The very first time you went "this is bullsh*t!" after an ending of something.

[Recusant]

I feel guilty about talking about Wing Commander in any great detail, same reason that I feel guilty about complaining about ME3's ending (only watched, never played). That said, I'm not opposed to Blair dying, but with Prophecy currently standing as the last 'proper' installment, it does leave a bitter taste. Especially since in the context of the game, Blair really seems to be pushing his luck/authority. He's the captain of the Midway, he shouldn't be flying around. Yes, I know, he was the captain of the Union of Border Worlds ship in the previous game and still went on missions, but WC4 felt like a natural end to his character arc, and indeed, a 'book ending' to the series as a whole. Prophecy in many ways feels tacked on to the overall storyline.

Like I said, limited 'right' to gripe here, but given how Blair went out/disappeared, and Prophecy as a whole, it does feel like a lacklustre ending. Not every cliffhanger was put on my list, but Prophecy is certainly one of them.

Guilty? Why? It did make for a lackluster ending, it left us with a lot of unanswered questions, and it ended on a cliffhanger; that's never a good sign. More was planned, but never came. Complaints are wholly warranted.

However, I do feel the need to point out that Drake was the captain (though as I recall he didn't show up much); Blair just helped design the ship and was brought along basically as a courtesy before returning to Earth to retire.

 

[Fox12]

Impossible to remember. One of the earlier ones was Evangelion, but I rewatched it when I was older and enjoyed the ending. I didn't like the alternate, darker theatrical ending that I watched after my third viewing of the show, but that was like seven years ago and I've never rewatched it.

Have you read the Manga? (Which is a finshed series as of now mind you)

I haven't. I don't read manga much. I don't know if I'm gonna revisit Evangelion in any form.

The Mangas worse. I would avoid the manga and the the Rebuilds if I were you. Personally, I loved the show and film, but if they didn't do it for you then the rebuilds won't change your mind.

 

[Hawki]

I feel guilty about talking about Wing Commander in any great detail, same reason that I feel guilty about complaining about ME3's ending (only watched, never played). That said, I'm not opposed to Blair dying, but with Prophecy currently standing as the last 'proper' installment, it does leave a bitter taste. Especially since in the context of the game, Blair really seems to be pushing his luck/authority. He's the captain of the Midway, he shouldn't be flying around. Yes, I know, he was the captain of the Union of Border Worlds ship in the previous game and still went on missions, but WC4 felt like a natural end to his character arc, and indeed, a 'book ending' to the series as a whole. Prophecy in many ways feels tacked on to the overall storyline.

Like I said, limited 'right' to gripe here, but given how Blair went out/disappeared, and Prophecy as a whole, it does feel like a lacklustre ending. Not every cliffhanger was put on my list, but Prophecy is certainly one of them.

Guilty? Why? It did make for a lackluster ending, it left us with a lot of unanswered questions, and it ended on a cliffhanger; that's never a good sign. More was planned, but never came. Complaints are wholly warranted.

Guilty in that I never spent money on the product, and only watched a film version of it (same with the others - some guy compiled the gameplay and cutscenes into pseudo movies that are about 3-4 hours long), so I can't say if I have the 'right' to complain. Secondly, watching a game doesn't give the same narrative experience as playing it, and doing the latter after the former has changed my opinion on a game's story in the past. It's a case of not being sure if I have the 'right' to complain, per se.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Impossible to remember. One of the earlier ones was Evangelion, but I rewatched it when I was older and enjoyed the ending. I didn't like the alternate, darker theatrical ending that I watched after my third viewing of the show, but that was like seven years ago and I've never rewatched it.

Have you read the Manga? (Which is a finshed series as of now mind you)

I haven't. I don't read manga much. I don't know if I'm gonna revisit Evangelion in any form.

Personally I find it a lot easier to read manga, even if its a long running series, than watching a long running anime.

And trust me if you have watched the show before hand reading the manga will feel like a breeze and there are huge differences especialy in characterizations and different events happening.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Impossible to remember. One of the earlier ones was Evangelion, but I rewatched it when I was older and enjoyed the ending. I didn't like the alternate, darker theatrical ending that I watched after my third viewing of the show, but that was like seven years ago and I've never rewatched it.

Have you read the Manga? (Which is a finshed series as of now mind you)

I haven't. I don't read manga much. I don't know if I'm gonna revisit Evangelion in any form.

Personally I find it a lot easier to read manga, even if its a long running series, than watching a long running anime.

And trust me if you have watched the show before hand reading the manga will feel like a breeze and there are huge differences especialy in characterizations and different events happening.

I haven't watched any anime series in years. I can't stand the low budget animation anymore. Besides, twenty minutes is barely long enough to tell a good drama story most of the time. The Sopranos would have been a much lesser show with a twenty minute format. Manga is a better format to tell lengthy stories in. The artist can do more detailed scenes, and since it's more niche, they don't have to make it so trite. Now and then I'll watch a movie (usually one I've seen already, since Japan doesn't make many original animated movies anymore), but that's pretty much it.

I MUST WATCH THE SOPRANOS! I MUST SEE GREAT WRITING AND CHARCTERS AND STORIES!!!

Must see Goodfellas/Casino the series.






HBO is the king of TV, they put all the subsciption money to good use!!!

 

[McElroy]

Hades getting "sucked" into the vortex of souls in Hercules was always kinda bullshit.
The ending of LotR. Y'know, with the eagles.
The love story in the end of Amber Spyglass (3rd book of His Dark Materials).
The American remake of Life on Mars. That was just... oh dear.
Mr. Nobody felt like a complete waste of time right after watching it.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Hades getting "sucked" into the vortex of souls in Hercules was always kinda bullshit.
The ending of LotR. Y'know, with the eagles.
The love story in the end of Amber Spyglass (3rd book of His Dark Materials).
The American remake of Life on Mars. That was just... oh dear.
Mr. Nobody felt like a complete waste of time right after watching it.

The Nazgul had those flying Dragon-like creatures patrolling Mordor.

 

[McElroy]

Hades getting "sucked" into the vortex of souls in Hercules was always kinda bullshit.
The ending of LotR. Y'know, with the eagles.
The love story in the end of Amber Spyglass (3rd book of His Dark Materials).
The American remake of Life on Mars. That was just... oh dear.
Mr. Nobody felt like a complete waste of time right after watching it.

The Nazgul had those flying Dragon-like creatures patrolling Mordor.

Yes? It isn't that much of a stretch to come up with "Oh right, of course the eagles save them. How dramatic." when Frodo and Sam were up there getting some good ol' mountain ash into their lungs.

 

[Trooper924]

I hear you. I felt the same way about this one for a while... I finally decided that it was, indeed, a good ending for a true horror movie- that all of the decisions made by the hero were bad ones, and that the horror of this realization at the end was shared with the audience (at least that's my way of rationalizing it!).

I think even bigger gut punch was that the protagonist saw mother and daughter who either refused to hide in a shop, or were the first ones to muster the bravery to leave (don't remember which) INSIDE the civillian truck, safe and sound.

But I kimd of liked that ending. You are probably right in that it could be shot better, but at its core, for me, it was a lot better than the ending in a book, when they stop at a hotel, turn on the radio, hear the name of the city through static and are now filled with hope. It just didn't have the same impact.

Oh, I completely understand that it ties with the themes that the movie's been presenting and on paper, it's a pretty daring idea. It's just that it's execution is a complete load of bull.

I mean, even the mist goes away the minute the army shows up? Come on. If it was any more heavy handed, we would've heard the mother (who was the only one brave enough to leave the store alone after the mist started) telling her kids, "Sure glad I didn't try to mercy kill you guys back there. That would've been preeeeetty bad!"

 

[WindKnight]

I can't remember the title, but it was a warhammer fantasy short story that is set up as 'kid meets cute elf girl, they flirt, cute elf girl gets kidnapped by horrible monster, kid heads out to rescue her' story which is pretty note for note on the cliche, except because this is warhammer and everything is Grimdark, by the time the evil monster is defeated the elf girls been killed and eaten, and the kid realises everything's grimdark and he has to be a stoic badass and...

I can take bleak endings (heck, about the only positive think I will say about MD Geist is the ending is jaw dropping in its bleakness, but still make sense) but it didn't really earn it. Just Grimdark for Grimdarks sake (and I really don't like the whole disposable woman cliche, even back then)

 

[the December King]

Oh, I completely understand that it ties with the themes that the movie's been presenting and on paper, it's a pretty daring idea. It's just that it's execution is a complete load of bull.

I mean, even the mist goes away the minute the army shows up? Come on. If it was any more heavy handed, we would've heard the mother (who was the only one brave enough to leave the store alone after the mist started) telling her kids, "Sure glad I didn't try to mercy kill you guys back there. That would've been preeeeetty bad!"

Oh, sure. It was pretty heavy handed, I'll admit.

 

[Hawki]

Hades getting "sucked" into the vortex of souls in Hercules was always kinda bullshit.
The ending of LotR. Y'know, with the eagles.
The love story in the end of Amber Spyglass (3rd book of His Dark Materials).

1) I thought it was a good way for him to go.

2) Disagree, but I can agree to disagree, because I've seen the eagles debated from the Grey Havens to Far Harad.

3) While I'm not that fond of the trilogy, I can appreciate the symbolism/sub-text here. Lyra and Will are basically Eve and Adam 2.0 - puberty/the onset of attraction is the equivalent of eating from the Tree of Knowledge, only in the context of the story, it's presented as a good thing, given that the Authority is dead and Metatron is overthrown.

 

[Thaluikhain]

I can't remember the title, but it was a warhammer fantasy short story that is set up as 'kid meets cute elf girl, they flirt, cute elf girl gets kidnapped by horrible monster, kid heads out to rescue her' story which is pretty note for note on the cliche, except because this is warhammer and everything is Grimdark, by the time the evil monster is defeated the elf girls been killed and eaten, and the kid realises everything's grimdark and he has to be a stoic badass and...

I can take bleak endings (heck, about the only positive think I will say about MD Geist is the ending is jaw dropping in its bleakness, but still make sense) but it didn't really earn it. Just Grimdark for Grimdarks sake (and I really don't like the whole disposable woman cliche, even back then)

Oh, is that the one where he is a orphaned fisherman, and it turned out his dad was a famous crusader against chaos, and he'd come back as an elf eating monster?

Though, that didn't seem that grimdark to me because she wasn't a love interest, just some random woman he happened to think was attractive and had known for like 5 minutes.

 

[Glongpre]

The ending of LotR. Y'know, with the eagles.

Sauron was defeated so no threat of being attacked by the Nazgul. They were already there helping the army of men attack the gates. Gandalf is a bro, so they say sure we will help you look to see if the hobbits are OK.

?

 

[McElroy]

Hades getting "sucked" into the vortex of souls in Hercules was always kinda bullshit.
The ending of LotR. Y'know, with the eagles.
The love story in the end of Amber Spyglass (3rd book of His Dark Materials).

1) I thought it was a good way for him to go.

2) Disagree, but I can agree to disagree, because I've seen the eagles debated from the Grey Havens to Far Harad.

3) While I'm not that fond of the trilogy, I can appreciate the symbolism/sub-text here. Lyra and Will are basically Eve and Adam 2.0 - puberty/the onset of attraction is the equivalent of eating from the Tree of Knowledge, only in the context of the story, it's presented as a good thing, given that the Authority is dead and Metatron is overthrown.

Yeah, but go where? Even as little kids we understood that pool shouldn't be an inconvenience to a god, because that's why Hercules got out literally a few seconds earlier.

No matter how much I've seen it debated in the internet with my adult eyes - in early 2004 everyone in our fifth grade (who had seen the movie) thought the eagles were just an easy way to end the movie with some gay hobbit frolicking.

Similarly I read those books back when I still read for fun. Some cheesy romance with weird in-universe rules attached to it certainly didn't add to the enjoyment.

The ending of LotR. Y'know, with the eagles.

Sauron was defeated so no threat of being attacked by the Nazgul. They were already there helping the army of men attack the gates. Gandalf is a bro, so they say sure we will help you look to see if the hobbits are OK.

As I said, this has nothing to do with hating on the movies or disagreeing with whatever this and that nerd has to say about them especially now over ten years later. I was answering the topic.

 

[Hawki]

Similarly I read those books back when I still read for fun.

As opposed to...not reading for fun? Doesn't that kind of defeat the point (well, bar non-fiction potentially)?