The Most Dangerous Woman in Videogames - Anita Sarkeesian

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Full Metal Bolshevik said:
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tangoprime said:
Wow, 17 minutes and no comments yet? I wholly believed this place would be World War 5 by now, congratulations. As much as I believe her kickstarter was an unnecessary and dishonest cash grab, the notoriety it earned her is now letting her reach people academically, so that's a good thing.
Yeah, we may disagree on methods and points but I have a feeling that a lot of people do notice that our perception of women in games is not good to say the least. I honestly don't know why there was so much rage at the initial kickstarter when people make jokes and comments about these issues all the time.
Precesly, I personally don't sympathise with her, but she's bringing more good than harm to the industry, if simply by making consumers and developers think about the issue.
This is true, but she falls in to the big trap known as prophet's pothole. She is driving an idea, she is bringing out that idea to light and to people. But she fails to look at the source of the idea closer, the social structures and history behind it and fails also to understand and see other people's views. She time to time even goes as far as to ignore the comments of opposition or just people points out objective flaws.

Why are chick flicks in which hero saves the damsel so popular and books like that are templates for legal money printing. Because people (women/young women) like them. I had a really close female friend who with I sadly broke up the friendship due to a bad decision by her, me trying to help her, she insulting me for trying to help her. Her biggest and grandest fantasy and dream was to be rescued by a caring from trying to commit suicide by drowning.
And my latest social link who takes me around as her social ornament (literally - I go with it, I don't care, I am a gentleman) Likes to have a big and tall man around her. And she plays the Cello and I love that in her.
(She also plays video games and is really in to W-RPGs with burly men as their protagonist)

Anita almost refuses to accept that women like these EXIST and that it is all men's fault. Most of art directors tend to be women nowdays anyway, at least in my studio where I worked all lead somethings were women! And they came up just as big titty concepts as any male would have.
 

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@Tenmar.
Oh that guy. I made it half way through his video last time.

However, I will agree with you in principle that it is important to play the game or at least have watched enough of other people playing it that you have a solid understanding of the game. (For instance, I have never played C&C 4 for myself, but I watched over the should of my brother who was in Beta enough that I could write exactly what is wrong about the game and why I had zero interest in buying it.) My defence of using let's play video clips is premised on having some sort of working knowledge of the game. And as far as story is concerned, I would actually include just sitting down and watching a Let's Play. I feel like I have a pretty good idea of the story of Legend of Link simply after watching Day9 play through it. I couldn't talk about the game controls and handling so much. But I could discuss major story concepts.

As to the clip between 9:10 and 11:47. I have a slightly hard time commentating on that as I lack context myself. I don't remember the original sequence of Sarkeesian's video and I don't know what clips preceded the Deadlight clips because although Repzion says there are other prisoners, he actually didn't show that part. So it's hard to make an accurate comment on it. But I would say based on what he has shown (which should be sufficient given that he was trying to provide the full context), then while he has a point, Sarkeesian's use of the clip is still fair game.

Based on the context Repzion provided, it was a 2 second clip as part of a montage. Already, his argument is an overly strenuous argument where she was quite clearly glancing over several games, but not giving them a full treatment. Were she to focus on Deadlight, I suspect we might hear a more nuanced view, but Repzion is asking for a detailed explanation for every montage and that won't work short of making a 5 hours vod. I think that is an unreasonable explanation and no I don't think that montages should therefore be dropped. There is a specific purpose to the montages, but they should not be interpreted outside of its purpose- we can always just have more videos.

But based on the full context of the clip that Repzion showed, then yes I agree it is more nuanced, but Sarkeesian's use of the clip was still actually fair use and legitimate. Remember Repzion wanted to show context. The context he showed was that the game focused on the stripping of a woman. There might have been other people, but Repzion didn't show it and the extended scene certainly didn't focus on them. So, yes there were more. But the focus was a woman. Now I assume the woman was a major character which would be the reason the 'camera' follows her. But that still plays directly into her hand that these tropes are all over the place- the one point of the montage.

Was it wrong of Deadlight to do so? No. And in many cases individual games have internal logic and justification for what they have and ought not to be changed. But it is a piece of a much larger puzzle and I think Sarkeesian's argument isn't that any one game is at fault so much how endemic it is in virtually every game. Not the individual game's treatement, but its prevalence. The inclusion of the clip from Deadlight isn't to show that Deadlight is this horrible, horrible game and that it needs to be changed. Rather what she is talking about is everywhere. Some to greater degree and others to lesser. From what I see Deadlight is on the lesser end, but it is still a piece (a very small piece) of the puzzle.
 

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Honestly, I don't really care about her. She is just an internet celebrity who is getting her fifteen minutes of fame at the moment. Give it a year or two and she will be nothing but a footnote without changing much in the industry, except maybe creating a bad example on how to milk feminism for profit.

And if we are at that, I consider the whole "sexism" argument in media exactly the same as the "racism" argument. Namely:

-There is a scene with a human beating up another human in a game/movie/comic/etc.. If...
--Man beats up man: Women are not represented in the scene! SEXIST!
--Man beats up woman: It is advocating violence against women! SEXIST!
--Woman beats up man: It shows women to be threatening and dangerous! SEXIST!
--Woman beats up woman: It objectifies women to be cat-fighting eye-candy for the male audience! SEXIST!

The sexism game is exactly the same as the racism game. The only way you can win if you are not playing at all. The moment you bring up "the damsel in distress" or "the male audience" or whatever, you have already lost, because it means that you are already operating on sexist stereotypes instead of working with the actual scenarios and data.
 

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I think 'The Most Divisive Woman in Videogames' probably would have been a better title.

Quite frankly I don't like being told what, and what not, to find offensive because I am a woman. That's not just an issue I have exclusively with her, it's an issue I have with a lot of feminist video game coverage.

Plus I think the controversy surrounding her and her methods has made people that perhaps didn't think about feminist issues beforehand a lot more combative towards and closed to the subject.
 

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Even if this conspiracy mentality is true, the blame doesn't fall on Sarkeesian. Unless you mean to say those commenters simply couldn't help themselves. Like moths to a light, they were unswervingly drawn to their deaths. What a trick she pulled, allowing comments and then disallowing them. If there is nothing to exploit, then opening and closing comments should have had zero effect beyond either no comments (thus showing passive disinterest) or reasonable debate. If you buy the "It was a trap" argument (which I don't), then there needed to be something to catch in the first place and in this case, it wasn't particularly hard. That points back to us than it does to her that we were so easily 'trapped' and bamboozeld.

The reason for the blocks in the first place was the original vitriol. Opening it briefly was like opening the dam to release the floodwaters before closing it back up again. If there were no flood waters, the opening of the dam would have been greeted by the sound of crickets. That was clearly not the case, but the fault does not like with the dam, but with what was behind it.

It's not like she was resorting to sock puppets to manufacture a controversy. I think it is the height of unreasonable creativity to manufacture an explanation that she master-minded and engineered a controversy.
One of the point of the entire post was not to say gamers couldn't help themselves and were trapped but rather that the vitriol she recieved was unfairly declared a backlash by 'gamers' despite the fact she has no evidence to declare her detractors as such.

She actively moderated comments previously to avoid abusive commentors ending up in her comments. Her previous videos had nothing to do with gaming, rather other elements of pop-culture. However she allowed completely unmoderated response to her Kickstarter video (a video specifically related to gaming) and her works were repeatedly spammed on 4chan as well as other particularly 'anti-feminist' sites. Now there is no evidence to say Sarkeesian herself spammed these sites, however she clearly noted that these sites played a large role in the backlash through her several screencaps of the site as part of her 'worst of' compilation of harrassment. When this is considered, it seems completely unfair to consider her backlash the result of angry 'gamers' as not only does she have to no evidence to suggest it was led by any gaming community, but she also possesses evidence that clearly shows that 'gamers' were not chiefly responsible and rather the backlash was (in the majority) led by a community infamous for trolling and raiding.

No gamer (that i have seen) has declared the backlash justified and nearly every one has condemned it, yet it is supposedly the 'gamer community'that led this backlash. If she didn't provoke the raids against her, she has at least framed them in the most disproportionate and skewed light as to present the gamer community in an incredibly bad light.
Not only that, the comments were from anon sources. Aka Youtube comments(OH BIG SURPRISE SOMEONE PUT SOMETHING MEAN ON YOUTUBE) or stuff that was probably from 4ch or other sites just to fuck with her.

To take any of the comments she got seriously would be stupidity. I get "death threats" on forums all the time without actually warranting even a normal threat. Who cares, its the internet.

Anita just cries to get attention. No one actually did anything.
So it might be that it wasn't 'the gaming community' that lashed out... although what is that exactly. Given the number of males (and now females) that game, it's not so much the 'gamer community' so much as internet users who are also gamers. It's not like the gaming community is a cohesive entity anyways- I'm a gamer and a moderator on a Starcraft website and I certainly am not flaming her.

But to say "No one actually did anything" is patently not true. Some people did do something even if they weren't the 'gaming community.' It probably speaks more of internet users in general when they have anonymity. But it isn't 'nothing' and she didn't force them to type that stuff.

@MaximumTheHormone
If she did spam 4chan, that is underhanded promotion. But unless it can be proved that was her and not an overzealous fan (or a true troll who wanted to get 4chan on board with this... is it that far fetched to think it was just another 4chan user trolling other 4chan members with a fake account knowing the uprise it would cause?) But unless it can be linked to her, then it is just useless ad hominem with no evidence and not worth bringing up again and again. Also, do the members of 4chan not game? Because if they do, they are also gamers. They might be pariah gamers. Scum of the internet gamers, but gamers nonetheless... unless they don't game.

But I still don't see it as manipulative if she at first had open comments (yes her first videos where pop culture. I remember when the comments were just normal, banal youtube comments), then had moderated comments due to vitriol, closed comments when it became too much, then thought to hell with it, I'll open it up once to collect up all the BS I've been receiving and close it down once she had enough samples.

That's not manipulative, that's not a trick or a trap. That isn't causing hateful comments to appear as she summoned up the worst comments the internet had to offer with her dark powers of feminism. That's simply briefly allowing the floodgates to open to shine a light on the darker results of anonymity on the internet and the sort of backlash one receives from some gamers- even if they are just 4chan gamers.
 

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@Tenmar

I think we are largely on the same page with use of video clips.

I watched the clip Repzion provided starts with a girl and a soldier and it seems to me then, most of the time is devoted to the woman. I'm sure somewhere it showed other people, but the full context he showed, only involves a woman getting stripped by men. To be decontaminated to be sure, but is a forcible stripping by men to a women and that seems to be the central focus (because she is as you say a character strongly connected to the main character.) If the montage was examples of rape, well that is obviously not true. But it is a forcible stripping of a woman by men and so it falls into line as an example (if a lesser example), even if justified by the story of how widespread these story elements are.

Again, I must stress I am at a disadvantage here as I have not played Deadlight and do not remember the original Sarkeesian video in which this was used.

I do understand that a poor treatment of details in one game, would lead you to be suspicious about how she is handling details in another game.
 

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I feel like I would love to comment about Anita Sarkeesian, what I like and dislike about her work and how she's affected gaming culture. But every time I look at a picture of her, the first thing to go through my head is "She's pretty cute" and then I feel like I've just invalidated everything I'd want to say about the topic, ever.
 

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kurupt87 said:
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As long as games don't end up like TV I don't mind, if they do then books are the last bastion.
Last bastion of what, exactly?
Entertainment aimed at specific groups, rather than mass appeal sanitised bullshit that nobody likes.
You mean: games aimed at just one group, aka pandering just to the group you belong to.

Yeah, well, some of us like a little bit more from our entertainment. Or rather, want it to entertain us, too.

Man, some people sure do get tetchy if you suggest for even ONE SECOND that not everything pander only to them. And I'm not talking about "feminists."
 

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yeah_so_no said:
kurupt87 said:
yeah_so_no said:
kurupt87 said:
As long as games don't end up like TV I don't mind, if they do then books are the last bastion.
Last bastion of what, exactly?
Entertainment aimed at specific groups, rather than mass appeal sanitised bullshit that nobody likes.
You mean: games aimed at just one group, aka pandering just to the group you belong to.

Yeah, well, some of us like a little bit more from our entertainment. Or rather, want it to entertain us, too.

Man, some people sure do get tetchy if you suggest for even ONE SECOND that not everything pander only to them. And I'm not talking about "feminists."
As tetchy as some get when you suggest games shouldn't have to pander to anyone :)
 

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Kumagawa Misogi said:
It's like when Bob complains that the films that women and ethnic minority's like and make profitable are to him terrible and then says that the mainstream white male films should change to appeal more to others.
I'm sorry, what? I'm sure some women and "ethnic minorities" like the films he likes and dislike the ones he dislikes. You wanna add some fact with that broad sweeping generalization? I can remember one in particular, Elysium. The entire message was the inequality between races and the like and he loved it.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/escape-to-the-movies/7899-Elysium

OT- I believe the message Anita is conveying has merit, but I just can't take her seriously. She provides opinions backed by out of context stills or outdated marketing campaigns most of the time, she refuses to have an actual discussion on the topic, and she can't be bothered to cite the sources she does use. I personally think objectification of women in games has gotten better, but there is always room to improve. However, at what point will needing to be politically correct damage our enjoyment of the art?
 

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Story said:
Disclaimer: I have not yet the article, I'll read it after class.

I honestly can't go by the allegations about how she run her Kickstarter because everything is all hearsay. Unless I see real evidence about the things she was accused of, I'm not going to believe it.
Therefore, I just judge her on the content of her videos, which I think are actually rather good for a Feminist 101 type of thing. I mean pretty all of the things she mentioned were literally discussed in my Feminist 101 class in college only observed in particular media that happens to be the underused and young media that we all call video games. So yeah, I don't see what's so offensive about her work.
This is exactly the thing that made me a bit leery of her: the fact that her videos are middle of the road youtube quality, and pretty decent Feminist 101 material, but she leveraged over $150,000 out of a kickstarter to produce it. It just feels like a cash grab on her part, the kickstarter being a way to advertise (and create controversy for that sake) and the money being completely unnecessary to the project. Again... just my opinion, but she just feels dishonest to me and I can't shake it.

Just to reiterate my other opinions though, getting people to talk about the actual issues, especially as mentioned in this article, at the university level, is a good thing. I just wish there was someone who felt more honest behind it.
I literally just looked it up because of your post, and the original goal on the kickstarter was a much more reasonable 6,000.

The reason she ended up exceeding that goal by so much was the media s#%@storm. You know what they say, bad publicity is good publicity.

That said, I haven't actually watched the videos, and only know about her tangentially by other people mentioning her, but from my perspective it doesn't really look like it was a cash grab.
 

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Bara_no_Hime said:
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Excuse me? I believe there are a few of my English teachers who would like a word with you. In fact, as someone with a degree in English, I'd like to have a word with you.
First off, I'm an English Professor.
Yeah? Well I wrote the dictionary!
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Academics do not cherry pick evidence that supports its point. There is something called Peer review in the academic world to prevent people from cherry picking.
Secondly, I never said anything about not being peer reviewed. However, choosing evidence to support your point and poking holes in opposing points is the core of academic writing.

I can (and have) "proven" that Ophelia (in Hamlet) was faking her insanity. There's plenty of evidence in the text to support this.

Others have "proven" that she is insane.

I can (and have) "proven" that Gertrude murdered Ophelia.

Others have "proven" that she loved Ophelia.

That's how academic writing works. Anyone who says otherwise is full of it.
Yes, you can make the argument for almost anything in a literary work -- or in any field for that matter -- but that does not mean that all arguments are of equal strength. Tell me, professor, if you received two essays arguing opposite positions where one was backed up by 2 sentences from the book and 3 pages of conjecture and the other had 15 sentences with 3 pages of analysis of those sentences and context of how they relate to the thesis would you not say that one argument is clearly stronger than the other? Therefore, the stronger argument is more correct in the context of the original work.

The definition of cherry picking (cherry, with two 'r's and one 'e', professor), according to Wikipedia, is:
Cherry picking, suppressing evidence, or the fallacy of incomplete evidence is the act of pointing to individual cases or data that seem to confirm a particular position, while ignoring a significant portion of related cases or data that may contradict that position. It is a kind of fallacy of selective attention, the most common example of which is the confirmation bias.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_picking_%28fallacy%29
Cherry picking isn't an interpretation of a text in context, it is ignoring the majority of a text to prove a specific point that may even be contradictory to the original work. Cherry picking is inherently a dishonest act as the term derives from only picking certain cherries to give an impression of a whole tree that may not be at all accurate. This is entirely different from having a well supported argument about a work. How can you, a woman of academics, say that this is acceptable? A cherry picked argument would, by definition, be weaker and thus less correct than one supported by many points used in context; therefore, if whats-her-name does indeed cherry pick her supporting points, her arguments would be weak and not representative of the actuality of women's presentation in gaming. They would also be disingenuous and reflect very poorly on her as it would mean that she is trying to deceive the feminist/gaming public or put in as little work as possible. I can't say whether or not she actually does this though, not having ever seen or read any of her work and not intending to.
 

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Tenmar said:
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This is a reality, and many of our cherished memories (like Princess Peach) are very very flawed, they always were, we just keep trying to convince ourselves they aren't to avoid admitting to ourselves that we've liked morally questionable content for so long.
I have never cherished peach at all, she could be replaced by a blind pet chipmunk and i would still happily play those games. In fact, she could be replaced with mario and we could play as peach!! They have equal character in my opinion, which is jack sh*t, and it would be good to see bowser have a change of obsession.
Anyway, doesn't Nintendo counter this with super smash bros? Oh wait...she has a saucepan, turnip and umbrella for weaponry. *Quietly trails off*...
In Smash Bros Peach's weapons are actually full on video game references from when you could play as Peach in other Nintendo games.

1. Saucepan- Super Mario RPG Legend of the Seven Stars. Developed by Square Enix and one of the most powerful weapons in the game.

2. Turnip- Super Mario Bros 2(USA)- You utilized many vegetables or enemies as projectiles to destroy your foes instead of the more traditional power ups known today as redesigned from Doki-Doki Panic.

3. Umbrella- Once again another weapon from Super Mario RPG.

4. Golf Club- From the Mario Golf series

5. Tennis Racket- From the Mario Tennis series.

You aren't making a point by making a snide comment. Especially when all of the content in Smash Bros is a reference to previous game titles. So it's not sexist once you understand the context.
Ok, firstly, it wasn't a serious comment. maybe i shouldve put a smiley or something to imply that, but i'm british and my humour is dry at best so smileys are a rarity for me unless im surrounded by the paranoia that everyone is going to take me far too seriously.
Secondly, i certainly don't have that extended back catalogue of gaming knowledge that most on here seem to have. I just grew up a little on mario and other games without devoting all my attention to every detail on every game. It may surprise you that i have other endeavors in life, therefor cannot possibly hope to gain such knowledge until someone decides that what I've said is meticulously and maliciously engineered bullshit so they can educate me on said facts and that i am nothing more than a snide. Not that i'm taking this personally, its just early for me :eek:
 

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I will just leave this here:


And since you bring Jennifer Hepler, i will also leave this one that your journos missed:

You should be more careful about talking on topics you barely have a grasp off, let alone use the word "Academic Presentation" without knowing what it means.
 

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Hexenwolf said:
That said, I haven't actually watched the videos, and only know about her tangentially by other people mentioning her, but from my perspective it doesn't really look like it was a cash grab.
You sure about that? because it looks like the bait was PLANTED there for a quick cash grab.

http://archive.foolz.us/v/thread/139813364

Hitting the wasp nest and complaing about being stung even if everyone knows that you dont FUCK with the wasp. Even if those wasps are 4Chan, and they have been zigzagging between doing useful shit (like fucking up with Scientology and doing vigilante justice to find pedos and rapists) to being the retarded usual self we all know, one doesn't simply go to 4Chan and trollbaits his way into victory.

In fact, they have been vocal about this manipulation, and have supported this petition against her:
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/415/777/451/acknowledge-and-present-legitimate-criticism-of-anita-sarkeesian/

You guys should stop rambling and start doing some serious shit, because that petition is getting bigger.
 

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I can't say whether or not she actually does this though, not having ever seen or read any of her work and not intending to.
Then how can you comment about it without knowing? you are getting behind the times old man!

Fortunately for you, TvTropes (the very page that she uses) has detailed information on her fuck ups and double standards:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/YMMV/FeministFrequency
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WebVideo/FeministFrequency?from=Main.FeministFrequency

Several notable quotes worth mentioning:

"The idea behind her argument that Mattie Ross is not a feminist character (because she promotes more socially-accepted "masculine values" of revenge and violence as opposed to "feminine values" of cooperation and peace) is actually a much more contentious one in feminist circles than Sarkeesian makes it seem. While certainly, the idea that promoting "feminine values" is an essential feminist goal has its supporters (most notably, Harvard sociologist Carol Gilligan in her book In A Different Voice), there are other feminists who disagree, with one of the big reasons being this trope. For starters, many would consider Sarkeesian to be denying Mattie's agency by assuming that she a) only has these values to get along in a "man's world" and b) has never questioned them (questioning =/= abandoning). Additionally, many feminists would also say there is a downside to the more "feminine," cooperative values - such as meekness and submission - which result in women who adopt them having less power and influence, which ultimately hurts women more than it helps them. So perhaps it's better for both genders that we simply uncouple values from gender roles entirely."

" Cowboy Be Bop At His Computer: Anita has made a few research mistakes. Among them:
Lumping Y: The Last Man and the Daughters of Amazon therein as an example of "crazy man-hating Straw Feminists without any realistic feminists showing up" when not only do calmer, more grounded feminists appear, but Brian K. Vaughan explicitly created the characters as examples of one type of feminist school of thought and other characters as opposing ones.
She also lists Clementine from Eternal Sunshineofthe Spotless Mind as a straight example of a Manic Pixie Dream Girl, even though she is a character who was an outright subversion of this trope who actually says to her romantic foil: "I'm not a concept. Too many guys think I'm a concept or I complete them or I'm going to make them alive, but I'm just a fucked up girl who is looking for my own peace of mind. Don't assign me yours."
She has been accused of doing this in her Bayonetta review (which has been edited, see here.), where she made several inaccuracies regarding both the plot and the characters. When criticized for it, she said that it was a misunderstood joke, leading her to edit it to remove the inaccurate statements.
In her description of Starfox Adventures, Dinosaur Planet, she states that the game was meant to be "her [Krystal's] own game", and that Fox McCloud replaced Krystal, when in fact he replaced a different character, Sabre. The closest to a mention she makes of Sabre is when she says that Krystal was meant to be "one of two playable characters".
She will occasionally use games with a gender-neutral protagonist as male-centered, such as claiming Borderlands 2 features male-on-female violence, when the player can play as two female classes, or Fable II has a girl die for the sake of a supposedly male protagonist.
Her criticism of Kanye West's music video of "Monster" states that that the video is trying to fetishize the "dead women are sexy" trope, which isn't how a fetish works. She also Completely Missed The Point of the song, video, and the album as a whole, which was meant to be a critique about the depravities and vapidness of Western Society in general, hence the use of dead women. In the same video, she then criticizes Amanda Palmer's album "Who Killed Amanda Palmer" as being apart of this same "trend of fetishizing dead women" in media, which is especially baffling as the album title and artwork are meant to be a Shout-Out to Twin Peaks in the first place, and secondly she seemed to have never listened to any songs from the album itself, like "Oasis.".
Dollhouse:
She says "Dollhouse is basically a glorified brothel" as if she's noting something the show never realizes. In fact, the Dollhouse is described repeatedly in the series as an institution of prostitution and human-trafficking. The season one finale "Epitaph One" even uses the word "brothel."
After describing how the second season would move toward the themes of the season one finale, she rants about how horrifying she found the episode "Omega". While "Omega" was the last episode aired in the States, the Dollhouse season finale was "Epitaph One", an episode available for viewing on Hulu and iTunes. "Epitaph One" is a Deadly Distant Finale, and season two would explain how everything reaches that state. The events of "Omega" are irrelevant.
Sarkeesian lambasts Super Princess Peach for how Peach's powers in that game are "her out-of-control female emotions." However, the actual plot of the game is about Bowser causing everyone's emotions to become super-powered and out-of-control and Peach being the only one capable of controlling her emotions."


If you are done with the appetizer, have a look at this:
 

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Am I the only one who thinks this whole gender-thing is getting rather juvenile?

Everytime I see another one of these pop up I just facepalm.

Can't we get over ourselves already?
Best way to disprove the root of the problem (the "few female protagonist because of the "large" numbers of male protagonists") is to simple ask yourself this: What make you think that there are "male" protagonists?

They are male in body, yes, but does it mean anything to the plot? does changing the gender of these people send the whole plot into chaos and needs a massive rewrite? that is what SHOULD happen when good writing is involved, since ALL details matter, and gender shouldn't be an exception: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheLawOfConservationOfDetail

If one can change the sex and not miss anything on the story, then gender was never an issue. All these fictional characters are just a bunch of gender neutral idiots that happen to be male. But if either magic or sex change operations are involved, you could get a plot twist of "I was a woman before" and NOTHING would change.

The gender issue, as you say, is meaningless, because gender is meaningless. It doesn't matter if in another universe the women had more protagonists than men, if their gender isn't important there either then why should anyone care about it? Not even women like Stephany Meyer can write worth a damn about their own gender (Bella Swan, the most hated female in history), so what makes anyone think that men can represent themselves well too?
 

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Fistful of Ebola said:
Machine Man 1992 said:
Alternatively, name one game that would be in line with Anita's tastes and I'll tell you why it'll suck.
Thomas Was Alone
Thomas is a fucking rectangle. That is all. Try to switch the gender of Thomas and lets see if that makes a meaningful change to the narrative.
 

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Rebel_Raven said:
They may not be violating women's rights, or trying to (aside, maybe the right for women to exist in sensible clothes in their games, or the right to not look like trophy wives. <.<)
If I try really hard do you think it's possible to link telling female characters what they can and can't wear to slut shaming?