The Spoony One has been ejected from That Guy With the Glasses.

[gookygox]

Also, How many times is Lordkat going to be allowed to piss on TGWTG without removing his links on the site? He fully admitted on the Lupa stream that he was breaking his agreement by stating why he left so why bother promoting him?

That's up to Michaud. He was going to listen to the recording. I know that LK doesn't make any money off of the videos anymore and that there are no plans to continue having his videos on the new site design.

 

[EvilRoy]

You didn't think twice about the farewell letter that your own company sent out? And I'm a little shocked at the idea that any company would base a line in any kind of announcement on the internet off of something that the other person said in a closed door meeting.

...
It's another no-win. We have a policy of closed door meetings so you're not going to hear EXACTLY what was said. I stated multiple times on Twitter that Noah chose a different path from our own and that our entire meeting was very calm and polite. We had no reason to assume that anyone WOULD interpret that any differently that what is directly stated, hence not reading into it.

As for the WWE thing, as far as I know, none of the exec at CA watch it. It's a pretty standard line across the board. I've known people to write it in going away cards when someone takes a new job.

That's the danger of using such a standard phrase in a public announcement though. Each different industry lines those words with unique subtext, so when you tell a whole bunch of people from different industries about this and use those words we all take it differently.

Where I work those words tend to mean 'Parted amiably, but do not expect to work in this industry/area again'. So you could understand how I would interpret this as basically saying he was fired, took it like a man, but you intend to blackball him. Whereas someone who works in another area would see it completely differently.

 

[KRAKENDIE]

I won't say it was an intentional aggressive threat. But for the receiver, it was threatening.

But saying it wasn't a proposition, even a tongue-in-cheek one, denies the nature of a proposition. A proposition doesn't require intent on fulfillment or even seriousness.

I wouldn't say it was threatening to the receiver as JO didn't seem to have much of a problem with it when he said it in the first place.

Could his joke be interpreted as a proposition? I think it would be stretching it but I guess it could be.

Captcha: in the air

I guess it is.

Well I know it was received as creepy and there was some discomfort, maybe not 'fear', so to speak.

That is incredibly fitting.

I mean... isn't that based upon how close JO and Spony are?

Hell me and my buddies joke sometimes about killing one of us and helping the others bury the body. Frank discussions spoken so straight that if we were being listened to by the FBI, we'd probably have some problems... but were all close enough friends to know that we're just joking.

Not necessarily. I mean, the likelihood isn't the only factor in fear. Of course it's unlikely The Spoony One would go to JO upon hearing her relationship didn't work out and kidnap her. But having to say "Eh, I don't think he'd actually rape me" to yourself is unsettling at least and telling of some deep issues with The Spoony One at most.

Psychoanalysis of rapists has recently shown rapists overwhelmingly believe all men are rapists, but that most are incredibly hush-hush about it. Rape in media and rape jokes were among the things they admitted inform their opinion that rape isn't as big a deal as people pretend to be. Of course this isn't to say The Spoony One might be a rapist, but to illustrate that jokes known to be jokes are not entirely harmless.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

(ah forget it.)

 

[JimB]

I'm a little shocked at the idea that any company would base a line in any kind of announcement on the internet off of something that the other person said in a closed door meeting.

Oh my god.

If there is information to be disseminated, and if that information can be disseminated using the subject's own words without violating anyone's confidence, then why on Earth oughtn't they to go straight to the horse's mouth? It's not like anyone on the planet ever would have known they were his words if people hadn't kept hammering and hammering and hammering.

 

[yawgmothx]

You didn't think twice about the farewell letter that your own company sent out? And I'm a little shocked at the idea that any company would base a line in any kind of announcement on the internet off of something that the other person said in a closed door meeting.

...
It's another no-win. We have a policy of closed door meetings so you're not going to hear EXACTLY what was said. I stated multiple times on Twitter that Noah chose a different path from our own and that our entire meeting was very calm and polite. We had no reason to assume that anyone WOULD interpret that any differently that what is directly stated, hence not reading into it.

As for the WWE thing, as far as I know, none of the exec at CA watch it. It's a pretty standard line across the board. I've known people to write it in going away cards when someone takes a new job.

You misunderstand my meaning, ma'am. Closed door meetings are internal company affairs that should say only between those who should know inside the company. Stating that different paths were chosen on twitter is all well and good and I'm very glad things went politely.

That being said, you had every reason to assume people would interpret the meaning of your words in a hundred different ways. You have a very public flame war on your hands in a galvanizing market involving popular and vocal producers for the site. People were watching this unfold on twitter and through live streams from the very first seconds that it was starting.

So you're telling me that in the midst of this hellstorm, the site's pr issued an official statement that no one checked so they could make sure it wouldn't make things worse? Especially when the popular opinion on why the incident even took place is because someone didn't pay attention to what they posted on the internet?

 

[DudeistBelieve]

I won't say it was an intentional aggressive threat. But for the receiver, it was threatening.

But saying it wasn't a proposition, even a tongue-in-cheek one, denies the nature of a proposition. A proposition doesn't require intent on fulfillment or even seriousness.

I wouldn't say it was threatening to the receiver as JO didn't seem to have much of a problem with it when he said it in the first place.

Could his joke be interpreted as a proposition? I think it would be stretching it but I guess it could be.

Captcha: in the air

I guess it is.

Well I know it was received as creepy and there was some discomfort, maybe not 'fear', so to speak.

That is incredibly fitting.

I mean... isn't that based upon how close JO and Spony are?

Hell me and my buddies joke sometimes about killing one of us and helping the others bury the body. Frank discussions spoken so straight that if we were being listened to by the FBI, we'd probably have some problems... but were all close enough friends to know that we're just joking.

Not necessarily. I mean, the likelihood isn't the only factor in fear. Of course it's unlikely The Spoony One would go to JO upon hearing her relationship didn't work out and kidnap her. But having to say "Eh, I don't think he'd actually rape me" to yourself is unsettling at least and telling of some deep issues with The Spoony One at most.

Psychoanalysis of rapists has recently shown rapists overwhelmingly believe all men are rapists, but that most are incredibly hush-hush about it. Rape in media and rape jokes were among the things they admitted inform their opinion that rape isn't as big a deal as people pretend to be. Of course this isn't to say The Spoony One might be a rapist, but to illustrate that jokes known to be jokes are not entirely harmless.

I'm saying, what if JO knows Spoony well enough that she doesn't even have to say that to herself?

Also I didn't know about that pyschoanalysis... something about that doesn't sit right with me though, cause that basically means all rapist are sociopaths? I'd always just assumed they were guys that simply had a lust for power and were acting on it.

 

[yawgmothx]

I'm a little shocked at the idea that any company would base a line in any kind of announcement on the internet off of something that the other person said in a closed door meeting.

Oh my god.

If there is information to be disseminated, and if that information can be disseminated using the subject's own words without violating anyone's confidence, then why on Earth oughtn't they to go straight to the horse's mouth? It's not like anyone on the planet ever would have known they were his words if people hadn't kept hammering and hammering and hammering.

1) Because it's inflammatory and not from the horses mouth. If it were it would be a quote from Spoony in there. It's not. It'd be like me saying Jim B finds nothing wrong with getting their information when it's acquired from equine facial orifices.

2) We shouldn't have known. I didn't karate chop anyone in to telling me there secrets. Why the need was felt to disclose that information is beyond me. Could have said "The wording was chosen by the company and I believe that the company meant no ill will when it was posted". Question answered, no company intrigue released to the masses. This whole issue is over words, the words that someone else took offense to when one party sent them to another. The words meant to clarify and bring closure to the issue should've been chosen better. At least I believe they should have been.

 

[Micromyni]

They'd both need to apologise, and mean it, and Lupa still thinks she did nothing wrong.

Oh, I know. Isn't that how it usually is?

 

[KRAKENDIE]

I won't say it was an intentional aggressive threat. But for the receiver, it was threatening.

But saying it wasn't a proposition, even a tongue-in-cheek one, denies the nature of a proposition. A proposition doesn't require intent on fulfillment or even seriousness.

I wouldn't say it was threatening to the receiver as JO didn't seem to have much of a problem with it when he said it in the first place.

Could his joke be interpreted as a proposition? I think it would be stretching it but I guess it could be.

Captcha: in the air

I guess it is.

Well I know it was received as creepy and there was some discomfort, maybe not 'fear', so to speak.

That is incredibly fitting.

I mean... isn't that based upon how close JO and Spony are?

Hell me and my buddies joke sometimes about killing one of us and helping the others bury the body. Frank discussions spoken so straight that if we were being listened to by the FBI, we'd probably have some problems... but were all close enough friends to know that we're just joking.

Not necessarily. I mean, the likelihood isn't the only factor in fear. Of course it's unlikely The Spoony One would go to JO upon hearing her relationship didn't work out and kidnap her. But having to say "Eh, I don't think he'd actually rape me" to yourself is unsettling at least and telling of some deep issues with The Spoony One at most.

Psychoanalysis of rapists has recently shown rapists overwhelmingly believe all men are rapists, but that most are incredibly hush-hush about it. Rape in media and rape jokes were among the things they admitted inform their opinion that rape isn't as big a deal as people pretend to be. Of course this isn't to say The Spoony One might be a rapist, but to illustrate that jokes known to be jokes are not entirely harmless.

I'm saying, what if JO knows Spoony well enough that she doesn't even have to say that to herself?

Also I didn't know about that pyschoanalysis... something about that doesn't sit right with me though, cause that basically means all rapist are sociopaths? I'd always just assumed they were guys that simply had a lust for power and were acting on it.

From what I've seen, no one knows Spoony well enough to doubt he could be dangerous. In fact, the consensus seems to be that he very could be.

Having a faint power desire or something usually equates to power fantasies and being an asshole. That isn't exactly a "lust" for it. As far as I know, it requires some psychosis or impairment, as well as those reaffirmations in rape culture (like jokes and so-forth) for rape to sit in a rapist's mind and lead to execution.

 

[JimB]

I didn't karate chop anyone in to telling me their secrets.

Neither did I, and we're in a minority, aren't we?

Why they need was felt to disclose that information is beyond me.

I'm guessing the nonstop attacks on Channel Awesome staff were considered more of a liability than silence.

Could have said "The wording was chosen by the company and I believe that the company meant no ill will when it was posted."

They could have; and like everything else they said, it would have been called a lie being told by soulless PR zombies. People aren't going to believe it unless it involves information that is not their business.

 

[Vault101]

From what I've seen, no one knows Spoony well enough to doubt he could be dangerous. In fact, the consensus seems to be that he very could be.

Having a faint power desire or something usually equates to power fantasies and being an asshole. That isn't exactly a "lust" for it. As far as I know, it requires some psychosis or impairment, as well as those reaffirmations in rape culture (like jokes and so-forth) for rape to sit in a rapist's mind and lead to execution.

rape culture? is that actually a thing?

 

[DudeistBelieve]

I won't say it was an intentional aggressive threat. But for the receiver, it was threatening.

But saying it wasn't a proposition, even a tongue-in-cheek one, denies the nature of a proposition. A proposition doesn't require intent on fulfillment or even seriousness.

I wouldn't say it was threatening to the receiver as JO didn't seem to have much of a problem with it when he said it in the first place.

Could his joke be interpreted as a proposition? I think it would be stretching it but I guess it could be.

Captcha: in the air

I guess it is.

Well I know it was received as creepy and there was some discomfort, maybe not 'fear', so to speak.

That is incredibly fitting.

I mean... isn't that based upon how close JO and Spony are?

Hell me and my buddies joke sometimes about killing one of us and helping the others bury the body. Frank discussions spoken so straight that if we were being listened to by the FBI, we'd probably have some problems... but were all close enough friends to know that we're just joking.

Not necessarily. I mean, the likelihood isn't the only factor in fear. Of course it's unlikely The Spoony One would go to JO upon hearing her relationship didn't work out and kidnap her. But having to say "Eh, I don't think he'd actually rape me" to yourself is unsettling at least and telling of some deep issues with The Spoony One at most.

Psychoanalysis of rapists has recently shown rapists overwhelmingly believe all men are rapists, but that most are incredibly hush-hush about it. Rape in media and rape jokes were among the things they admitted inform their opinion that rape isn't as big a deal as people pretend to be. Of course this isn't to say The Spoony One might be a rapist, but to illustrate that jokes known to be jokes are not entirely harmless.

I'm saying, what if JO knows Spoony well enough that she doesn't even have to say that to herself?

Also I didn't know about that pyschoanalysis... something about that doesn't sit right with me though, cause that basically means all rapist are sociopaths? I'd always just assumed they were guys that simply had a lust for power and were acting on it.

From what I've seen, no one knows Spoony well enough to doubt he could be dangerous. In fact, the consensus seems to be that he very could be.

Having a faint power desire or something usually equates to power fantasies and being an asshole. That isn't exactly a "lust" for it. As far as I know, it requires some psychosis or impairment, as well as those reaffirmations in rape culture (like jokes and so-forth) for rape to sit in a rapist's mind and lead to execution.

I don't know, somethings not adding up... maybe your right and it is a sociopath angle or something like that but the idea that they do it because they think that rape is some how condoned by civilized society? That I don't get.

I mean we put these fuckers in jail, making them sign sex offenders list and shit. Maybe I shouldn't be surprised that there are people in this world that just because we disturbed folk can engage in dark humor think it's okay to rape, after all the phelps family exist, but something isn't adding up. To me anyway.

 

[KRAKENDIE]

From what I've seen, no one knows Spoony well enough to doubt he could be dangerous. In fact, the consensus seems to be that he very could be.

Having a faint power desire or something usually equates to power fantasies and being an asshole. That isn't exactly a "lust" for it. As far as I know, it requires some psychosis or impairment, as well as those reaffirmations in rape culture (like jokes and so-forth) for rape to sit in a rapist's mind and lead to execution.

rape culture? is that actually a thing?

There is a "culture" for everything. Rape culture isn't necessarily a movement or cultural force like people assume a "culture" is and promptly write the notion off. Rape culture is so embedded in everything that it is difficult to pull it away from other cultural factors. Slut shaming, rape insults in online gaming, those are parts of rape culture.

 

[Vault101]

There is a "culture" for everything. Rape culture isn't necessarily a movement or cultural force like people assume a "culture" is and promptly write the notion off. Rape culture is so embedded in everything that it is difficult to pull it away from other cultural factors. Slut shaming, rape insults in online gaming, those are parts of rape culture.

ahhh...I see

 

[KRAKENDIE]

I won't say it was an intentional aggressive threat. But for the receiver, it was threatening.

But saying it wasn't a proposition, even a tongue-in-cheek one, denies the nature of a proposition. A proposition doesn't require intent on fulfillment or even seriousness.

I wouldn't say it was threatening to the receiver as JO didn't seem to have much of a problem with it when he said it in the first place.

Could his joke be interpreted as a proposition? I think it would be stretching it but I guess it could be.

Captcha: in the air

I guess it is.

Well I know it was received as creepy and there was some discomfort, maybe not 'fear', so to speak.

That is incredibly fitting.

I mean... isn't that based upon how close JO and Spony are?

Hell me and my buddies joke sometimes about killing one of us and helping the others bury the body. Frank discussions spoken so straight that if we were being listened to by the FBI, we'd probably have some problems... but were all close enough friends to know that we're just joking.

Not necessarily. I mean, the likelihood isn't the only factor in fear. Of course it's unlikely The Spoony One would go to JO upon hearing her relationship didn't work out and kidnap her. But having to say "Eh, I don't think he'd actually rape me" to yourself is unsettling at least and telling of some deep issues with The Spoony One at most.

Psychoanalysis of rapists has recently shown rapists overwhelmingly believe all men are rapists, but that most are incredibly hush-hush about it. Rape in media and rape jokes were among the things they admitted inform their opinion that rape isn't as big a deal as people pretend to be. Of course this isn't to say The Spoony One might be a rapist, but to illustrate that jokes known to be jokes are not entirely harmless.

I'm saying, what if JO knows Spoony well enough that she doesn't even have to say that to herself?

Also I didn't know about that pyschoanalysis... something about that doesn't sit right with me though, cause that basically means all rapist are sociopaths? I'd always just assumed they were guys that simply had a lust for power and were acting on it.

From what I've seen, no one knows Spoony well enough to doubt he could be dangerous. In fact, the consensus seems to be that he very could be.

Having a faint power desire or something usually equates to power fantasies and being an asshole. That isn't exactly a "lust" for it. As far as I know, it requires some psychosis or impairment, as well as those reaffirmations in rape culture (like jokes and so-forth) for rape to sit in a rapist's mind and lead to execution.

I don't know, somethings not adding up... maybe your right and it is a sociopath angle or something like that but the idea that they do it because they think that rape is some how condoned by civilized society? That I don't get.

I mean we put these fuckers in jail, making them sign sex offenders list and shit. Maybe I shouldn't be surprised that there are people in this world that just because we disturbed folk can engage in dark humor think it's okay to rape, after all the phelps family exist, but something isn't adding up. To me anyway.

It's hard to understand, but the best frame of reference is to put it in terms of serial killers. A serial killer will almost always try to convince an authority figure, a jury, or an interviewer that they are just like them. Maybe they don't murder people, but they're coming from the same pool and that they just express themselves differently. Rapists tend to:

1. Not consider some rape to be rape (More than 5% of college-age males will admit to having committed a rape as long as it is not explicitly made clear that the description is "rape". A larger fraction flat-out don't think they committed rape, whether it was because the girl didn't explicitly say "no" or any number of reasons).

2. Assume that rape is just something men like to pretend they don't do because it makes them feel better.

We only put about 3% of the fuckers in Jail. Statistically speaking, if we say every one rape is perpetrated by one separate rapist each time, half their victims don't even tell anyone it happened, and most rape accusations don't end with any punishment at all.

 

[Twilight_guy]

Ah, that's too bad. I liked his stuff and, judging from his work lately, I'm guessing this is probably the beginning of the end of his videos. Of well, perhaps its for the best for his personal life.

 

[KRAKENDIE]

There is a "culture" for everything. Rape culture isn't necessarily a movement or cultural force like people assume a "culture" is and promptly write the notion off. Rape culture is so embedded in everything that it is difficult to pull it away from other cultural factors. Slut shaming, rape insults in online gaming, those are parts of rape culture.

ahhh...I see

Yeah. Rape culture is really just the considerable presence of trends and tropes that condone, validate, mimic in our culture. It also includes the dismissal or marginalization of rape.

 

[renaissance_nerd]

I stopped visiting Spoony's website when he started doing nothing but hour long unscripted directionless video blogs about jack whatever.

well he has stopped that, hes now back to reviews with 1 or 2 vlogs sprinkled in here and there.

 

[mizi]

Maybe it's time to lay matters to rest.. I mean, will picking apart the CA press release really accomplish anything? There seems to be a lot of wheel spinning going on in the last five pages.