Thief Will Feature a "Less Goth" Garrett - UPDATED
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*holds face in hands*
Ok...ok.
I'm not even going to read the posts before me, because I know they will be filled with outrage and much butthurtedness.
Regardless.....developers..he looks "goff" in that picture, ie teenagers who dress in black everything and wear entirely too much makeup and think they have to be dark and brooding all the time.
Shows how much they know about what goth is.
And for the record, he never really was goth, aside from his cynical understated snarkiness.
*sighs heavily*
EDIT: For anyone saying something like "You're going to dismiss/judge the game based on how the main character looks?"
YES....
...to a degree.
I think most Thief fans would agree one of the many joys of the game is hearing Stephen Russell snark on and on in his lovely tone about the goings on the player is witnessing. His look is most certainly going to have an effect on how he talks and behaves. And that character up there looks about as fun as a wet blanket.
EDIT 2: Still going to wait. If the gameplay is still as varied and satisfying, I may be able to get over the redesign.
Ok...ok.
I'm not even going to read the posts before me, because I know they will be filled with outrage and much butthurtedness.
Regardless.....developers..he looks "goff" in that picture, ie teenagers who dress in black everything and wear entirely too much makeup and think they have to be dark and brooding all the time.
Shows how much they know about what goth is.
And for the record, he never really was goth, aside from his cynical understated snarkiness.
*sighs heavily*
EDIT: For anyone saying something like "You're going to dismiss/judge the game based on how the main character looks?"
YES....
...to a degree.
I think most Thief fans would agree one of the many joys of the game is hearing Stephen Russell snark on and on in his lovely tone about the goings on the player is witnessing. His look is most certainly going to have an effect on how he talks and behaves. And that character up there looks about as fun as a wet blanket.
EDIT 2: Still going to wait. If the gameplay is still as varied and satisfying, I may be able to get over the redesign.
I wouldn't jump of the hate train just yet, Human Revolution showed they know their stuff. So i'll give them the benefit of the doubt for now.
I wonder if they meant that they'll improve the combat engine and make it a viable option to get through the game, but a crappy option when compared to stealth with little to no reward. It could also possibly mean that garret's movements will be more dynamic. "Action moves" is a really vague phrase when you get down to it and it could mean their making Generic Action Game #45621654, or a proper thief game with an improved combat and movement engine.
Either way, poor choice of words on the game designers part.
I wonder if they meant that they'll improve the combat engine and make it a viable option to get through the game, but a crappy option when compared to stealth with little to no reward. It could also possibly mean that garret's movements will be more dynamic. "Action moves" is a really vague phrase when you get down to it and it could mean their making Generic Action Game #45621654, or a proper thief game with an improved combat and movement engine.
Either way, poor choice of words on the game designers part.
But Deus Ex: HR had terrible character design. Adam Jensen had a ridiculous overgrown emo-child voice that no functioning person, much less a corporate security chief (i.e. successful management personnel) could ever pull off in real life without being ridiculed. He did this strange valley-girl side-lean animation every time he was in conversations at the same time that he would cross his bizarrely inflated arms. The sunglasses and trench coat gave him the vibe of one of those mallrats who just finished watching The Matrix circa 1999 for the first time and was desperate to look as cool as Neo. And most silly of all was the pointy chin -- what in the hell was going on there?
We're trusting these guys to redesign Garrett, one of the greatest characters of gaming history. Ugh.
Hopefully the cutscenes will be in FPV and they keep Stephen Russell as Garrett's voice.
We're trusting these guys to redesign Garrett, one of the greatest characters of gaming history. Ugh.
Hopefully the cutscenes will be in FPV and they keep Stephen Russell as Garrett's voice.
Thief 3 wrapped up Garrett's story pretty nicely, I don't see why they even needed to use him at all. The Thief games were always more about the City and its inhabitants than Garrett. I'm guessing they felt fans would reject a Garrett-less game. I'm not particularly married to the character, nor do I even feel Stephen Russell needs to voice him. New Thief for a new generation; nothing wrong with that.
I'm willing to give this team some credit after the solid job they did with Human Revolution. The "more action" focus was inevitable, and while I agree that Garrett shouldn't be some one-man army hacking and slashing his way through hordes of dudes, giving him more options to deal with foes is just fine. Again, Human Revolution had some pretty solid stealth mechanics so I'm not too worried.
In any case it's way too early to call the game. The hype train is only just leaving the station...
I'm willing to give this team some credit after the solid job they did with Human Revolution. The "more action" focus was inevitable, and while I agree that Garrett shouldn't be some one-man army hacking and slashing his way through hordes of dudes, giving him more options to deal with foes is just fine. Again, Human Revolution had some pretty solid stealth mechanics so I'm not too worried.
In any case it's way too early to call the game. The hype train is only just leaving the station...
Putting fingers in ears now because everything I hear about the game disappoints me more and more.
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"We wanted to bring him more for the modern audience of today's console market,"
Those are words I always fear. I got nothing against consoles, but shit if I don't hate when they take a good old game and make it extra shitty so people will like it. Not that Deus Ex HR was bad, I quite liked it, but it wasn't it's predecessors and I think it's unfair to hold them in the same light. Just make an honestly good stealth game. Make it so you can fuck up without dying instantly(I'm looking at Splinter Cell here). Make it so you can just leave the enemies alone if you're really good. Dishonored nearly did this, but there needs to be more shadows. Also letting us teleport around makes it too easy. I did like possessing rats in order to escape or sneak.
Those are words I always fear. I got nothing against consoles, but shit if I don't hate when they take a good old game and make it extra shitty so people will like it. Not that Deus Ex HR was bad, I quite liked it, but it wasn't it's predecessors and I think it's unfair to hold them in the same light. Just make an honestly good stealth game. Make it so you can fuck up without dying instantly(I'm looking at Splinter Cell here). Make it so you can just leave the enemies alone if you're really good. Dishonored nearly did this, but there needs to be more shadows. Also letting us teleport around makes it too easy. I did like possessing rats in order to escape or sneak.
Hey come on now you have to admit Generic Action Game #45621653 was pretty fucking awesome! Didn't you SEE the level of detail in the protagonist's stubble?Mike the Bard said:
Doesn't seem too bad to me. Though I never have played Thief, but I really want to. Seems like they are going to the Assassins Creed look with hood and single shoulder piece. The eye shadow is a bit much though.
I don't think action would be too bad as long as it makes sense within the context of the game. The name of the game is "Thief" not "Assassin" I would think a thief wants to avoid combat. Yeah the AAA treatment might not fit in well here.
I don't think action would be too bad as long as it makes sense within the context of the game. The name of the game is "Thief" not "Assassin" I would think a thief wants to avoid combat. Yeah the AAA treatment might not fit in well here.
for comparison
http://media.moddb.com/images/games/1/1/227/thief2covernn5.jpg
Yeah they made him both a goth and a ninja. Even if they toned it down slightly. Also, "black nails"? when was that ever a thing? You never even see his nails...
Ah, I forgot how Eidos Montreal is addicted to stylized visuals. I'm thinking this will be about as good incomparison to Thief II as Deus Ex: HR is to the original Deus Ex. Above average, but not as enjoyable as the original. It will probably be gorgeous, but...thief has never been a game that really wanted to be gorgeous.
See, after Thief II, the original writers dropped Garrett as a character because his story was played out. The world is sufficiently vague that they could pull a completely new character and it would be fine. Which they should do when going for a heavy visual redesign.
http://media.moddb.com/images/games/1/1/227/thief2covernn5.jpg
Yeah they made him both a goth and a ninja. Even if they toned it down slightly. Also, "black nails"? when was that ever a thing? You never even see his nails...
Ah, I forgot how Eidos Montreal is addicted to stylized visuals. I'm thinking this will be about as good incomparison to Thief II as Deus Ex: HR is to the original Deus Ex. Above average, but not as enjoyable as the original. It will probably be gorgeous, but...thief has never been a game that really wanted to be gorgeous.
See, after Thief II, the original writers dropped Garrett as a character because his story was played out. The world is sufficiently vague that they could pull a completely new character and it would be fine. Which they should do when going for a heavy visual redesign.
I feel like this guy is just talking out of his butt.
As for how Garret will turn out, at least they're not rebooting him as an improbably skilled short dark haired white guy who is always justified in everything he does ever like the star of every video game made in the last decade and a half.
I mean, the game is called Thief, they may be able too pull a few Robin Hood stunts but they won't be able too make Garret a "Good guy" because although he was never an utter bastard, he was never good either.
As for how Garret will turn out, at least they're not rebooting him as an improbably skilled short dark haired white guy who is always justified in everything he does ever like the star of every video game made in the last decade and a half.
I mean, the game is called Thief, they may be able too pull a few Robin Hood stunts but they won't be able too make Garret a "Good guy" because although he was never an utter bastard, he was never good either.
