I've listened to the first link and there are a lot of things blatantly wrong, and the rest is just misleading. I can see where it would be convincing to someone with little understanding of scientific theory or even someone who understands scientific theory but has not been trained in biology, chemistry and biochemistry. I have been trained in all these fields (Senior year of a bachelors in all 3) and I will refute all of his claims that I can recall. If I miss one that you think is particularly good, quote me back and I'll reply.AMMO Kid said:*Sigh* Well, if I literally have to DRAG this to you than so be it.Olrod said:Now I know you're just trolling.
Claiming that there's evidence for creationism isn't doing anything to prove you're not lying, if you don't even state what the nature of this evidence is.
Geography has nothing to do with evolution. Nobody can be that ignorant.
You're the one making the claim that Creationism is a valid idea. You need to provide the evidence that NOT ONLY is your version of Creationism the correct one, but evidence that ALSO DISPROVES *every other* Creation story AND evolution.
Until you do that, you're just a troll and a liar.
Here is a 20 minute video about what I believe as a Creationist. Even if you don't believe everything that is said I highly recommend that you watch the whole thing to get a grasp on the ignorance that we Creationist really have, and how we ignore honest facts on purpose just to piss off the evolutionistsThe first five minutes is just warm-up, and the intro guy is a little cheesy, so go ahead and skip that if it's a little bit too much.
http://www.answersingenesis.org/media/video/ondemand/riddle/origin-of-life
You should also check out a 68 minute video by the same guy:
http://www.answersingenesis.org/media/video/ondemand/riddle/origin-of-humans
If you don't watch at least the first one then I really have nothing else to say to you, but you mine as well try to gain some insight into the extremely narrow/simple mind of Christians while one of us is giving you a preferred source.
1. First he repeats after each point "There is only one conclusion, God Created...". Even if each of his arguments were valid, which they are not, to say that the conclusion is an untestable, unobservable, and fundamentally supernatural cause with no mechanism or explanatory power is unscientific. Here is one such argument that is exactly equivalent to "God Created" in terms of explanatory power and all the evidence he listed (assuming it were true). Life just existed. If that insults you than an equivalent statement would be the life seeding argument (comet/aliens/extraterrestial object) carried life to earth. Each are equivalent statements, and none of them are scientific. There is of course the more reasonable assumption, that we haven't figured it out yet. Which is actually true.
2. He is discussing Chemical Evolution, more commonly referred to Abiogenisis to prevent confusion with Biological Evolution, which is often call Evolution. While Chemical Evolution is evolution it is drastically different than the well accepted scientific theory of Biological evolution. Biological evolution (the one often sited as suggesting man evolved from apes) describes the origin of Species, not the origin of life. It makes the assumption that life already exists and is stable in some form. Chemical evolution is a hypothesis with some supporting evidence. That is about the equivalent of many hypothesis, and statistically speaking some of those equivalent hypothesis will turn out to be incorrect.
3. There is no scientific consensus on the origin of life to date. The only part of his argument that is agreed upon (although since none are definitive I will not say well accepted)is that life most likely started by probability and chance but models of how this happened vary drastically. He states "Amino acids are the building blocks of life". This is grossly misleading. Amino acids are the building blocks of protein, and life as it exists today. Early models of Chemical evolution used them as the "building block of life" but that is not inherently so. The currently most well accepted Chemical evolution hypothesis assumes an RNA world. A unique type of molecule (still around today in all living organisms and performing similar function)that can perform both the function of DNA and Protein (store information and catalyze reactions. Also proteins are unable to self replicate where RNA is. It is also fairly stable to hydrolysis, as are most proteins (what the amino acids would have had to form before doing anything "life like").
4. Oxygen Rich world is a gross exaggeration for 3.5 million years ago which it would have had to be for his "Oxygen destroys all life instantly" argument to hold solid ground. This is exiting my field of knowledge a bit, but I do know quoting nearly 30 year old textbook is a bad practice. New information and discoveries occur all the time and I can only assume more convincing evidence has been found that states contrary evidence to the one he cites. Even if this is not the case, he cherry picks an argument that says "100-1 billion times more oxygen in the atmosphere". Well if the assumption was 0 then clearly that means nothing. Of course he meant "Very small amount" however still taking the high end of the scale stating 1 billion times more doesn't really mean much either, as it was likely still a "very small amount". 1 Billion looks like a lot to most people, but in terms of molecules (O2 in this case) it is likely only just significant difference for a time frame so far back. This is also evidence by their scale from 100-1 billion.
5. Ozone is not the same as oxygen in terms of what we talk about. Both ozone and the oxygen molecule are allotropes of the oxygen element. Allotropes of an element can behave as differently as chiral molecules (left/right amino acids). To lump them together is blatantly wrong.
6. The idea that right hand amino acids are a "poison to life" is another gross exaggeration of a fact. It would not matter left or right which we have so long as we have one kind. Also this is explained in basic biochemistry courses. The fact that we do not "decay" into two kinds while living is attribute to metabolic pathways, specifically synthesis of amino acids and protein degradation. As previously mentioned the currently most accepted chemical evolution process invokes RNA and not amino acids so this point (and all amino acid points) are moot regardless.
7. The Miller experiment. Every textbook I've had that teaches the Miller experiment (that wasn't an extremely basic course) has stated its faults including and more so than what he has. That includes every one I've had since attending college, which was a Biochemistry course, cell biology, and evolution. Thus I'm inclined to disagree with him about our science classes "not teaching science". The miller experiment wasn't a failure, but it was not a "nail in the coffin experiment" by any means. It showed what he aimed for it to show. He wanted to show that it was possible for organic molecules to spontaneously develop from inorganic molecules in an old earth setting. He did. Experiments by themselves are very rarely definitive.
8. Again the idea that "God is clearly the answer from scientific evidence" is blatantly wrong. Nothing he says (even if it were true) points to god creating life. It would only point to that our current concepts of how life originated was wrong. The two are not the same. See God of the gaps. Science is based upon positive argument (reasons based on things found) not negative evidence (reasons base on things not found).
If you have any questions or rebuttals I would be happy to take it into consideration.