Thief Will Feature a "Less Goth" Garrett - UPDATED

[Farthing]

for comparison
http://media.moddb.com/images/games/1/1/227/thief2covernn5.jpg

Yeah they made him both a goth and a ninja. Even if they toned it down slightly. Also, "black nails"? when was that ever a thing? You never even see his nails...

Ah, I forgot how Eidos Montreal is addicted to stylized visuals. I'm thinking this will be about as good incomparison to Thief II as Deus Ex: HR is to the original Deus Ex. Above average, but not as enjoyable as the original. It will probably be gorgeous, but...thief has never been a game that really wanted to be gorgeous.

See, after Thief II, the original writers dropped Garrett as a character because his story was played out. The world is sufficiently vague that they could pull a completely new character and it would be fine. Which they should do when going for a heavy visual redesign.

 

[Tradjus]

I feel like this guy is just talking out of his butt.
As for how Garret will turn out, at least they're not rebooting him as an improbably skilled short dark haired white guy who is always justified in everything he does ever like the star of every video game made in the last decade and a half.
I mean, the game is called Thief, they may be able too pull a few Robin Hood stunts but they won't be able too make Garret a "Good guy" because although he was never an utter bastard, he was never good either.

 

[Jayemsal]

"We wanted to bring him more for the modern audience of today's console market."

Well, you heard it here folks, the series is officially crap now.

 

[TheDoctor455]

Ahem. That's *less* goth? Seriously?

He looks like a freaking panda!

I think I'm going to have to pretend like this remake never happened.

Or that evil mage from Looking for Group.

 

[sageoftruth]

This... does not make me feel confident. Hopefully "more action moves" means more dynamic and acrobatic ways of traversing the environment and not "more forced combat." Because fuck that noise.

I wouldn't bet on it, though :[

Chances are, it will probably mean more QTEs.

God forbid! I could not think of a worse game to have QTEs.

 

[sageoftruth]

Ahem. That's *less* goth? Seriously?

He looks like a freaking panda!

I think I'm going to have to pretend like this remake never happened.

Or that evil mage from Looking for Group.

I'm getting the impression he either misspoke under pressure, or really needs to work on his choice of words.

 

[porous_shield]

Why don't they just hire the Resident 4 merchant and have it done with? I'm sure it'd be cheap since that guy doesn't seem like he found work since.

There are some serious misunderstandings going on somewhere about Thief and Garrett.

 

[Kilo24]

Well, I can't say that I'm too optimistic. One major thing that was very interesting about Garrett's character was that he was aspiring to be nothing more than a thief, but he kept getting dragged into heroics. Thief 2 undermined that a little, Thief 3 a good bit more (partially due to declining writing quality.) It's hard enough to build a character like that once; I really doubt the abilities of people who aren't the original writers to do so again. Particularly when the character is becoming more ninja-like.

That also was unique (and still is) among games - you played a thief, not a sneaky melee fighter with two daggers who picks locks and disarms traps. In the first two games, it was a matter of professional pride to kill no one. The Dishonored influence undermines that; although it had rewards for not killing people, the majority of the abilities were focused around the opposite.

There is also the matter of writing the Hammerites and Pagans. Especially the Pagans, which - with their speech quirks and tree-hugging proclivities - could have easily become a joke instead of the delicately balanced mixture of whimsy and savagery they were in the first two games. Of course, the reboot might cut those factions out (probably to its detriment, since they are a critical part of the setting.)

Edit: And I watched the linked video. I was somewhat heartened by hearing them saying that he wasn't really trying to be a hero.

Then... what the hell?!?! The Joker from the Dark Knight is an inspiration for Garrett?! I honestly have no bloody idea how they drew a connection between the two. And I felt a little more hope die inside.

...

God forbid! I could not think of a worse game to have QTEs.

I can. "Press X to not be eaten by a grue!"

 

[Laser Priest]

Hey guys, chill out, it's only a hair colour change, what's the big deal?

Did you... Did you read the article? Or any of the posts? Or anything other than look at the picture?

I'm sorry, but to me it seems pretty clear. They are going against many of the elements of the previous games that people loved. They all but say that they are making it more of an action game. They literally said they are altering the character design to appeal to a wider demographic (going by the picture, I'd say they are aiming for the blind demographic) and everything else they've said leads us all to believe that they're sacrificing so many things we love about Thief to make a "more widely appealing" game, which is sounding less like Thief and more like a different game they threw Thief's name on for some extra attention.

And they are showing a clear lack of understanding of what "Goth" and "Gothic" both are.

I want to reserve my judgement until I see the final product, but everything I hear about this just seems to rocket downward.

 

[Squilookle]

"Time has moved on," Narrative Director Steve Gallagher added. "We're not still in 1998."

Yes, and that's exactly the problem. I wish developers still had the balls to follow what they themselves wanted to see in their games like they did in the 90s, rather than now where they're so thoroughly whipped by shareholder's desires to appease a modern crowd with minimal departure from the samey games that are flooding the market.

Make a damn THIEF game- the way YOU believe it should be- not the way you just hope the crowd of 13 year olds whose parents have fat wallets just *might* like it to be.

 

[Daemonate]

It isn't the same team that made DE:HR. Same company, not same people.
"It's not 1998 anymore". Tell that to Kickstarter, asshole.
"action". This is NOT A WORD THAT GOES WITH THE THIEF SERIES. Anymore than "First person shooter" should be in Starcraft 3.

Dear Mr. Smart-ass, fuck-you-actual-thief-fans-we-like-consoles developer, you have officially demoted your game to:
*Not pre-ordering,
*Not day-1 purchasing,
*Not reading any more hype.
*Let me know when Yahtzee and RazorFist review it

status.

End.

 

[Norrdicus]

Hey guys, chill out, it's only a hair colour change, what's the big deal?

Did you... Did you read the article? Or any of the posts? Or anything other than look at the picture?

Jim, I think this guy was making a joke by comparing this to the new DmC changes

 

[Quellist]

I fucking despair of this, both Garrets look and the stream of gibberish from Cantin and Gallagher. Sounds like another beloved IP is going to be butchered for the 'modern console audience', well fuck you Eidos, why dont you make it third person while your at it so you can see your new redesigned character do his 'action moves'

 

[Laser Priest]

Hey guys, chill out, it's only a hair colour change, what's the big deal?

Did you... Did you read the article? Or any of the posts? Or anything other than look at the picture?

Jim, I think this guy was making a joke by comparing this to the new DmC changes

Perhaps so, but one can never be sure on the internet.

Also, I didn't pay attention to anything having to do with DMC, so that wasn't exactly something that registered in my mind.

Plus, it gave me an excuse to say all of the complaints I have with this that have already been stated, so yeah.

 

[Ulquiorra4sama]

Any people feeling like changing their attitude to the DMC outcry now? Not so fun when it's YOUR character getting the reboot stamped in his face, huh?

To be perfectly honest the redesign isn't so much what worries me about this speech. It sorta pales when set next to the statement that they'll make the Thief series more action based. THAT too me seems to be the real cause for worry here. At least Devil May Cry kept the gameplay within the same ballpark.

 

[Auron]

The sad thing is that if they were using another name people would be ultra hyped at another stealth-action first person game.

 

[SushiJaguar]

When the fucking lead director doesn't even know what he's talking about, you know this remake is going to PAN.

Fucking action moves in a thief game. WE ALREADY HAVE ASSASSIN'S CREED.

 

[Auron]

Assassin's Creed has no stealth is third person etc.

 

[Bato]

"We wanted to bring him more for the modern audience of today's console market; He's now in the game doing more action moves and that's how we wanted the costume and the suit to reflect that."

Then it's not a Thief game. Thieves do not do action.

They may be scallywags, no-goodniks, ne'er-do-wells, hooligan, scoundrels, and shysters.
But they are not rowdy types.

If the developers are insistent on keeping with this direction then it may be best to drop the Thief brand. Because it might be a pretty darn good game, but it's not a Thief game. And I would just be pissed off about the wasted potential.