MovieBob said:
jacobschndr said:
You forget that Michael Bay also directed good films like "Collateral" even if it did star crazy-jump-on-Oprahs-couch-loony Tom Cruise.
Um.. friend? Michael MANN directed
"Collateral," not Michael Bay.
Bay has basically made two entirely good films, i.e. the two
"Bad Boys" movies. Those work because there's LITERALLY nothing to them - they're formula cop movies charged-up with nihilistic "eff it all" disregard for all decency, so his thematically-empty style and complete lack of ability at communicating depth actually fits.
Everything else has been a disaster, and
"Transformers" was the worst offender of all. Here's this killer "high-concept" movie with all this built-in scifi mythology that should make for a really cool, sweeping pop epic... and he doesn't even seem to notice. Instead he basically makes a feature-length car commercial, keeping the robots (who are horribly designed, btw) in their vehicle forms as much as possible and ignores all the potential cool story possibilities in favor of bad comedy and "I'm-cool-cuz-I-hang-out-with-army-guys" military digressions. It's a total failure, one of the worst "big" genre films I've ever seen.
OK my bad, Michael MAnn instead of Michael Bay. Still, "Collateral" good movie.
Yes Michael Bay is a dueschbag we all know that. Hell he even has the whole movie director cliche' going with that megaphone of his. But I still think "Transformers" was alright and heres why.
Bay and the writers made that movie to be more appealing to the general audience, not just the fans (even if some fans hate it). You can't put Hundreds of millions of dollars into a film just to make only the fans happy then no one but the fans will want to see it because no one else knows the franchise better than fans. It becomes a flop. Instead what happened was Bay, Speilberg, and the writers made a film that can be fun for both the nerds and everyone else. Last time I checked it grossed a LOT of money.
So of course its going to show close-ups of the cars because when big automakers allow you to put their models in a film their gonna want to see some exposure of their products to the public. And how would you want to see the robots anyway? What you wanna see the same thing as back in the 80's cartoon and comics with what looks like a bunch of guys in multi-colored cardboard boxes? I think they looked cool, ultra-modern even, while still keeping a somewhat recognizble look(Optimus Prime for instance). Also I'm glad "Bumblebee" was a Camero instead of looking like a VW bug that would have looked stupid.
Look, bad for the genre, maybe. But even hardcore fans, even the fans with shrines dedicated to Megatron, and even fans with "Transformers" tattoos and who name their private parts stuff like "Primus", "Devastator", and...probably even "Blur". They would still think the film is good. Do I wish Bay would do more to direct actors according to their roles, like instead of saying "Just improvise this scene for me" he should try to have them follow the role better and actually direct them to what the character is feeling and doing at that point. Instead, he just lets them wonder aimlessly through the roles.
So, OK yes I agree. Bay is a bad director for drama and emotion, thats why he directs action flicks because they don't need drama or emotion, just explosions and lots of them. I still like the first "Transformers" (hell I like the 1984 Movie still) and I will still see "Rise of the Fallen" as well.
P.S. I like how you (Moviebob) comment on the threads. That's good I think at touching base with your viewers. If more critics did that I would have a lot more fun on forums than I ususally do.