The future of major third party Switch games will be mid-budget

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Yoshi178 said:
the people who don't care about playing on the go should play on the PC Master Race if all they care about is graphics

why would you waste your money on a console with shitty graphics like a PS4 or an Xbox One when everyone knows that PC literally always has the best graphics?

god guys!
I've mentioned this already: "Comparing console to PC is a bit different, as a lot of people are (whether or not it's true) turned off by the seemingly higher entry price of PC gaming. Additionally, setting up a PC (even if the PC itself is pre-made) may intimidate some people. However, it's much easier (and true) to claim that if you don't care about portability and Switch first-party titles, you're better off with an Xbox One or PlayStation 4. After all, the price and setup are virtually identical. May as well get the one that is better for what you want."

Additionally, Xbox One and PlayStation 4 are more likely to play third-party games at 60 FPS. Many people prefer to play on a T.V., and many T.V.s only go up to 60 FPS. So, when you account for that, accessibility, and the (not necessarily correct) belief that many hold that PC is more expensive, you can see why many would choose console. Thus, I am stating that PlayStation 4 and Xbox One are the objectively superior choice to the Switch if you don't care about first-party titles or mobility.
 

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Chimpzy said:
Johnny Novgorod said:
"Worst-selling console in company's history that got choked to death 3 years into existence and whose entire library got quickly ported to a newer, better-selling console" doesn't scream success story on any level.
Well, not the entire library.

Where are my Mario 3D World, Wonderful 101 and Tokyo Mirage Sessions ports, Nintendo?
Probably a case of not bothering with games that didn't sell very well or, in the case of Mario, the incessant releases make ports of previous iterations irrelevant.

Either way the Wii U is the lowest-selling Nintendo console and one of their biggest fiascos.
 

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ok? there are also a fuckload more people using mobile phones than there are people using PS4's or Xbox Ones.
what's your point?
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The point is that there is no point because making a point requires to just say what's on their mind instead of tap dancing around it
 

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Johnny Novgorod said:
Chimpzy said:
Johnny Novgorod said:
"Worst-selling console in company's history that got choked to death 3 years into existence and whose entire library got quickly ported to a newer, better-selling console" doesn't scream success story on any level.
Well, not the entire library.

Where are my Mario 3D World, Wonderful 101 and Tokyo Mirage Sessions ports, Nintendo?
Probably a case of not bothering with games that didn't sell very well or, in the case of Mario, the incessant releases make ports of previous iterations irrelevant.

Either way the Wii U is the lowest-selling Nintendo console and one of their biggest fiascos.
Virtual Boy says hi.
 

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1. i never said the next Nintendo console will definitely come out exactly 4 years after release
2. the average videogame console usually only stays on the market for 5-6 years before the next one comes out. the PS4 has been on the market for an extensive amount of time and more than likely due to it's high sales numbers.
3. why the fuck do you care if Nintendo DOES even end up releasing their next system after only 4 years? you're the one that wants a more powerful Nintendo machine sooner rather than later. crying about a short shelf life is just contradicting yourself.

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it does make videogaming consoles like Sony and MS do though.

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ok? there are also a fuckload more people using mobile phones than there are people using PS4's or Xbox Ones.
what's your point?
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1) You said Nintendo will probably be almost ready with another system like that's a good thing or something.
2) Video game consoles have longer lifespans now because of diminishing returns in graphical advancements. PS3 released in 2006 - PS4 in 2013 - PS5 in most likely 2020. That's 7 years now and I'm sure most people would be fine if current-gen lasted even longer.
3) I want Nintendo to compete with Sony and Microsoft and try and make a system that can be a primary gaming system so it doesn't feel like I'm paying $300 just play a small handful of games. Also, Nintendo makes you buy shit you don't want like the stupid tablet with the WiiU, the portability and joy-cons of the Switch. Why can't there be an option to buy just the WiiU console with a real controller if you didn't want the tablet bullshit? Why can't Nintendo have the option of buying the just a box with Switch hardware that plugs into the TV with a real controller for like $100 less for those that don't care about portability and thus don't need to pay for a screen they won't use? It's not that different than M$ forcing the Kinect on initial Xbone buyers. Both Sony and M$ make multiple version of their systems, why can't Nintendo?

That leads into how Nintendo is not competing with Sony or M$ because Nintendo is making a secondary gaming system or now a primary portable system with the Switch. Just about no one only games on a Switch, you have PS4/PC/Xbone + Switch.

PSs and Xboxs aren't mobile gaming systems thus they aren't competing for the 'gaming-on-the-go' market obviously. Like Dirty Hipsters said with Ford Pinto with wings, why am I going to by a system that's a bad home console and bad portable gaming device? Just because it does both better than anyone else doesn't make it very desirable. If exclusive games are literally the only reason to play on said system, it's not that good of a system now is it? The Switch is no different than the Epic Store, zing of the day!!! [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFW0dU9Jbg0]

Yoshi178 said:
why would you waste your money on a console with shitty graphics like a PS4 or an Xbox One when everyone knows that PC literally always has the best graphics?

god guys!
Graphics have reached diminishing returns and people don't care about graphics that much. Not to mention, history shows that many dominant systems didn't have the best graphics. What separates the Switch from the PS4/Xbone isn't that the graphics aren't up to par, it's that the hardware is just so behind everyone else that it can't support most games (without devs massively downgrading their games). There's a reason why Pocket FFXV is on the Switch and not actual FFXV. Just like why a Nintendo system ain't going to get FFVII Remake or Cyberpunk or [insert massively hyped AAA game that isn't 1st party Nintendo game].
 

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Phoenixmgs said:
Yoshi178 said:
1. i never said the next Nintendo console will definitely come out exactly 4 years after release
2. the average videogame console usually only stays on the market for 5-6 years before the next one comes out. the PS4 has been on the market for an extensive amount of time and more than likely due to it's high sales numbers.
3. why the fuck do you care if Nintendo DOES even end up releasing their next system after only 4 years? you're the one that wants a more powerful Nintendo machine sooner rather than later. crying about a short shelf life is just contradicting yourself.

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it does make videogaming consoles like Sony and MS do though.

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ok? there are also a fuckload more people using mobile phones than there are people using PS4's or Xbox Ones.
what's your point?
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1) You said Nintendo will probably be almost ready with another system like that's a good thing or something.

isn't it? if you're worried about how the switch will compete with PS5 an Xbone then isn't it a good thing if we don't have to wait long until Nintendo release's something to compete with those machines?


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That leads into how Nintendo is not competing with Sony or M$ because Nintendo is making a secondary gaming system or now a primary portable system with the Switch. Just about no one only games on a Switch, you have PS4/PC/Xbone + Switch.
explain how having multiple systems means they aren't in the same market? it just means that person wants to experience everything that market has to offer.

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PSs and Xboxs aren't mobile gaming systems thus they aren't competing for the 'gaming-on-the-go' market obviously. Like Dirty Hipsters said with Ford Pinto with wings, why am I going to by a system that's a bad home console and bad portable gaming device? Just because it does both better than anyone else doesn't make it very desirable.
the fact that PS4 and Xbox One aren't mobile is complete shit. why can't Sony and MS make a machine that i can both play on my tv and take it on the go with me? i spend the majority of my week at my full time job after all. being able to play my games in the lunchroom easily would be great. why won't they let me do that?

Phoenixmgs said:
Graphics have reached diminishing returns and people don't care about graphics that much.
exactly. they want to play on both their tv and also take their games on the go with them which is why the Switch is selling so well. :3
 

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Mad World said:
Thus, I am stating that PlayStation 4 and Xbox One are the objectively superior choice to the Switch if you don't care about first-party titles or mobility.
That's not a very compelling point-- "X is the objectively better choice, if you don't care about the unique selling points of Y".
 

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Yoshi178 said:
isn't it? if you're worried about how the switch will compete with PS5 an Xbone then isn't it a good thing if we don't have to wait long until Nintendo release's something to compete with those machines?

explain how having multiple systems means they aren't in the same market? it just means that person wants to experience everything that market has to offer.

the fact that PS4 and Xbox One aren't mobile is complete shit. why can't Sony and MS make a machine that i can both play on my tv and take it on the go with me? i spend the majority of my week at my full time job after all. being able to play my games in the lunchroom easily would be great. why won't they let me do that?

exactly. they want to play on both their tv and also take their games on the go with them which is why the Switch is selling so well. :3
Well, Nintendo's last 3 systems show they don't care about competing with Sony and M$ so get back to me when they actually release a system with competent hardware. Also, keep in mind that PS4 and Xbone didn't even go for high-end hardware and Nintendo's system that came out 4 years after those systems have hardware that is at least a gen behind them.

Just ask anyone on this board (or any video game board) what their most played system was for last-gen? It will be the PS3, 360 or PC, it won't be the Wii that sold more than any console that gen. Nintendo systems aren't primary gaming platforms plain and simple. How can't you realize that simple fact? A gamer will either 1st choose PC/PS/Xbox, then a Nintendo system if they wanna play Nintendo games enough. Buying a Switch is not taking a sale away from Sony or M$, thus not competing in the same market space.

You can't make a system that does both well, which is why, until the Switch, you've never had any piece of hardware that was both a home system and a portable system. The Switch demonstrates it can't do both well enough either. It's like asking why can't a car manufacturer make a car that also flies. You can play better games on an $80 phone during lunch than you can on the Switch so why are you playing Switch games at lunch in the 1st place? Just for the novelty really.

Again, sales numbers is not a good sign of how good something is (popularity never has been). The Wii outsold PS3 and 360, and no one would say it was the best console of its generation.
 

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Silvanus said:
Mad World said:
Thus, I am stating that PlayStation 4 and Xbox One are the objectively superior choice to the Switch if you don't care about first-party titles or mobility.
That's not a very compelling point-- "X is the objectively better choice, if you don't care about the unique selling points of Y".
Well, Switch's selling point of mobile gaming is done better on phones that are less than $100 so the Switch has something unique compared to PS4/Xbone, but the unique element itself is executed very piss-poor.
 

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Well, Switch's selling point of mobile gaming is done better on phones that are less than $100 so the Switch has something unique compared to PS4/Xbone, but the unique element itself is executed very piss-poor.
You genuinely believe that games on your phone are better than those available on handhelds/ Switch?

That's just ludicrous.
 

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Silvanus said:
Phoenixmgs said:
Well, Switch's selling point of mobile gaming is done better on phones that are less than $100 so the Switch has something unique compared to PS4/Xbone, but the unique element itself is executed very piss-poor.
You genuinely believe that games on your phone are better than those available on handhelds/ Switch?

That's just ludicrous.
Most definitely, on my phone I can play Sentinels of the Multiverse, Through the Ages, TerraMystica, Baseball Highlights 2045, Tigris and Euphrates, Ticket to Ride, Small World 2, and plenty of other great games. The Switch definitely doesn't have better games than my phone, it's ludicrous thinking the Switch has a better library. Plus, I can play a multiplayer without the Switch bullshit and it's free.
 

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Phoenixmgs said:
Most definitely, on my phone I can play Sentinels of the Multiverse, Through the Ages, TerraMystica, Baseball Highlights 2045, Tigris and Euphrates, Ticket to Ride, Small World 2, and plenty of other great games. The Switch definitely doesn't have better games than my phone, it's ludicrous thinking the Switch has a better library.
It always astounds me how much greater your fun factually is compared to that of others.
 

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Most definitely, on my phone I can play Sentinels of the Multiverse, Through the Ages, TerraMystica, Baseball Highlights 2045, Tigris and Euphrates, Ticket to Ride, Small World 2, and plenty of other great games. The Switch definitely doesn't have better games than my phone, it's ludicrous thinking the Switch has a better library. Plus, I can play a multiplayer without the Switch bullshit and it's free.
I'm... genuinely unsure whether you're taking the piss or not.

Are you? You must be.
 

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Phoenixmgs said:
Silvanus said:
Phoenixmgs said:
Well, Switch's selling point of mobile gaming is done better on phones that are less than $100 so the Switch has something unique compared to PS4/Xbone, but the unique element itself is executed very piss-poor.
You genuinely believe that games on your phone are better than those available on handhelds/ Switch?

That's just ludicrous.
Most definitely, on my phone I can play Sentinels of the Multiverse, Through the Ages, TerraMystica, Baseball Highlights 2045, Tigris and Euphrates, Ticket to Ride, Small World 2, and plenty of other great games. The Switch definitely doesn't have better games than my phone, it's ludicrous thinking the Switch has a better library. Plus, I can play a multiplayer without the Switch bullshit and it's free.
Dementia must be setting in. It's your opinion, even if it sounds dumb.
 

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Silvanus said:
Phoenixmgs said:
Most definitely, on my phone I can play Sentinels of the Multiverse, Through the Ages, TerraMystica, Baseball Highlights 2045, Tigris and Euphrates, Ticket to Ride, Small World 2, and plenty of other great games. The Switch definitely doesn't have better games than my phone, it's ludicrous thinking the Switch has a better library. Plus, I can play a multiplayer without the Switch bullshit and it's free.
I'm... genuinely unsure whether you're taking the piss or not.

Are you? You must be.
i'm actually laughing so hard right now.
 

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Silvanus said:
Phoenixmgs said:
Most definitely, on my phone I can play Sentinels of the Multiverse, Through the Ages, TerraMystica, Baseball Highlights 2045, Tigris and Euphrates, Ticket to Ride, Small World 2, and plenty of other great games. The Switch definitely doesn't have better games than my phone, it's ludicrous thinking the Switch has a better library. Plus, I can play a multiplayer without the Switch bullshit and it's free.
I'm... genuinely unsure whether you're taking the piss or not.

Are you? You must be.
Here's screenshot from my phone


Board games are currently killing video games in game design and mechanics right now. I don't understand why everyone thinks I'm being hyperbolic or trolling or whatever. Have you played any of the games I listed?

CoCage said:
Phoenixmgs said:
Silvanus said:
Phoenixmgs said:
Well, Switch's selling point of mobile gaming is done better on phones that are less than $100 so the Switch has something unique compared to PS4/Xbone, but the unique element itself is executed very piss-poor.
You genuinely believe that games on your phone are better than those available on handhelds/ Switch?

That's just ludicrous.
Most definitely, on my phone I can play Sentinels of the Multiverse, Through the Ages, TerraMystica, Baseball Highlights 2045, Tigris and Euphrates, Ticket to Ride, Small World 2, and plenty of other great games. The Switch definitely doesn't have better games than my phone, it's ludicrous thinking the Switch has a better library. Plus, I can play a multiplayer without the Switch bullshit and it's free.
Dementia must be setting in. It's your opinion, even if it sounds dumb.
Have you played any of the games I listed?
 

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Phoenixmgs said:
Have you played any of the games I listed?
Have you played The Legend of Zelda Breath of the Wild? also known as the 2017 videogame of the year
 

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Yoshi178 said:
Phoenixmgs said:
Have you played any of the games I listed?
Have you played The Legend of Zelda Breath of the Wild? also known as the 2017 videogame of the year
No, it's an open world Zelda game, it's not some wildly different and new game experience. All the games I listed are wildly different. I doubt you even played a game in their genre, let alone the games themselves. And, Divinity OS2 released in 2017, I doubt Zelda is better.
 

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Phoenixmgs said:
No, it's an open world Zelda game, it's not some wildly different and new game experience. All the games I listed are wildly different. I doubt you even played a game in their genre, let alone the games themselves. And, Divinity OS2 released in 2017, I doubt Zelda is better.
So it's you just assuming it's worse, rather than arguing from first-hand experience, and than presenting it as hard fact. Brilliant!
 

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Silvanus said:
Mad World said:
Thus, I am stating that PlayStation 4 and Xbox One are the objectively superior choice to the Switch if you don't care about first-party titles or mobility.
That's not a very compelling point-- "X is the objectively better choice, if you don't care about the unique selling points of Y".
Well, that's basically the main strategy when an argument has flimsy reasoning; if it crumbles then just change the rules or cheat.