Paragon Fury said:
Phasmal said:
Are you seriously moaning you cant oogle tits IRL?
I think in the context of this situation he's annoyed that some random stranger came up and rather obnoxiously chastised him and characterised him as a lecher one minute, then turning around and acting perfectly amiable towards the football guys who were observing equally explicit material. Now leaving the content to on side, the action of pestering someone over their reading material seems increadibly invasive on its own merits. If I'm sat on the bus minding my own business and reading a book/magazine/whatever and then some random guy/girl comes up to me and opines 'Hah! You're reading that?! That's shit! God, you're such a loser!' then my automatic inclination is to coldly reply something along the lines of 'Yeah, I don't recall asking for your opinion' (provided I can't snap up something wittier) and then continue to diligently ignore them and get back to my reading. For the other person to expect any other kind of response really just speaks to their arrogance. Anyway, getting back to the situation at hand, the girl in this scenario really comes off like an absolute tool. Now bear in mind, I'm not trying to generalise here, or say this is something women do (I see plenty of guys do this), I'm merely talking about the women in question and anyone like her regardless of gender/orientation who behaves in this contradictory manner, I would not hesitate to label them as such. Anyone who vehemently speaks their mind around people they have no romantic/sexual interest in and then immediately drops their principles and hides their true feelings on the matter the moment they're faced with attractive, potential suitor's in the hopes ingratiating themselves with the guy/girl/intermediate just for the sake of companionship further down the line, comes across as extremely fickle.
Regnes said:
Also your example isn't a double standard.
Uh, yeah, it kind of is:
Double Standard: A set of principles that allows greater freedom to one person or group than to another.
Dress it up as being some kind of biological imperative/social Darwinism all you like, that still doesn't change the fact that the girl in question is allowing greater leniency to the football guys, than people like the OP. She's abandoning her convictions to ingratiate herself with one group of people in spite of committing a certain action, while deriding/lecturing another group of people for committing the same action. Ergo, there is a double standard. Now then, if the OP is saying that this is a double standard is something that happens on a large/majority scale or that it is only employed by women, then I disagree. There are more than enough shallow men who will brazenly insult someone they have no romantic interest in and then turn right around and won't dare to say anything that might risk offending the pretty girl so they can keep their chances with them alive. This is also something the 'why do women only date jerks?' crowd seems to overlook, men are perfectly capable of being just shallow and or disingenuous as (in fact I would argue more so than) women. Perhaps I'm going far off topic with that, but just wanted to establish that kind thing isn't unique to either gender and to the OP I would say; the girl is a tool, don't worry, forget about her, but also don't use that one person as some kind of representation for the behaviour patterns for an entire gender. Anyway, getting more to general topic at hand; tits. OP, look dude, I don't know if there exists some kind stigma about oggling some girls funbags being necessarily
more offensive than eyeing up any other part of her body, but I would imagine most women would take umbrage with you outright leering at
any part of her body for an extended period of time. Whether it be jock or nerd who's doing it, staring at someone like that is more likely than not going to creep them out, being well built generally isn't going to net you a free pass, it's the behaviour not the person doing it that people find dodgy/unnerving. Perhaps it's that eyefucking someone's cleavage is more conspicuous than eyeing up their legs or whatever, but in any case you shouldn't be doing something that's going to make them feel uncomfortable. Sure, everyone takes quick glances when checking someone out, but for the love of the maker, be subtle about it, don't give prolonged gazes and bloody salivate over them. As for the grand scheme of things and representation in media, well many (keeping vague so as not to generalise) guys kind of have a fixation with breasts and for many women this can be a source of insecurity. So when you have female characters, whether they be animated or live action all ridiculously stacked while being super skinny as well, landing themselves in obsequious and totally impracticle poses it becomes rather immediately obvious what demographic they're pandering towards. In the grand scheme of things, I guess my only answer for why there is such a fixation with breasts in the media and what have you is that they are the most conspicuous aspect of the female form and the easiest to exploit to spike up male viewership (I...
think that's a word...) but I seriously doubt it's that much
more offensive than objectifying any other body part. At any rate OP, that double standard isn't exclusive to either gender and it's the staring that's creepy regardless of whether it's the tits, ass or legs your vision is fixed upon. That's my belated two cents at least.
