Thief Will Feature a "Less Goth" Garrett - UPDATED
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I loled, it was really dumb to compare it to something that we dont know about while there is something with the same name.rhizhim said:
"No, not that Garret! THIS Garret, the one we never talked about."
After the update there are two possibilities.
They were actually talking about their new design of garrett which they changed but thought everyone knew about. The whole something might be clear as day for you but might not be for others thing happens then.
OR
They realise they fucked up, and are now changing the design a bit all while using this as a cover story.
A little bit of faith is restored but they are on thin ice now.
They were actually talking about their new design of garrett which they changed but thought everyone knew about. The whole something might be clear as day for you but might not be for others thing happens then.
OR
They realise they fucked up, and are now changing the design a bit all while using this as a cover story.
A little bit of faith is restored but they are on thin ice now.
Oh God, I'm getting a sickening feeling...
I'm a long-time fan of the Thief series. I've always thought it had a perfectly good story; not everything was given away immediately in it, and as the games progressed you found out more and more about the city Garret lived in and the factions that controlled it. Garret evolved as a character (somewhat) and the gameplay was simple but challenging. It was a perfectly fine formula, and if they're going to concentrate on story in this game, that can work, so long as they don't make radical, unnecessary changes to the rest of it. Maybe there will be more going on during the in-game periods that directly affects the plot instead of keeping it regulated to just cutscenes. That would be fine with me, just so long as they don't fuck up what already works.
BUT...I fear that's exactly what they're going to do. I'm worried they're going to make it linear as shit with almost no sense of exploration or free-roaming. Some people come down a bit on Thief: Deadly Shadows, but while I admit the levels weren't as sprawling and encouraging exploration as the previous two, it was still fun and had a certain amount of exploration. Maybe not as much as it could have, or should have, but nonetheless it was fun. If they turn thief into a predetermined path of linear corridors with no organic hiding or use of cover and shadows, make lockpicking a God damn QTE or pre-baked, one-button action...I'll be imitating Noah "Spoony" Antweiller and calling "BETRAYAL!!!!"
As for the redesign...well I guess it could have been worse, but frankly I don't think they needed to make him look like a damn vampire wearing eyeliner and dress him like a cookie-cutter rogue out of any generic fantasy game. Not that his original design didn't sort of have that look to him anyway, but it wasn't quite so...blatant. The difference is subtle, but it's there, particularly with that face-hugging lower mask. That, to me, just sort of says "I'm obviously trying to hide my identity."
And yes, they need to get Stephen Russell back as the voice of Garrett. If they don't, it's going to be a major letdown. Without him, they might as well just retire Garrett and hand the torch over to a new character (SPOILERS: Like what they hinted at in the end of TDS.)
I'm a long-time fan of the Thief series. I've always thought it had a perfectly good story; not everything was given away immediately in it, and as the games progressed you found out more and more about the city Garret lived in and the factions that controlled it. Garret evolved as a character (somewhat) and the gameplay was simple but challenging. It was a perfectly fine formula, and if they're going to concentrate on story in this game, that can work, so long as they don't make radical, unnecessary changes to the rest of it. Maybe there will be more going on during the in-game periods that directly affects the plot instead of keeping it regulated to just cutscenes. That would be fine with me, just so long as they don't fuck up what already works.
BUT...I fear that's exactly what they're going to do. I'm worried they're going to make it linear as shit with almost no sense of exploration or free-roaming. Some people come down a bit on Thief: Deadly Shadows, but while I admit the levels weren't as sprawling and encouraging exploration as the previous two, it was still fun and had a certain amount of exploration. Maybe not as much as it could have, or should have, but nonetheless it was fun. If they turn thief into a predetermined path of linear corridors with no organic hiding or use of cover and shadows, make lockpicking a God damn QTE or pre-baked, one-button action...I'll be imitating Noah "Spoony" Antweiller and calling "BETRAYAL!!!!"
As for the redesign...well I guess it could have been worse, but frankly I don't think they needed to make him look like a damn vampire wearing eyeliner and dress him like a cookie-cutter rogue out of any generic fantasy game. Not that his original design didn't sort of have that look to him anyway, but it wasn't quite so...blatant. The difference is subtle, but it's there, particularly with that face-hugging lower mask. That, to me, just sort of says "I'm obviously trying to hide my identity."
And yes, they need to get Stephen Russell back as the voice of Garrett. If they don't, it's going to be a major letdown. Without him, they might as well just retire Garrett and hand the torch over to a new character (SPOILERS: Like what they hinted at in the end of TDS.)
Okay, the update sounds a bit more promising, though I hope the image in the article is the rejected, previous version. If that's the revised one, I'd hate to see what the original looked like.
<spoiler=probably like this> http://www.nuclearblast.de/en/rp/img/bands/immortal.jpg
<spoiler=probably like this> http://www.nuclearblast.de/en/rp/img/bands/immortal.jpg
The update makes me a bit more confident in the game. Maybe it's just back-pedalling but, hey, maybe we scared them enough to make a proper Thief game!
This looks a lot like Batman's league of shadows ninja costume from the first movie in the Dark Knight trilogy.
It's always OK to make fun of Emo's. To quote Randy Milholland "Remember, it's down the street, not across the road!"somonels said:
Also, back on topic this is the is THE BEST description of the new character design, ever. I doff my cap to you, sir or madam.
I know how you feel. I know my eyes watered a bit when I realized that Supreme Commander 2 wasn't even a shadow of the original game I grew to love. This news softens the blow a little more. I was so excited for Supcom 2 that I never saw a hint of anything wrong before release.elilupe said:
I'm just glad I downloaded the demo to get a taste of it before buying it. I did the same for Supcom 1, and I couldn't get a full copy fast enough.
I bet they don't give a shit about Garrett's new look. They just pulled that out now, so they can later say "Yeah, you hate the game just because Garrett wears eyeliner".
But seriously: From what i've read in this article, it seems to me that people at Eidos Montreal are confusing the meanings of "gothic" term, when it comes to Thief series.
But seriously: From what i've read in this article, it seems to me that people at Eidos Montreal are confusing the meanings of "gothic" term, when it comes to Thief series.
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Anyway, i plan to play in first person view, so as long as Garrett will sound like Stephen Russell, i won't mind. Unless, they'll fill missions with cutscenes, cause, you know "We're not still in 1998."
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Anyway, i plan to play in first person view, so as long as Garrett will sound like Stephen Russell, i won't mind. Unless, they'll fill missions with cutscenes, cause, you know "We're not still in 1998."
?We wanted to bring him more for the modern audience of today's console market,? Cantin said. ?He's now in the game doing more action moves and that's how we wanted the costume and the suit to reflect that.?
?He's now in the game doing more action moves and that's how we wanted the costume and the suit to reflect that.?
?Time has moved on,? Narrative Director Steve Gallagher added. ?We're not still in 1998.?
?I was referring specifically to a previous Garrett design we tried out internally and not Garrett from the previous games.?
Are we to understand that the team developing Thief 4 made a gothy Garrett concept design way back in 1998 and has now finally scrapped it in favour of the more classic design because Thief 4 is a more action-oriented game than the original ones so the Gareth that never looked like the Thief 1-2 Gareth doesn?t fit the new gameplay as nicely as it would fit the classic one?
?He's now in the game doing more action moves and that's how we wanted the costume and the suit to reflect that.?
?Time has moved on,? Narrative Director Steve Gallagher added. ?We're not still in 1998.?
?I was referring specifically to a previous Garrett design we tried out internally and not Garrett from the previous games.?
Are we to understand that the team developing Thief 4 made a gothy Garrett concept design way back in 1998 and has now finally scrapped it in favour of the more classic design because Thief 4 is a more action-oriented game than the original ones so the Gareth that never looked like the Thief 1-2 Gareth doesn?t fit the new gameplay as nicely as it would fit the classic one?