Well, maybe you should stop making claims without evidence, and I'll stop calling you out on it, deal?We've done this back forth dance already, it's old
Well, maybe you should stop making claims without evidence, and I'll stop calling you out on it, deal?We've done this back forth dance already, it's old
Whatever. Already moved on to other things.Well, maybe you should stop making claims without evidence, and I'll stop calling you out on it, deal?
Not to derail the topic further, but if you didn't watch her videos, how do you know about her huge leaps of logic?I never liked Sarkeesian (the death and rape threats aimed at here were highly disgusting and unnecessary.), but whatever points she did have would be under minded byinsulting others or shooting her arguments in the foot. She's also a schemer that admits she does not like playing video games at one major point. Why Sarkeesian stuck around for that long is beyond me. Real answer is money, but she there were plenty of times her arguements went in to huge leaps in logic or she did not back her evidence. It's why I never tuned in to her videos. Hell, around 2016-2017, even most of her follows dropped like a hot potato. Most young people don't even know she exist at this point.
Weird, you keep saying that but it's not in the article you posted
So what you think her moral restrictions would vary from company to company lol?“I would love for companies to have moral restrictions, but they don’t.” She then dove into a multitude of examples of games or movies wherein female characters are used only as devices to show how depraved a male character is, citing specifically Assassin’s Creed: Brotherhood and the Grand Theft Auto series.
I've seen three of her videos before deciding never touch her dumb shit again. The damsels vid, the Powerpuff Girls vid, and Bayonetta. It's been a while, but if they are still on YouTube, check them out. If not, they have hopefully been archived, but I am not going out of my way for her. You are on you own for that one.Not to derail the topic further, but if you didn't watch her videos, how do you know about her huge leaps of logic?
No, but I don't like the spread of misinformation and villanizing shows or games that are not as bad as they look. Or big mishandlings of the subject. I also do not support someone plagiarizing other peoples gameplay videos and deny giving them the proper credit. Especially when Sarkeesian acts like she did nothing wrong in the plagiarizing.Don't get me wrong, I didn't exactly like them myself, but they were hardly a great evil.
It's a packaged deal. How are you supposed to make X-Men with the message that "bigotry is bad" while not creating it to push said message?It's like we're playing telephone. I say one thing, and then you reword what I said in a way that changes the meaning.
I didn't say "art that pushes a message". I said "art to push a message". There's an important subtle difference there.
I also never said anything about "revolving around a message".
Look, if you want to discuss this with me, you're first going to have to prove to me that you understand what I'm saying, because this whole exchange has just been me correcting your misunderstandings over and over again.
I dunno, y'all bitched mightily about Square Enix's Ethics Department giving Tifa a sports bra.So what you think her moral restrictions would vary from company to company lol?
Well...it seems to me like the distinction between art with a message and art to push a message is a subjective one, no?If you're making art for art's sake, that's art.
If you're making art to push a message, that's propaganda.
Because that's still one step along a road and people are very intent to say they wanting it going no further.I dunno, y'all bitched mightily about Square Enix's Ethics Department giving Tifa a sports bra.
If that's the extent of it, I really can't get that worked up
I remember that. Just when you think certain people could not get any dumber. Sports bra exist in real life FFVII fan boys. I like Tifa in either version and she still kicks plenty of ass. From what I've seen in VII_Reamke and Chip's walkthrough of the game, Tifa almost plays similar to a Platinum games character with her brawler/bare fisted monk style.I dunno, y'all bitched mightily about Square Enix's Ethics Department giving Tifa a sports bra.
Just to point this out.I remember that. Just when you think certain people could not get any dumber. Sports bra exist in real life FFVII fan boys. I like Tifa in either version and she still kicks plenty of ass. From what I've seen in VII_Reamke and Chip's walkthrough of the game, Tifa almost plays similar to a Platinum games character with her brawler/bare fisted monk style.
While a semi-weird justification, it did not bother me in the slightest. Tifa still had fan-service on her, just slightly subtle. She still rocks the tomboy yet with positive feminine traits look.Really the ethics department felt she needed a sports bra in a world where Cloud's sword is bigger than he is and people throw magic spells at one another?
You set your priorities on making a good comic first, when the message comes second.How are you supposed to make X-Men with the message that "bigotry is bad" while not creating it to push said message?
It's objective, in that there is an objective answer to "what was the artist's intentions when making this?"Well...it seems to me like the distinction between art with a message and art to push a message is a subjective one, no?
I always saw Yuffie as more of a tomboy than Tifa.. She still rocks the tomboy yet with positive feminine traits look.
yeh, I can see why people objected though, hell I posted a video of Genna Bain objecting to the changes above during the reveal thing.While a semi-weird justification, it did not bother me in the slightest. Tifa still had fan-service on her, just slightly subtle. She still rocks the tomboy yet with positive feminine traits look.
Exactly. Tifa is a partial tomboy, while Yuffie is 100% tomboy. I just like Tifa more because she has that right balance. Nothing against Yuffie, but she is your typical ninja brat, but with some depth. Still a better ninja and character than the majority of the cast from Naruto.I always saw Yuffie as more of a tomboy than Tifa.
Honestly, people were way beyond over reacting. She still the same Tifa as before. Just some slight additional wardrobe. She even kept her larger chest, but more realistic proportion by comparison. Nobody died or was mutilated. No ones family or mother was insulted. Nothing worth losing sleep over, as people bought the game and nothing was lost. Those same fans and people are going to forget and look for a new boogieman or outrage to worked up over nothing.yeh, I can see why people objected though, hell I posted a video of Genna Bain objecting to the changes above during the reveal thing.
yeh but people were really worried more changes would be incoming or pushed in. That this was the first sign of a problem about to start.Exactly. Tifa is a partial tomboy, while Yuffie is 100% tomboy. I just like Tifa more because she has that right balance. Nothing against Yuffie, but she is your typical ninja brat, but with some depth. Still a better ninja and character than the majority of the cast from Naruto.
Honestly, people were way beyond over reacting. She still the same Tifa as before. Just some slight additional wardrobe. She even kept her larger chest, but more realistic proportion by comparison. Nobody died or was mutilated. No ones family or mother was insulted. Nothing worth losing sleep over, as people bought the game and nothing was lost. Those same fans and people are going to forget and look for a new boogieman or outrage to worked up over nothing.
And yet, way back in 2005, 15 years ago:yeh but people were really worried more changes would be incoming or pushed in. That this was the first sign of a problem about to start.
And they worried over nothing. I get where they were coming from, but if Max_Dood (BIG FFVII fan) and his friends were not worried in the slightest, the game was going to turn out fine. I know Sony (their arrogance coming back again) got more censor happy with certain Japanse games and comes off as hypocritical and arbitrary, but that was in-house decision from SE. Sony had no say in their decision. If anything, more fan-service was added in Remake, but just subtle. Vanilla VII had it, but it was mostly in the background with minor appearances at best. And guess what, those fans get to live another day and play an awesome game packed with tons of details upon tiny details. Tifa's sports bra was the least of my issues and not even on my radar of concerns, My main concern was remaking the a game and splitting it in two parts. A situation I still do not agree with. That is something they should have been more worried about.yeh but people were really worried more changes would be incoming or pushed in. That this was the first sign of a problem about to start.
Yes but better over nothing than fail to react to something.And they worried over nothing. I get where they were coming from, but if Max_Dood (BIG FFVII fan) and his friends were not worried in the slightest, the game was going to turn out fine. I know Sony (their arrogance coming back again) got more censor happy with certain Japanse games and comes off as hypocritical and arbitrary, but that was in-house decision from SE. Sony had no say in their decision. If anything, more fan-service was added in Remake, but just subtle. Vanilla VII had it, but it was mostly in the background with minor appearances at best. And guess what, those fans get to live another day and play an awesome game packed with tons of details upon tiny details. Tifa's sports bra was the least of my issues and not even on my radar of concerns, My main concern was remaking the a game and splitting it in two parts. A situation I still do not agree with. That is something they should have been more worried about.
Funny none of those assholes complained about Advent Children Tifa back then. God that movie was confusing, dragged on, and way too over hyped. I saw it twice, never touched it again, and sold it to my local comic shop.And yet, way back in 2005, 15 years ago:
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The Leather Suit (レザーコンシャス, Rezā Konshasu?, lit. Leather Conscious) is a recurring outfit in the Final Fantasy series. It first appears in Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children and is worn by Tifa Lockhart. The Leather Suit is composed of mostly black leather, a white tank-top under a black vest...finalfantasy.fandom.com