The future of major third party Switch games will be mid-budget

[Mad World]

Thus, I am stating that PlayStation 4 and Xbox One are the objectively superior choice to the Switch if you don't care about first-party titles or mobility.

That's not a very compelling point-- "X is the objectively better choice, if you don't care about the unique selling points of Y".

That's one selling point. I think that that's overshadowed by their first-party exclusives. However, whether or not you find that to be a compelling point doesn't matter, as we're discussing third-party titles being objectively inferior with respect to performance and visuals. I think that third-party titles being objectively inferior on one specific platform is very noteworthy. I know that many agree; I've seen many talking about it.

Well, that's basically the main strategy when an argument has flimsy reasoning; if it crumbles then just change the rules or cheat.

Not sure what you're whining about; we're discussing third-party titles and if whether or not they're worse on the Switch. My argument has never had flimsy reasoning.

Instead of passive-aggressively replying to people who are replying to/quoting the people whom you disagree with, try talking to them directly.

 

[themistermanguy]

That's one selling point. I think that that's overshadowed by their first-party exclusives. However, whether or not you find that to be a compelling point doesn't matter, as we're discussing third-party titles being objectively inferior with respect to performance and visuals. I think that third-party titles being objectively inferior on one specific platform is very noteworthy. I know that many agree; I've seen many talking about it.

The point is, that doesn't matter so long as the Switch version is still good. Nobody's going to care if there isn't as much polygons or foliage, or if its not 60 FPS so long as it still plays good for on the go play. That's the most important thing. Obviously, nobody with a PS4 is going to want to play Doom on Switch in TV mode. But if they're out a lot, and want to play Doom away from home, but don't always have the time, the Switch version starts to look appealing.

 

[Silvanus]

However, whether or not you find that to be a compelling point doesn't matter, as we're discussing third-party titles being objectively inferior with respect to performance and visuals. I think that third-party titles being objectively inferior on one specific platform is very noteworthy. I know that many agree; I've seen many talking about it.

Well, no, you went beyond that; you said that made PS4 and Xbox the better choice.

 

[Mad World]

That's one selling point. I think that that's overshadowed by their first-party exclusives. However, whether or not you find that to be a compelling point doesn't matter, as we're discussing third-party titles being objectively inferior with respect to performance and visuals. I think that third-party titles being objectively inferior on one specific platform is very noteworthy. I know that many agree; I've seen many talking about it.

The point is, that doesn't matter so long as the Switch version is still good. Nobody's going to care if there isn't as much polygons or foliage, or if its not 60 FPS so long as it still plays good for on the go play. That's the most important thing. Obviously, nobody with a PS4 is going to want to play Doom on Switch in TV mode. But if they're out a lot, and want to play Doom away from home, but don't always have the time, the Switch version starts to look appealing.

It does matter a lot to many people, myself included. As I said previously, there are many people who focus on third-party titles and don't care about mobility. Those people, with the wrong advice, may end up getting a Switch and regretting it when they find out that they are playing gimped versions of certain games.

Well, no, you went beyond that; you said that made PS4 and Xbox the better choice.

No - I was very clear about the Xbox One and PlayStation 4 being better for those who focus on third-party games.

There are many people who don't care about mobility and want to play third-party games. Those people would absolutely be better off with an Xbox One or PlayStation 4.

 

[Silvanus]

No - I was very clear about the Xbox One and PlayStation 4 being better for those who focus on third-party games.

Well, this is what I'm taking issue with;

I am stating that PlayStation 4 and Xbox One are the objectively superior choice to the Switch if you don't care about first-party titles or mobility.

See, the focus of that statement is a bit different: you suggest a situation in which a hypothetical guy somewhere specifically doesn't care about the unique selling points of the Switch, and then say that in that situation the Switch is "objectively worse".

My point wasn't to just say "nuh-uh"-- it was to say that's weak as an argument. You can create a hypothetical to the same affect for anything.

It someone isn't interested in any of the USPs of something... they probably won't be buying it. So what? That's not the Switch's problem; the scenario was contrived and doesn't illustrate anything.

 

[Mad World]

See, the focus of that statement is a bit different: you suggest a situation in which a hypothetical guy somewhere specifically doesn't care about the unique selling points of the Switch, and then say that in that situation the Switch is "objectively worse".

My point wasn't to just say "nuh-uh"-- it was to say that's weak as an argument. You can create a hypothetical to the same affect for anything.

It someone isn't interested in any of the USPs of something... they probably won't be buying it. So what? That's not the Switch's problem; the scenario was contrived and doesn't illustrate anything.

Not saying that it is or isn't the Switch's problem; just that it's the reality. It's not a complicated concept. I'm not creating some very specific, unfair, unrealistic set of circumstances. There are many people who don't give a shit about mobility, and who care solely about third-party games. If people looked at this objectively, they would be able to provide good advice to said people who care about third-party titles. However, some people think, "Oh, it's just slightly worse graphics and not always being able to be at 60 FPS, so it's no big difference." These people - if they were to give advice to people who want to choose a console, don't care about mobility, and care only about third-party titles - would likely give poor advice. In other words, it could mean people getting a console that isn't as beneficial (when compared with Xbox One or PlayStation 4) for what they want.

 

[Yoshi178]

There are many people who don't give a shit about mobility, and who care solely about third-party games.

Newsflash: there are many people who do give a shit about mobility, and who care solely about third-party games too. It's the reality.

 

[Mad World]

There are many people who don't give a shit about mobility, and who care solely about third-party games.

Newsflash: there are many people who do give a shit about mobility, and who care solely about third-party games too. It's the reality.

It's sunny in Kenya; what's your point?

You're not doing a lot to shatter general perception about yourself. You come across as a fanboy, and do little to command respect. At least make an effort.

Of course there are many who do care about mobility. I'm obviously not talking about them. I'm saying that you should give the right advice to the right people. People who are categorized into the group that I'm discussing should not be recommended the Switch. That's my point.

For some reason, there is a debate over if whether or not third-party titles on the Switch are worse with respect to visuals and framerate. Factually, there is noticeable discrepancy in many titles when comparing the Switch to the other two consoles. The fact that some still seem to be confused about that is why I chimed in.

 

[sXeth]

So all I?m getting from this is that you don?t like and ergo have no interest in the Switch nor stake in its success? Is that accurate?

I've always said I want Nintendo to compete with Sony and MS to make a console that's a primary gaming system, which Nintendo has failed to do since the Gamecube. Deciding between Sony and Nintendo's 1st party games would be a rather tough decision. I don't have anything against the Switch in concept but when you don't have a better library than my phone, why am I paying a $300 premium for a small handful of games?

Just as a heads up, iPhone 6 (the cheapest one available) is $299 for the paltry 16gb model), the Switch is $299 for the 32gb model. Then the next iPhone 6 is 399 for the 64gb.

Who's paying a premium to do what now?

Of course, your phone company might be willing to hand you one for "0 dollars!" now, but then they usually charge you even more over the contact life for it.

I'm not the biggest Nintendo fan in the world. I also have never played any of your listed phone games (the phone/ipad games I have played weren't awe inspiring. And I have some reasonable skepticism about the prospect of single player board games).

(Nevermind if you tried to get the phone hooked up to a TV or sound system properly. Or with decent control interfaces, though that obviously can vary between games no matter what)

(To say nothing of potentially not wanting your gaming to be annihalating the battery life of your presumed contact line)

 

[Phoenixmgs_v1legacy]

why am I paying a $300 premium for a small handful of games?

Just as a heads up, iPhone 6 (the cheapest one available) is $299 for the paltry 16gb model), the Switch is $299 for the 32gb model. Then the next iPhone 6 is 399 for the 64gb.

Who's paying a premium to do what now?

Of course, your phone company might be willing to hand you one for "0 dollars!" now, but then they usually charge you even more over the contact life for it.

I'm not the biggest Nintendo fan in the world. I also have never played any of your listed phone games (the phone/ipad games I have played weren't awe inspiring. And I have some reasonable skepticism about the prospect of single player board games).

(Nevermind if you tried to get the phone hooked up to a TV or sound system properly. Or with decent control interfaces, though that obviously can vary between games no matter what)

(To say nothing of potentially not wanting your gaming to be annihalating the battery life of your presumed contact line)

Phones are only expensive if you make them that way, which I made a thread [http://v1.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.1055912-Whats-the-obsession-with-expensive-phones?page=1] about over a year back. I got a new phone (Moto e5 Play) last year for $80 retail at the store of my phone service provider (MetroPCS, now Metro by T-Mobile). I didn't even look for a sale or deal or anything, I just walked in, said I wanted said phone as I researched the specs beforehand (removable battery!!!). My phone (Samsung On5) before that was totally free for switching (no strings whatsoever) and I only pay a $30/month for my service (no contract at all, I can walk away anytime and not pay a dime). Why would anyone in their right mind buy an iPhone? I have a dumbass iPhone because of work and it's so bad; the keyboards all suck and are barely customizable, you can't install a certain add-on that can't be mentioned here (I believe) for Firefox, and the damn phone can't even keep the right time when changing time zones (as my iPhone is still an hour ahead from changing times zones over 24 hours ago).

Anyway, my phone can play all the games I've listed just fine. And with board games, the touch interface is perfect for them over the standard video games with controllable cameras and stuff. If you're concerned with battery life, portable batteries are pretty cheap, though I haven't felt the need to buy one myself. Not too mention phones are pretty much a necessity in today's world so you already need a phone whereas I don't already need a Switch or really any gaming system.

 

[Yoshi178]

There are many people who don't give a shit about mobility, and who care solely about third-party games.

Newsflash: there are many people who do give a shit about mobility, and who care solely about third-party games too. It's the reality.

It's sunny in Kenya; what's your point?

You're not doing a lot to shatter general perception about yourself. You come across as a fanboy, and do little to command respect. At least make an effort.

Of course there are many who do care about mobility. I'm obviously not talking about them. I'm saying that you should give the right advice to the right people. People who are categorized into the group that I'm discussing should not be recommended the Switch. That's my point.

For some reason, there is a debate over if whether or not third-party titles on the Switch are worse with respect to visuals and framerate. Factually, there is noticeable discrepancy in many titles when comparing the Switch to the other two consoles. The fact that some still seem to be confused about that is why I chimed in.

people haven't just been talking about graphics though. you've been saying Switch won't be getting 3rd Party support because of the new consoles Sony and MS will have later.

3rd Party games haven't mattered on a Nintendo console since what? N64?

Nintendo doesn't need 3rd Party support, and I wish people would stop thinking otherwise.

(They do need to not fuck up Pok?mon though as bad as they are headed for, now THAT might actually lead to some damage for them)

Third party support matters a lot.

people in this thread have just been pointing out to the OP that Switch isn't a bad console just because it's specs are lower than the other console's. they've pointed out that the Switch has a major advantage which the other consoles don't have being it's portability.

We were also pointing out to you that AAA third party support means shit. 3rd Party games such as CTR: Nitro Fueld and Spyro Trilogy definitely aren't AAA games but they have definitely shown that they are MUCH more popular than AAA shit that people got extremely hyped for then completely turned their back on once they found out the games were complete garbage. games like Fallout 76, Star Wars Battlefront 3 and Anthem.


The Switch has been getting tonnes of third party support, both extremely old games like Skyrim, Diablo 3 and Ni No Kuni. And also alot of more modern Third Party Games such as the Crash and Spyro Remakes, The Witcher 3, Mortal Kombat 11, South Park the Fractured But Whole, Wolfenstein Youngblood and DOOM Eternal.

What's that? some games take longer to come out on Switch than they do the PS4 and Xbox One such as the Spyro Trilogy? well the PC version of the Spyro remake is also coming a year after the PS4 and Xbox One versions, and the PC version is objectively the superior version over the PS4 and xbox versions.



the point is the Nintendo Switch will be fine. the hardware sales of the system have already proven it and the systems Library only continues to get bigger and bigger. Even without the precious "AAA" support.

 

[Mad World]

you haven't just been talking about graphics though. you've been saying Switch won't be getting 3rd Party support because of the new consoles Sony and MS will have later.

No - I haven't been saying that. You're confusing me with someone else. Look back at my other posts for reference.

 

[Yoshi178]

you haven't just been talking about graphics though. you've been saying Switch won't be getting 3rd Party support because of the new consoles Sony and MS will have later.

No - I haven't been saying that. You're confusing me with someone else. Look back at my other posts for reference.

just edited it after noticing that.

 

[Silvanus]

Not saying that it is or isn't the Switch's problem; just that it's the reality. It's not a complicated concept. I'm not creating some very specific, unfair, unrealistic set of circumstances. There are many people who don't give a shit about mobility, and who care solely about third-party games. If people looked at this objectively, they would be able to provide good advice to said people who care about third-party titles. However, some people think, "Oh, it's just slightly worse graphics and not always being able to be at 60 FPS, so it's no big difference." These people - if they were to give advice to people who want to choose a console, don't care about mobility, and care only about third-party titles - would likely give poor advice. In other words, it could mean people getting a console that isn't as beneficial (when compared with Xbox One or PlayStation 4) for what they want.

Alrighty, and I'm sure there are people who don't care about power or getting the newest third-party games, for whom the Xbox or PS4 might be the wrong choice.

It's an odd thing to be concerned about, whether or not people are getting the right advice about which console to buy from ramdomers online.

 

[Phoenixmgs_v1legacy]

Alrighty, and I'm sure there are people who don't care about power or getting the newest third-party games, for whom the Xbox or PS4 might be the wrong choice.

So, then a PS3/360 would be the right choice for them then? Or now a PS4/Xbone because they are at the end of their generation?

 

[Mad World]

you haven't just been talking about graphics though. you've been saying Switch won't be getting 3rd Party support because of the new consoles Sony and MS will have later.

No - I haven't been saying that. You're confusing me with someone else. Look back at my other posts for reference.

just edited it after noticing that.

Some have been. I'm responding to the topic of third-party titles being inferior on the Switch. Even if no one brought it up until now, it doesn't matter; it's definitely noteworthy.

Alrighty, and I'm sure there are people who don't care about power or getting the newest third-party games, for whom the Xbox or PS4 might be the wrong choice.

It's an odd thing to be concerned about, whether or not people are getting the right advice about which console to buy from ramdomers online.

Yes - I'm sure that there are. However, there was debate about games being inferior on the Switch. That's what I'm responding to. And, no, it's not an odd thing - at least, it's not for the people to whom the advice is being given. Never stated that it had to be "randomers." It could be their friends. If their friends held the same odd notion that some of the people here seem to possess, they wouldn't get good advice. Good advice would paint the whole picture: that the Switch has some benefits like mobility, but that the games are objectively inferior with respect to performance and visuals (on average).

 

[Silvanus]

So, then a PS3/360 would be the right choice for them then? Or now a PS4/Xbone because they are at the end of their generation?

It'll depend on the person. I don't know; I'm not offering advice.

 

[Phoenixmgs_v1legacy]

So, then a PS3/360 would be the right choice for them then? Or now a PS4/Xbone because they are at the end of their generation?

It'll depend on the person. I don't know; I'm not offering advice.

I'm just trying to show the Switch has a rather narrow main userbase as my friends' that have Switchs are already complaining about the lack of games after Nintendo's initial splurge of games. And, one of them is the kind of person that buys a bunch of games on a whim that he never actually gets to playing. I wanna play a few games on the Switch but it really is just a waste to pay $300+ (as I'll want the pro controller) for hardware for probably like 5 games at the most.

 

[ObsidianJones_v1legacy]

So, then a PS3/360 would be the right choice for them then? Or now a PS4/Xbone because they are at the end of their generation?

It'll depend on the person. I don't know; I'm not offering advice.

I'm just trying to show the Switch has a rather narrow main userbase as my friends' that have Switchs are already complaining about the lack of games after Nintendo's initial splurge of games. And, one of them is the kind of person that buys a bunch of games on a whim that he never actually gets to playing. I wanna play a few games on the Switch but it really is just a waste to pay $300+ (as I'll want the pro controller) for hardware for probably like 5 games at the most.

That Depends on your Perception.

Hello, I'm Average Worker-Man. I have two kids, a wife, and I spent most of my time travelling to and from work. I like to believe I own a PS4 pro, but the second I get home, my kids are on it. And when they go to bed, I should spend time with my wife.

On the weekend, the kids are on it and I'm out doing chores with the Missus.

To me, I spent around 1000 dollars (did I mention I have PSVR with say Five games I really like) for my children to be entertained most of the time, and myself maybe a few hours each week.

I also have a Nintendo Switch.

That comes with me when I commute to work, when I'm in the bathroom, when I'm out running errands with the Missus I'm not actively doing anything for, and when I travel.

I paid 470 for the Switch and Five Games. If my commute is 40 minutes per way, that means I could potentially have Six hours and 40 minutes just for work. Bathroom time, errands, what have you. I can potentially get 10 hours of uninterrupted game time per week with my Switch.

"But Mr. Average Work-Man," I hear you say (and yes, I changed my Name). "The Switch Works better when docked. What are you going to do, Buy a tv for just playing the switch?"

No, my Good Man. I'm going to buy a 14 inch portable TV [https://www.amazon.com/Portable-Kitchen-Built-Television-Multimedia-LEADSTAR/dp/B075V3T3V5/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?keywords=14%2Binch%2Bportable%2Btv&qid=1562009361&s=gateway&sr=8-1-spons&th=1] that has three hours of Internal Power that can hook into my Samsung S10 plus and turn that tv into basically a Chrome book when I want... and then make the excuse that because I get around 3 black outs per year, it's to keep in touch with what is happening around here.

And then I'm going to use said set up in a family trip I just took (this past weekend) and never be bored.

Ok, the character with the wife and kids aside, this is literally stuff I've done. And I personally get endless fun with SF 3rd Strike (the best fighting game ever made), Diablo 3, Splatoon 2, Lumines, Bayonetta 2, Hyrule Warriors, Dead Cells, Arms, Dragonball 2 Xenoverse, Dragon's Dogma, and Sudoku.

I'm getting into Darksiders, War Tech Fighters (although the Jank is high with this one), City of Brass, Immortal Redneck, and Monster Hunter Generations.

I'm looking forward to Astral Chain, Attack on Titan 2, God Eater 2, Persona 5 Scramble, and Daemon X Machina.

There are games for the Switch. Other than Splatoon 2, Monster Hunter Generations, Bayonetta 2, and Hyrule Warriors, most of these games can be found on other systems than Nintendo.

I didn't mention Super Mario Maker 2, Terraria, Moto GP 19, Fifa, NBA 2k, Super Neptuina RPG, Bloodstained, Crash Team Racing, My Friend Pedro, Smite, Realm Royale, Cadence of Hyrule, Among The Sleep, Brothers, Sword Art Online, Team Sonic Racing (Sonic and All Stars Racing Transformed is the best Kart racer ever made, and I'll take on all people who want to @ me over it.), Assassin's Creed 3, RE4, Sniper Elite v2 Remastered, Deponia, Cuphead, FF X, The Phoenix Wright Trilogy, Super Dragonball Heroes, Yoshi's Crafted World, not to mention all the First Party Titles and the Indies and all the other Third Parties I didn't mention here... There are games. There are a ton of games. If someone likes a game doesn't preclude its actual existence.

 

[Phoenixmgs_v1legacy]

That Depends on your Perception.

Hello, I'm Average Worker-Man. I have two kids, a wife, and I spent most of my time travelling to and from work. I like to believe I own a PS4 pro, but the second I get home, my kids are on it. And when they go to bed, I should spend time with my wife.

On the weekend, the kids are on it and I'm out doing chores with the Missus.

To me, I spent around 1000 dollars (did I mention I have PSVR with say Five games I really like) for my children to be entertained most of the time, and myself maybe a few hours each week.

I also have a Nintendo Switch.

That comes with me when I commute to work, when I'm in the bathroom, when I'm out running errands with the Missus I'm not actively doing anything for, and when I travel.

I paid 470 for the Switch and Five Games. If my commute is 40 minutes per way, that means I could potentially have Six hours and 40 minutes just for work. Bathroom time, errands, what have you. I can potentially get 10 hours of uninterrupted game time per week with my Switch.

"But Mr. Average Work-Man," I hear you say (and yes, I changed my Name). "The Switch Works better when docked. What are you going to do, Buy a tv for just playing the switch?"

No, my Good Man. I'm going to buy a 14 inch portable TV [https://www.amazon.com/Portable-Kitchen-Built-Television-Multimedia-LEADSTAR/dp/B075V3T3V5/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?keywords=14%2Binch%2Bportable%2Btv&qid=1562009361&s=gateway&sr=8-1-spons&th=1] that has three hours of Internal Power that can hook into my Samsung S10 plus and turn that tv into basically a Chrome book when I want... and then make the excuse that because I get around 3 black outs per year, it's to keep in touch with what is happening around here.

And then I'm going to use said set up in a family trip I just took (this past weekend) and never be bored.

Ok, the character with the wife and kids aside, this is literally stuff I've done. And I personally get endless fun with SF 3rd Strike (the best fighting game ever made), Diablo 3, Splatoon 2, Lumines, Bayonetta 2, Hyrule Warriors, Dead Cells, Arms, Dragonball 2 Xenoverse, Dragon's Dogma, and Sudoku.

I'm getting into Darksiders, War Tech Fighters (although the Jank is high with this one), City of Brass, Immortal Redneck, and Monster Hunter Generations.

I'm looking forward to Astral Chain, Attack on Titan 2, God Eater 2, Persona 5 Scramble, and Daemon X Machina.

There are games for the Switch. Other than Splatoon 2, Monster Hunter Generations, Bayonetta 2, and Hyrule Warriors, most of these games can be found on other systems than Nintendo.

I didn't mention Super Mario Maker 2, Terraria, Moto GP 19, Fifa, NBA 2k, Super Neptuina RPG, Bloodstained, Crash Team Racing, My Friend Pedro, Smite, Realm Royale, Cadence of Hyrule, Among The Sleep, Brothers, Sword Art Online, Team Sonic Racing (Sonic and All Stars Racing Transformed is the best Kart racer ever made, and I'll take on all people who want to @ me over it.), Assassin's Creed 3, RE4, Sniper Elite v2 Remastered, Deponia, Cuphead, FF X, The Phoenix Wright Trilogy, Super Dragonball Heroes, Yoshi's Crafted World, not to mention all the First Party Titles and the Indies and all the other Third Parties I didn't mention here... There are games. There are a ton of games. If someone likes a game doesn't preclude its actual existence.

Like I said earlier in this thread, my phone has better games than what are available on the Switch. I can play those when I'm on the go. Most of the Switch 3rd-party Switch games I've either played already (as they are at least a gen old) or I passed on because I wasn't interested in the 1st place. You could buy a 2nd PS4 for yourself if the kids hog it, it's the same price as the Switch.