated it to kill/help/save many species, thus altering the natural balance. But as we are creatures of this planet, we have the right to do so. I am all for clean energy, hydroponics ect... But saying that we as humans have caused global warming is *******.
I do not want to start a flame war.
i linked this thread to a friend of mine who is taking various relevant science courses in university (i forget what all courses)
anyways here is his comments on your post.
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There are lots of geologists who feel that global warming is a cyclical process, and there is evident to support it. I think your post is yet another example of someone knowing too much for their own good, and not enough to be complete.
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1) CO2 is, just like this guy says, a benign gas which is integral to life as we know it. It is also experimentally proven absorb infared wavelength radiation and to vibrate (ie gain molecular kinetic energy, which is to say "get hot"). I have no idea what he's talking about with carbon neutrality, he's bastardized the notion by applying it to individual components. The carbon cycle is a large
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and complex process involving all of the Earth. CO2 is definately causing greenhouse warming, which is definately keeping the Earth warm. As CO2 concentrations increase (and they have been steadily in recent years by about 1 ppm/year (about .25%)) the average temperature on the Earth is also increasing, so it follows that the two are strongly correlated. The reason that CO2 is suddenly the
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badguy is due entirely to fossil fuels. The Earth at some points in time may have had CO2 concentrations up to ~30%, that's 30 parts per hundred, right no it's 400 parts per million. It was almost a thousand times more abundant at points in the Earth's history. The question is; what happened to all that CO2? That CO2 was locked up in various reservoirs, including of particular interest: fossil
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fuels. By burning fossil fuels we have undone millions of years of carbon concentration and storage and released it back into the atmosphere as CO2. This could potentially cause massive concentrations of CO2 in the atmosphere and result in huge changes in greenhouse warming as well as direct consequences due to the smothering amount of CO2.
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2) There are many Earth's processes which appear to be cyclical, and many which simply are not. To say that Global Warming is nothing more than fear mongering (and it is, though there is fact behind it) is to ignore the consequences of what is essentially assured, dramatic consequences due to its existence. Global Warming is real and it will have dire consequences. Interesting that he mentions
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"six occurences of even more extreme versions of our global warming" yet fails to mention the numerous mass extinction events. I have no desire to refute nor agree with that statement, but I do wish to point out that large shifts in global environments causes huge extinctions. Assuming that nothing in the trend changes, the world will warm up and people will die due to it.
says:
Global Warming is an annoying subject. The evidence points to it happening and that people burning fossil fuels are the cause.
anyways here is his comments on your post.
says:
There are lots of geologists who feel that global warming is a cyclical process, and there is evident to support it. I think your post is yet another example of someone knowing too much for their own good, and not enough to be complete.
says:
1) CO2 is, just like this guy says, a benign gas which is integral to life as we know it. It is also experimentally proven absorb infared wavelength radiation and to vibrate (ie gain molecular kinetic energy, which is to say "get hot"). I have no idea what he's talking about with carbon neutrality, he's bastardized the notion by applying it to individual components. The carbon cycle is a large
says:
and complex process involving all of the Earth. CO2 is definately causing greenhouse warming, which is definately keeping the Earth warm. As CO2 concentrations increase (and they have been steadily in recent years by about 1 ppm/year (about .25%)) the average temperature on the Earth is also increasing, so it follows that the two are strongly correlated. The reason that CO2 is suddenly the
says:
badguy is due entirely to fossil fuels. The Earth at some points in time may have had CO2 concentrations up to ~30%, that's 30 parts per hundred, right no it's 400 parts per million. It was almost a thousand times more abundant at points in the Earth's history. The question is; what happened to all that CO2? That CO2 was locked up in various reservoirs, including of particular interest: fossil
says:
fuels. By burning fossil fuels we have undone millions of years of carbon concentration and storage and released it back into the atmosphere as CO2. This could potentially cause massive concentrations of CO2 in the atmosphere and result in huge changes in greenhouse warming as well as direct consequences due to the smothering amount of CO2.
says:
2) There are many Earth's processes which appear to be cyclical, and many which simply are not. To say that Global Warming is nothing more than fear mongering (and it is, though there is fact behind it) is to ignore the consequences of what is essentially assured, dramatic consequences due to its existence. Global Warming is real and it will have dire consequences. Interesting that he mentions
says:
"six occurences of even more extreme versions of our global warming" yet fails to mention the numerous mass extinction events. I have no desire to refute nor agree with that statement, but I do wish to point out that large shifts in global environments causes huge extinctions. Assuming that nothing in the trend changes, the world will warm up and people will die due to it.
says:
Global Warming is an annoying subject. The evidence points to it happening and that people burning fossil fuels are the cause.
I say
Fuck it.
Nothings permanent, our planet will fall to catastrophe inevitably, If in some damn miracle humans avoid all the natural planetary cycles, all the asteroids, all the feces that could hit the fan our sun will explode anyways. Our extremely short life cycles really wont effect anything neither our children or theirs. Since where screwed anyways trying to stop this "evil" global warming monster is just prolonging inevitable destruction. Sure if we do manage the stop it long enough and be able to move to a nearby planet who's to say something bad wont happen to that. I regret to inform you but our actions as humans wont matter, races will die new ones will come and the cycle will and always continue. So just enjoy life the best you can in its rather limited time and hope that your kids didn't draw the unlucky straw of Armageddon.
Fuck it.
Nothings permanent, our planet will fall to catastrophe inevitably, If in some damn miracle humans avoid all the natural planetary cycles, all the asteroids, all the feces that could hit the fan our sun will explode anyways. Our extremely short life cycles really wont effect anything neither our children or theirs. Since where screwed anyways trying to stop this "evil" global warming monster is just prolonging inevitable destruction. Sure if we do manage the stop it long enough and be able to move to a nearby planet who's to say something bad wont happen to that. I regret to inform you but our actions as humans wont matter, races will die new ones will come and the cycle will and always continue. So just enjoy life the best you can in its rather limited time and hope that your kids didn't draw the unlucky straw of Armageddon.
Posting evidence or links for either side of the argument won't advance anyone's cause. Opinions are already entrenched, and anyone silly enough to climb over the wire and journey into no mans land is going to find that they just make people all shouty and stupid as a result.TheLivingDaylights said:
Where is the "you are retarded" and "I don't care" options from the poll? Sir, you are discriminating! At least put an "other (please GTFO elaborate)" option there.
I personally think global warming is a hot topic (ZING!), and it can have some dire consequences...no, wait... we have it now! The strange weather patterns, harsh storms...etc are because of that.
But you know what? If global warming is that lethal to us, we will die anyway, because nobody gives a flying shit about it. Not the people who could do a difference anyway. So I think this topic is moot.
I personally think global warming is a hot topic (ZING!), and it can have some dire consequences...no, wait... we have it now! The strange weather patterns, harsh storms...etc are because of that.
But you know what? If global warming is that lethal to us, we will die anyway, because nobody gives a flying shit about it. Not the people who could do a difference anyway. So I think this topic is moot.
I second this, it's incredibly harsh to see how ignorant (yes, makes it sound like I'm on a high horse here) people can't be, can't even be bothered to do a little searching or be critical about the critiques. It's not even funny anymore, some people (no not meaning anyone here) I've spoken with brag about how critical they are and how they look at the 'other side', strangely they swallow the, often bullshit, from the other side like it's gospel. Where's your critical thinking now huh?cuddly_tomato said: