The Jiggly Problem

[DoPo]

It's entirely possible the OP missed an opportunity to start a discussion with a pretty girl because he was so self conscious. So, instead she moved on to men with more confidence.

And I think it's entirely possible you are correct. That is what I thought initially as well.

 

[GigaHz]

I see what you're saying but I take issue with the idea that the fact that a character drawn with large breasts is perverse by default. To suggest that is to suggest that large breasts are inherently perverse. Are the majority of large-breasted characters given large breasts for mostly sexual reason? You bet. But it's not impossible for a character to just have a large bust. Please note I'm refering to "normal" large not cartoonishly large.

That argument would only fly if the woman looked proportionate.

The example given by the OP does not. There is no way, short of implants, that a woman who looked like that could get breasts that are that big. To pretend for a second that this wasn't done for sex appeal is a bit of a stretch.

I'm sure that there are animated characters who have a large bust within reason, but the stereotype is over-the-top unrealistic.

 

[Micalas]

I see what you're saying but I take issue with the idea that the fact that a character drawn with large breasts is perverse by default. To suggest that is to suggest that large breasts are inherently perverse. Are the majority of large-breasted characters given large breasts for mostly sexual reason? You bet. But it's not impossible for a character to just have a large bust. Please note I'm refering to "normal" large not cartoonishly large.

That argument would only fly if the woman looked proportionate.

The example given by the OP does not. There is no way, short of implants, that a woman who looked like that could get breasts that are that big. To pretend for a second that this wasn't done for sex appeal is a bit of a stretch.

I'm sure that there are animated characters who have a large bust within reason, but the stereotype is over-the-top unrealistic.

I wasn't commenting specifically on the picture in the OP but looking at it again, I'm sure Kim Kardashian could pull off the character in a live action adaptation. That said, the character was most definitely drawn that way for sex appeal. It's obvious by the way the clothes are drawn. My argument for that character specifically would probably be a little stronger if she buttoned up though.

 

[Mr Cwtchy]

Yup, first rule to men. When a woman starts a conversation, CONTINUE IT.

"lol, yeah, the cartoon women really are overdone, I wish they would draw them more realistically". Then actually talk to the girl...

Why would you want to converse with a girl who feels the need to lecture people she doesn't even know?

 

[Micalas]

Yup, first rule to men. When a woman starts a conversation, CONTINUE IT.

"lol, yeah, the cartoon women really are overdone, I wish they would draw them more realistically". Then actually talk to the girl...

Why would you want to converse with a girl who feels the need to lecture people she doesn't even know?

Eh? It's a discussion forum. We're discussing. I don't see the problem. I think things have been going rather smoothly.

 

[Mr Cwtchy]

Yup, first rule to men. When a woman starts a conversation, CONTINUE IT.

"lol, yeah, the cartoon women really are overdone, I wish they would draw them more realistically". Then actually talk to the girl...

Why would you want to converse with a girl who feels the need to lecture people she doesn't even know?

Eh? It's a discussion forum. We're discussing. I don't see the problem. I think things have been going rather smoothly.

Er, I meant the girl in the OPs story.

Also...
CAPCHA: Edmund's osreger

 

[soren7550]

I thought this would be a conversation about Lady Aribeth. My mistake.

And I thought it was going to be about Jigglypuff. -_-'

Spoiler

(please tell me if the boob picture goes against the rules. I'd think not since they're covered, but I could be wrong.)

 

[Micalas]

Even if the girl said, word for word, when the OP claims, the tone or thinking behind it is biased by his own insecurities. He didn't say ANYTHING in return, that, combined with his obvious dislike of the "jocks" suggests that he just assumes it was negative.

It's actually a perfect opening for a conversation if the guy has the brains to respond to it. She could easily have meant it in a teasing way. Or she could have just been having a bad day and a friendly response would have opened the door to more in the future.

Sorry, I misunderstood. I thought you were commenting on the futility of internet arguments. That makes much more sense.

 

[artanis_neravar]

I see what you're saying but I take issue with the idea that the fact that a character drawn with large breasts is perverse by default. To suggest that is to suggest that large breasts are inherently perverse. Are the majority of large-breasted characters given large breasts for mostly sexual reason? You bet. But it's not impossible for a character to just have a large bust. Please note I'm refering to "normal" large not cartoonishly large.

That argument would only fly if the woman looked proportionate.

The example given by the OP does not. There is no way, short of implants, that a woman who looked like that could get breasts that are that big. To pretend for a second that this wasn't done for sex appeal is a bit of a stretch.

I'm sure that there are animated characters who have a large bust within reason, but the stereotype is over-the-top unrealistic.

Yup, first rule to men. When a woman starts a conversation, CONTINUE IT.

"lol, yeah, the cartoon women really are overdone, I wish they would draw them more realistically". Then actually talk to the girl...

As long as he doesn't actually use the word "lol"

First rule to women, if you don't know me, and try to lecture me be prepared to get told to fuck off

EDIT: Not sure why I quoted you twice there

 

[Pebblig]

Women's boobs, specifically.

How many other genders do you know that have boobs?

le snip

Oh there are some men with boobs. Man boobs if you will...

Otherwise as I like to call them "Moobs".

 

[Mr Cwtchy]

The hardest thing in the world is opening a conversation with the opposite sex when you are young.

Even if the girl said, word for word, when the OP claims, the tone or thinking behind it is biased by his own insecurities. He didn't say ANYTHING in return, that, combined with his obvious dislike of the "jocks" suggests that he just assumes it was negative.

It's actually a perfect opening for a conversation if the guy has the brains to respond to it. She could easily have meant it in a teasing way. Or she could have just been having a bad day and a friendly response would have opened the door to more in the future.

Or she could just be a judgemental(perhaps even sexist) ***** like her quote seems to pretty obviously suggest to me, considering I have no earthly clue how:
"What, if they're not a C cup or better they're not good enough for you?"
can possibly be intended as 'teasing'.

Regardless, the OP didn't even bring up trouble with women, how is that even relevant? Fact of the matter is, he was minding his own business, she came up and criticised him with no provocation.

 

[KillKill]

You call that a jiggly problem?

this is a Jiggly problem!

Spoiler

Other than this stupid poke-joke... I have nothing to add.

I only came here because that's what I thought this was going to be about...

 

[OmniscientOstrich]

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Are you seriously moaning you cant oogle tits IRL?

I think in the context of this situation he's annoyed that some random stranger came up and rather obnoxiously chastised him and characterised him as a lecher one minute, then turning around and acting perfectly amiable towards the football guys who were observing equally explicit material. Now leaving the content to on side, the action of pestering someone over their reading material seems increadibly invasive on its own merits. If I'm sat on the bus minding my own business and reading a book/magazine/whatever and then some random guy/girl comes up to me and opines 'Hah! You're reading that?! That's shit! God, you're such a loser!' then my automatic inclination is to coldly reply something along the lines of 'Yeah, I don't recall asking for your opinion' (provided I can't snap up something wittier) and then continue to diligently ignore them and get back to my reading. For the other person to expect any other kind of response really just speaks to their arrogance. Anyway, getting back to the situation at hand, the girl in this scenario really comes off like an absolute tool. Now bear in mind, I'm not trying to generalise here, or say this is something women do (I see plenty of guys do this), I'm merely talking about the women in question and anyone like her regardless of gender/orientation who behaves in this contradictory manner, I would not hesitate to label them as such. Anyone who vehemently speaks their mind around people they have no romantic/sexual interest in and then immediately drops their principles and hides their true feelings on the matter the moment they're faced with attractive, potential suitor's in the hopes ingratiating themselves with the guy/girl/intermediate just for the sake of companionship further down the line, comes across as extremely fickle.

Also your example isn't a double standard.

Uh, yeah, it kind of is:

Double Standard: A set of principles that allows greater freedom to one person or group than to another.

Dress it up as being some kind of biological imperative/social Darwinism all you like, that still doesn't change the fact that the girl in question is allowing greater leniency to the football guys, than people like the OP. She's abandoning her convictions to ingratiate herself with one group of people in spite of committing a certain action, while deriding/lecturing another group of people for committing the same action. Ergo, there is a double standard. Now then, if the OP is saying that this is a double standard is something that happens on a large/majority scale or that it is only employed by women, then I disagree. There are more than enough shallow men who will brazenly insult someone they have no romantic interest in and then turn right around and won't dare to say anything that might risk offending the pretty girl so they can keep their chances with them alive. This is also something the 'why do women only date jerks?' crowd seems to overlook, men are perfectly capable of being just shallow and or disingenuous as (in fact I would argue more so than) women. Perhaps I'm going far off topic with that, but just wanted to establish that kind thing isn't unique to either gender and to the OP I would say; the girl is a tool, don't worry, forget about her, but also don't use that one person as some kind of representation for the behaviour patterns for an entire gender. Anyway, getting more to general topic at hand; tits. OP, look dude, I don't know if there exists some kind stigma about oggling some girls funbags being necessarily more offensive than eyeing up any other part of her body, but I would imagine most women would take umbrage with you outright leering at any part of her body for an extended period of time. Whether it be jock or nerd who's doing it, staring at someone like that is more likely than not going to creep them out, being well built generally isn't going to net you a free pass, it's the behaviour not the person doing it that people find dodgy/unnerving. Perhaps it's that eyefucking someone's cleavage is more conspicuous than eyeing up their legs or whatever, but in any case you shouldn't be doing something that's going to make them feel uncomfortable. Sure, everyone takes quick glances when checking someone out, but for the love of the maker, be subtle about it, don't give prolonged gazes and bloody salivate over them. As for the grand scheme of things and representation in media, well many (keeping vague so as not to generalise) guys kind of have a fixation with breasts and for many women this can be a source of insecurity. So when you have female characters, whether they be animated or live action all ridiculously stacked while being super skinny as well, landing themselves in obsequious and totally impracticle poses it becomes rather immediately obvious what demographic they're pandering towards. In the grand scheme of things, I guess my only answer for why there is such a fixation with breasts in the media and what have you is that they are the most conspicuous aspect of the female form and the easiest to exploit to spike up male viewership (I...think that's a word...) but I seriously doubt it's that much more offensive than objectifying any other body part. At any rate OP, that double standard isn't exclusive to either gender and it's the staring that's creepy regardless of whether it's the tits, ass or legs your vision is fixed upon. That's my belated two cents at least.

 

[Woodsey]

I hear that the face is on the same side of a girl's body as her breasts, so presumably they notice more when we stare at them.

I have never looked up far enough to see this so-called, "Female Face".

Also, I'd imagine it's a rough equivalent to penis envy.

 

[Woodsey]

I hear that the face is on the same side of a girl's body as her breasts, so presumably they notice more when we stare at them.

I have never looked up far enough to see this so-called, "Female Face".

You have no idea how many men "talk to our breasts" when having conversations with us.

The internal struggle to look in vaguely the right region is both eternal and painful. Like some form of boob-induced ADHD.

 

[Paragon Fury]

The hardest thing in the world is opening a conversation with the opposite sex when you are young.

Even if the girl said, word for word, when the OP claims, the tone or thinking behind it is biased by his own insecurities. He didn't say ANYTHING in return, that, combined with his obvious dislike of the "jocks" suggests that he just assumes it was negative.

It's actually a perfect opening for a conversation if the guy has the brains to respond to it. She could easily have meant it in a teasing way. Or she could have just been having a bad day and a friendly response would have opened the door to more in the future.

Or she could just be a judgemental(perhaps even sexist) ***** like her quote seems to pretty obviously suggest to me, considering I have no earthly clue how:
"What, if they're not a C cup or better they're not good enough for you?"
can possibly be intended as 'teasing'.

Regardless, the OP didn't even bring up trouble with women, how is that even relevant? Fact of the matter is, he was minding his own business, she came up and criticised him with no provocation.

Facts we don't have matter...like was she a C cup? lol

Nope. Flat-chested.

 

[Smooth Operator]

Well you can stick the whole high pressure surrounding boobs on "supply and demand", the demand is high and supply very low, which puts a lot of pressure on the owners.
They want you to want them and yet keep you at bay, it's just not easy to keep up all that social drama

As for your exact situation, the girl wanted to strike up a conversation, sure she was a bit on edge because that picture put her own assets to shame, but she was looking for contact none the less.
And since you didn't reciprocate she scampered off to find new play mates, who incidentally were admiring ladies she can compete with.

 

[Swifteye]

I thought this would be a conversation about Lady Aribeth. My mistake.

I thought it was going to be about jigglypuff or calling people jiggly face. Or about the fatness.

 

[Necroid_Neko]

Oh he's one of those people that we anime fans don't talk about. The kind that doesn't just have love pillow sex, but love pillow orgies with multiples different pillows. I'm going to have to ask that you pretend that it never happened, pretend you never knew him, and just let my team take care of this. You saw nothing.

Also, apologies for the misinterpretation

Please make sure the items are fully incinerated, they are somewhat...dirty...

Ironically he doesn't have any love pillows, just a bunch of videos and a preference for his hand over me...
Or to keep on topic, he doesn't have any love pillows but he doesn't have any love for MY pillows either! (Sorry, my sense of humour is somewhat childish ^_^)

 

[Abedeus]

You hit the nail on the head there. I'd just like to point out that while a good number of men look at breasts first, most of my friends and I look at the face first

Women have faces!?

Tilt your head up.

...

Wait for it.

That's sorcery, I say! Burn the witcher!