The WoW Killer has finally arrived
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PvE players ending up PvP zones was not intended and hasn't occurred since Beta as far as I know of(since there were only two servers in Beta they had to do it.) Unless a PvE player grouped with another PvP player as party leader, they could send it to a PvP zone.
I think it is a more elegant solution to the low population problem than closing servers, and it allows friends who play on different servers a chance to play together.
It does have some down sides, but nothing like the rants the OP wants you to believe.
WoW has its downsides and cycles, it can become boring and bad during these cycles People just want to hate on the game out of jealousy and justify reasoning not to come back.
I think it is a more elegant solution to the low population problem than closing servers, and it allows friends who play on different servers a chance to play together.
It does have some down sides, but nothing like the rants the OP wants you to believe.
WoW has its downsides and cycles, it can become boring and bad during these cycles People just want to hate on the game out of jealousy and justify reasoning not to come back.
I doubt that any game or crappy feature could be the real "WoW killer" people talk about all by itself.
personally, I rekon that it would have to be about 3 or 4 sepreate things all at the same time that eventually "kills" it. This might be the start though if this messes with players as much as the OP said. If mists of pandaria is also rubbish (which I personally suspect) and then if another game suddenly has a new expansion or entirely new game appears then WoW might finally be "killed".
I propose an international day of mourning when the servers eventually go down, where we all bow our heads towards our routers, silently munching a bag of cheetos with the curtains closed. Washed down with a mountain dew while the Blizzard national anthem plays.
Since, realistically, by the time WoW does get shut down, Blizzard will have enough money to buy most developing nations and landscape them to be an accurate replica of the WoW plaayable realms.
IMHO
personally, I rekon that it would have to be about 3 or 4 sepreate things all at the same time that eventually "kills" it. This might be the start though if this messes with players as much as the OP said. If mists of pandaria is also rubbish (which I personally suspect) and then if another game suddenly has a new expansion or entirely new game appears then WoW might finally be "killed".
I propose an international day of mourning when the servers eventually go down, where we all bow our heads towards our routers, silently munching a bag of cheetos with the curtains closed. Washed down with a mountain dew while the Blizzard national anthem plays.
Since, realistically, by the time WoW does get shut down, Blizzard will have enough money to buy most developing nations and landscape them to be an accurate replica of the WoW plaayable realms.
IMHO
Wait when you get attacked it's the whole faction? But when you attack them it's just some radical? . . . Events in the middle east are starting to make much more sense to me.Capitano Segnaposto said:Nuh-uh. That was Garrosh. I didn't even participate! I was in Silithus at the time! Stupid Nozdormu. He still hates me for screwing with the Qiraji six years agoaceman67 said:
Oh, I should have thrown in the disclaimer that I don't don't care. Even when I played WoW I thought it was like a porno, yeah there is a story but that's not why 90% of the people are here. It just doesn't matter.Capitano Segnaposto said:Who ever said I despised the entire Alliance? Sure I may hate Night Elves (bastards) and Blood Elves (Bigger Bastards), but I don't despise ALL of the Alliance. Hell I love the gnomes! They are great practice for Punting. Also humans are very tasty.Eddie the head said:Wait when you get attacked it's the whole faction? But when you attack them it's just some radical? . . . Events in the middle east are starting to make much more sense to me.Capitano Segnaposto said:Nuh-uh. That was Garrosh. I didn't even participate! I was in Silithus at the time! Stupid Nozdormu. He still hates me for screwing with the Qiraji six years agoaceman67 said:
However, I do enjoy the Dwarven Works. Hell I helped the Archeologist multiple times.
But seriously, fuck elves. Evil bastards destroyed my home. And they DARE join the Horde? Bah. Fruity little bats.
Yeah, people have been "prophesying" the death of WoW since it's incarnations, and all that's happened is it's grown bigger and... well, not better... but still!
If you ask me, the game has another 4 to 5 year life span until Blizzard reveals and releases it's Titan project. And know Blizzard, we'd be lucky if we got to see what Titan was this decade, a good century or two before release... easier getting to Mars I'd say than that happened.
Because WoW ruined MMOs forever. The combination of it's dated game mechanics and success has driven countless other companies into the ground trying to accomplish half of what Blizzard did, and the games have suffered because of it.
Imagine if a Final Fantasy game had become the pinnacle of RPGS, and not just JRPGs. It had made so much money and become so successful that every developer that had plans to make an RPG tried to remake that one Final Fantasy - let's say it was VII. Now you might say VII had already become ridiculously over-hyped and undeservingly popular and had branch countless copy cats; but, it still doesn't compare. Imagine if EVERY FUCKING RPGS UP TIL NOW was a remake of that game.
Another words:
No Mass Effect
No Dragon Age
No more Fallout
No more Elder Scrolls
No Western RPGs... period.
Nothing but FF7 clones for years to come. Or another words FF13 every few months.
That's what WoW has done to MMOs; it's stagnated the genre so badly no attempts of originality in the last 7 years have been made. NONE!
That's why WoW needs to die, and die hard so one day an MMO can come out again that might be worth playing. 0o
If you ask me, the game has another 4 to 5 year life span until Blizzard reveals and releases it's Titan project. And know Blizzard, we'd be lucky if we got to see what Titan was this decade, a good century or two before release... easier getting to Mars I'd say than that happened.
aguspal said:
Because WoW ruined MMOs forever. The combination of it's dated game mechanics and success has driven countless other companies into the ground trying to accomplish half of what Blizzard did, and the games have suffered because of it.
Imagine if a Final Fantasy game had become the pinnacle of RPGS, and not just JRPGs. It had made so much money and become so successful that every developer that had plans to make an RPG tried to remake that one Final Fantasy - let's say it was VII. Now you might say VII had already become ridiculously over-hyped and undeservingly popular and had branch countless copy cats; but, it still doesn't compare. Imagine if EVERY FUCKING RPGS UP TIL NOW was a remake of that game.
Another words:
No Mass Effect
No Dragon Age
No more Fallout
No more Elder Scrolls
No Western RPGs... period.
Nothing but FF7 clones for years to come. Or another words FF13 every few months.
That's what WoW has done to MMOs; it's stagnated the genre so badly no attempts of originality in the last 7 years have been made. NONE!
That's why WoW needs to die, and die hard so one day an MMO can come out again that might be worth playing. 0o
Think you can send a link to that thread my way? I'm pretty curious about it now.Terminate421 said:
Still not sure why people believe that it's WoW's fault that OTHER developers are SO lazy and don't have an original thought in their heads. Also, you said WoW needs to die so an MMO can come out that is worth playing. Umm, Guild Wars 2? ArenaNet has PROVEN, that if you are actually willing to use your brain, you can come out with a good MMO that isn't a straight WoW clone.Nomanslander said:
Another thing, I think people seem to think that an MMO's success = having subscriptions greater than, or equal to, WoW. That's not the case, just because an MMO may not have the numbers that WoW has, doesn't mean it is unsuccessful.
Yeah and I could argue it's pretty objectively bad, and Middle Earth is pretty objectively good. But I don't want to get into it. The narrative is just all over the place. And I am going to get into this.Capitano Segnaposto said:
While I personally hate the idea of MMOs in general, I do agree with these two. It's just a fucking game.Nautical Honors Society said:
Now stop bitching about a game you guys clearly don't play and go play COD or something.
For what is hopefully the last time, the Pandaren have been involved with Warcraft since Warcraft 3, which, I might add, was released in 2002, 6 ENTIRE YEARS BEFORE KUNG FU PANDA.KING POJO said:
I play on Dath'Remar and Cross Realm Zones have given a new meaning to "protecting your capital city", or something like that.
If anything, this is one of the better things to happen to WoW. Constant battles outside of Stormwind, we're talking from anywhere between 25 to 100ish level 85s (this is before Mists content was unlocked) for each faction, battling it out, one trying to raid the capital city, the other defending their home. I was enjoying a level of conflict I'd never seen before.
If anything, this is one of the better things to happen to WoW. Constant battles outside of Stormwind, we're talking from anywhere between 25 to 100ish level 85s (this is before Mists content was unlocked) for each faction, battling it out, one trying to raid the capital city, the other defending their home. I was enjoying a level of conflict I'd never seen before.
WoW was never hard.phreakdb said:
It was just the presence of unnecessary difficulty that makes people think they were "hardcore" when in all reality it was just a masochism check.
Doing things like rounding up 40 people to do raids, or doing old school naxx in the narrow window you had before BC hit wasn't exactly hard. It was just time consuming. I'd know, I was there.
Meanwhile an encounter like 0-light yogg which was stuffed in what's considered the easiest all-around expansion to WoW was virtually ignored because....it was hard. Really hard. Only one guild who min-maxed to an absurd level even beat it before Blizzard caved and nerfed it.
Considering that the game is centered around raids making 5 man instances and heroics both difficult and time consuming is stupid. You screw over people who aren't casual, and aren't hardcore because the people who put in the time will only want to put up with hard instances if they're with their buddies, and meanwhile everyone else gets stuck with the guy who doesn't even begin to min-max and doesn't get why you want to gem and enchant gear. Those heroics everyone complained were too easy were suppose to be easy by design because they were meant to ferry you to raid content. And it's not like you couldn't make the heroics hard either- seriously, how many people did the heroic instance meta-achievement? How many?
You do have the right idea though- Blizzard's absolute worst ideas for changes in WoW almost always come back to the changes they make that wreck the community. They've made everything cross-server but no one really stopped to ask what that does to the community. You actually don't want to be stuffed in a server where you know virtually no one. BG's where you don't even know your own team, let alone the other in a friendly / rival sort of way aren't as good. People tend to mix up recognition based on gear with recognition based on name and guild.
I kind of saw this coming. The CRZ idea just didn't seem to sit well with me, and yes it's a flawed mechanic. I think there's a lesson to be learned here, but I'm to lazy to find it. Blizzard should really drop the mechanic before they lose any more subcribers.
The point isn't subscribers, the point is having a thriving community. The fact is MMOs are little more than facebook with an RPG attached to it, and community is what counts. Now I've played just about every worthwhile MMO that has come out since WoW - Eveonline included - and none of them have satisfied me with this sense more than WOW had except for the game mentioned (unfortunately Eve online just wasn't the game for me - gameplay wasn't my cup of tea = boring as shit). But anyways, there hasn't been one MMO since WOW to give me that sense of grandeur; just about everyone I've played fell apart in terms of community long before the game got interesting.Verrik said:
This post tells the truth.acosn said:
I don't get why people complain about the game being "easier" nowadays. The only "hard" thing about the game back in vanilla was to have enough spare time to farm money for consumables. I remember quite a few encounters where 30 out of those 40 people would be spamming one button, and for some of them that button was a cleanse-macro attached to their custom interface.
