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maninahat said:
God, so many to choose from. Here is my top ten in no particular order

6. Romeo and Juliet plots (lovers thwarted by their corresponding faction alignments).
see, I love that. It makes for good conflict. I hate that the couple gets their happy ending, therefore invalidating the entire homage.

As for me, I want the "interview segments" in tv to stop. It's just padding to get a 45-minute runtime. Stop it. I don't care.
Interview segments?

OT: The whole YOU ARE JUST LIKE THE BAD GUY IF YOU KILL

Would like to see someone who kills not out hatred or revengeance, but out of conscious.

"This person is highly delusional and a danger to himself and everyone around them. He needs to be stopped, period."
That is also annoying. Taking a life doesn't make you a villain. It's one of the requirements for supervillainy, sure, but not the defining factor.


So, interview segments. This occurs mostly in reality television (I like to watch cooking shows) where the reality television people are seated down and explaining what was going through their head at a certain time, their process, generally anything you could easily have a narration by the person for. But no, they have to cut away to them in a chair so we can pad out the runtime.

Reality television could get the same content in half the time without it. But they won't cut it, because it costs virtually nothing to film and edit these sequences to be part of the show, double its runtime, and therefore double the ad revenue it gets.

Like so.

http://www.foodnetwork.com/shows/cutthroat-kitchen/food-network-cutthroat-kitchen.70e1480f-60e8-4f0e-b816-c1519597f2d4.0209039.html

This show is but one example. Modern Family (a non-reality show) does it as well. The Office does it, Parks and Rec does it, it's friggin' annoying.
 

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Pre order incentives/general pre order bollocks
Leaving out content and parring it off as paid DLC so much that Game of the year editions are necessary.

I just don't buy most big western games any more. I always kick myself when they bring out the mandatory "complete edition" like the human cockroaches at activision did with Destiny. I'm currently waiting for the GOTY editions of Arkham Knight and Mortal Kombat X.

To be fair to the Japs their games are usually a lot more complete (not Capcom of course). DLC to them is usually what I consider suitable for DLC (basically extra outfits and extra characters) they don't hold huge chunks of their games story at ransom. Japanese games tend to become increasingly elusive after the first year of circulation, so I'm happy buy games like Freedom wars and dragons crown, whilst waiting for the big corporations to squirt out their Definitive/complete editions, which I can get for about £15 new on amazon a year or so after their release.
 

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My least favorite subject has to boil down to reality tv. There's the TLCs weirdos and their lives type of shows: i.e honey booboo, sister wives, Duck Dynasty, teen mom. Then the Totally Super Dangerous Job shows where, sure the job looks interesting and tough, but the endless overplay of how dangerous this ONE PARTICULAR ice road is or how THAT TREE ALMOST HIT SOMEONE gets really old really fast. And then the Tough Biker Looking Guy's Business a la Pawn Stars terrible offshoots (Hardcore Pawn etc.) Fast and Loud, OC Chopper, hell even cake boss.
 

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Poor communication - Obviously dependent on the circumstances and the level of communication technology available in whatever media I'm watching, but its incredibly frustrating to watch horrible situations occur because nobody takes five seconds to catch their breath and tell someone else important information. Especially when the show is set in modern times, where everyone's computer/laptop/phone/toaster has about twenty different ways to communicate. Fear the Walking Dead suffered from a particularly infuriating example of this, where a father had to quickly find their son who was *supposed* to be with their ex but had vanished. Did he say why it was urgent? Did she ask him why he sounded so desperate? No, they just fucking did this for the entire five minute phone conversation:

"Where's our son!?"
"You're not supposed to see him on the weekend!"
"Where's our son!?"
"You're not supposed to see him on the weekend!"
"Where's our son!?"
"You're not supposed to see him on the weekend!"
"Where's our son!?"
"You're not supposed to see him on the weekend!"
"Where's our son!?"
"You're not supposed to see him on the weekend!"

JUST FUCKING MENTION THE ZOMBIES YOU STUPID TWATS!

I have more but I can't think of any examples to support them off the top of my head, so I'll just list a few: military enemies who are staggeringly incompetent or evil for the sake of evil, female enemies who are easily forgiven or get nice "clean" deaths while male ones are graphically butchered in their droves, firearm-users that never have to reload or even hold their weapons properly, swords that slice through armour rather then being used to find the unprotected part of an enemy's body, casts of beautiful young super models who think having a bit of grime of their faces makes them fit for a post-apocalyptic or pre-modern hygiene setting....
 

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Halla Burrica said:
I can see what you mean, but I'm fairly against fiction being required to adhere to the rules of the real world.
My favourite quote in this regards (paraphrased as I can't remember the source) is "Never bring an occam's razor to a chekov's gun fight".
 

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Mine is generally an Anime only thing: Putting flashbacks/character development scenes in the middle of a fight.

I've been getting back into Anime and this has been annoying me, when they put a flash back in the middle of a fight.

For example in Attack on Titan, there's a scene where the MC wants to fight the arcs villain on his own, and his allies are trying to convince him to trust them and follow the plan. The show cuts to scene around 6 minutes or so, showing a story establishing the MC and his allies agreeing to trust each other. There's lots of moments like this in AoT and other shonen anime I've seen, Naruto is super guilty of this, and all it does is grind the pacing of the battle to a halt.

Put your character development scenes before the battle, and then have one or two lines in the MC's head calling back to those scenes during the battle. I'm sure the audience is intelligent enough to remember the character development scenes.
 

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Recusant said:
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1. Trailers trail. They follow. They come after. If the movie hasn't come out yet, you cannot release a "trailer"; there's nothing to follow yet. The movie has not yet been seen; the snippet you put out is for watching prior to watching the movie. That's why we have the word "preview". That's what you mean. Use it. You do not earn confidence by saying "we don't understand how time works".
IIRC the root word for "trail" means something like "to pull" or "to draw" in Latin, so an argument can be made that it's an appropriate word as the whole point of a trailer is to "pull in" or to "draw in" crowds, so to speak.
Or perhaps an argument can be made that people will "trail behind it" to the movie :p Language is weird!


OT: Would I be all edgy and controversial if I glibly said "white dudes"? No? That's old hat? Okay.
I guess I'll just go with general sexism, racism, and discrimination against the various LGBTQ+ denominations.
Yeah I'm tired shut up.
 

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Poor communication
Oh god yes, can't count the times I've nearly pulled my hair out because protagonists just can't spit a few simple words out.

For my part I could name a loooooooong list of things I'd like to see gone, but for escapist I'll pick one from video games; what I'd like to call "the rebel syndrome".

Yes we get it, empires are bad, corporations are bad, dictatorships are bad, yada yada yada- but the fricken "former soldier/employee turning on the system" has been done to death since star wars came out. For once, I'd like a game where I'd at least get the option to stick to the system, maybe hold some doubts, but for the love for all that is holy, don't make me join the resistance force #420123518092841.

Examples of games I'd might have actually had interest in, if this had been an option:
Syndicate(the FPS) and Call of Duty Advanced warfare. On CoDAD I could see the PMC flagged as the villain miles away, but I still really wanted to get the option to shoot the soldier trying to expose it. We kill for cash, what the hell did she expect from an office with such modus operandi? Hell, even non-standard game over that would have lasted for 5 seconds, where I chose to stay with the company would have been ok but nope. Follow the pretty face to meet luke skywalker and fight for democracy and the freedom to vote for Donald Trump.
 

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I just remembered another one that I hate.

In crime dramas like CSI, Criminal Minds and Stalker where the investigation team always save the last girl (and it is always a girl) from the clutches of the serial killer.

I am so fucking tired of this trite, predictable, shittily written cliché. They're always used and never changed. There's never, ever, a twist on this one. Even shows with supposedly "good" writing like Criminal Minds do this.

Every. Single. Fucking. Episode.

Nor does it help that they pick the whiniest and most annoying actresses for the victim roles. Maybe I'm just a sociopath in the making, but I eventually found myself screaming "Oh my GOD, just kill that fucking ***** already so that she'll shut the fuck up!".

Just once, I'd like to see the team show up too late and that the "last" victim has been killed. Because that's how it is in real life. Sometimes, killers succeed. Some final victims aren't saved. I just want to see them storm in, ready for the "Just in time!", only to find the lifeless body of the latest kidnapping victim.

I don't actually like these shows, but my mom just loves to watch them, and I sometimes sit in the living room when I study. I eventually started to make a point of going away whenever she turned the shows on because the annoyingness of the actors really got to me.

Lightspeaker said:
"Hey, Philippa, you know there's no female characters in this book?"
"What? That can't be right..."
"Seriously. What are we going to do?"
"Well we'll just stick one in. Can't hurt. Since we're sticking Legolas in lets just put the two in side-by-side."
"But what are we going to have her DO?"
"Um...well...she can fall in love with...ah...this random dwarf guy! That'll work! It'll be like Legolas and Gimli again!"
"BRILLIANT!"
I chuckled. And I'm willing to bet that that's exactly how the converstion went.
 

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I'm surprised the "liar revealed" plot device hasn't been mentioned yet. Protagonist is lying about something, but either for good reasons or he comes to like the people he's lying to. Then the lie is revealed and everyone suddenly hates him. (usually for no truly good reason.) So the plot has to be put on hold for a while to insert some stupid drama about the protagonist redeeming himself.

Another one that's INCREDIBLY prevalent in romance anime. The lack of communication to create drama through misunderstandings. "I saw my boyfriend being nice to another girl that one time, he must be cheating and not love me any more! Let's not find out what was going on but instead start avoiding him! Wah wah wah! Drama!!" "Oh wait, he was just being nice to that girl because he's a nice person? Oh silly me!" Ugh...
 

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Fallow said:
Every 'genius' being 25 years old. No buddy, that's not how the world works. There's a reason that all the experts, veterans, Nobel laureates, and Turing laureates are old and experienced.

Every super-programmer of late being 25, female, chatty/hypersocial, and dressed up like a retard/alternative combo. I have met over 3,000 programmers and not a single one of them matched anything even close to that profile. The awesome programmers are old, experienced, and calm, rational people.
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I can see what you mean, but I'm fairly against fiction being required to adhere to the rules of the real world. Not just because that would mean we couldn't have crazy future tech or conveniences, but because if we were to REALLy adhere to the real world, dialogue would also change. There would be a ton of "uuhm" between sentences, awkward pauses, stuttering, irrational or short-sighted quips going back and forth without anything really happening etc, something I don't think needs to be taken done in fiction, just because it would be more "realistic".

Also to hell with calm and rational characters, I say! What good story has ever been told were the characters were just perfect little things that never had any flaws, never messed up and never had did something wrong? Very few I gather. I'll always take characters with some spunk in them, who trip over chords and start civil wars out of petty grievances, who yell at the mailman for delivering the letters too early. That's what good drama is made out of.

That's also how I prefer to look at people in the real world. I prefer the ones with clear flaws and that make mistakes, because these are people that are imperfect and are willing to show the world just that, and don't try to cover it up or look like they're made of stone.
This is a clumsy quote because I don't have a proper mouse.

Yes, you are right in that you don't have to go 1 to 1 with reality, and in many scenarios fiction is better because of it. There's the lithe instead of massive fighter, the smart instead of strong hero (Guybrush comes to mind), the unlikely saviour (Day of the Tentacle iirc) and many many others. However, you do have to stay "close enough" to reality if you want to take the "believable/possible" road, which is what you need to do if you're aiming for a dystopic/"could be us" series (which is pretty popular these days). And that means that a 45kg blonde bombshell with dynamite boobs ain't gonna pass as the world champion in heavyweight lifting. Likewise, it means that a programmer shouldn't be as far removed as possible, personality-wise, from what an actual real-life programmer is.
 

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Generally fanatical, sociopathic, dickish or just downright crazy characters. Not so much them in entertainment themselves, but rather how people latch on to them and think they're the coolest motherfuckers ever and endlessly quote them. For example, Rorschach is not a sensible role model, neither is Tyler Durden, Jeffrey Goines, The Joker or Agent fucking Smith.

Quoting an Academy Award-nominated movie isn't remotely subversive or interesting either, piss off.

A little more on-topic, sitcom characters living unfeasibly nice lives whilst working shit jobs. How the fuck does Penny in TBBT have such a nice apartment? How do characters 'bad with the ladies' have even more sex in a year than your mum Casanova?
 

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How the fuck does Penny in TBBT have such a nice apartment? How do characters 'bad with the ladies' have even more sex in a year than your mum Casanova?
I believe the answer to both is "prostitution".

On topic: another I'll add for myself is a character who has crossed the line having that deed basically forgotten by everyone. A good example is Loki, who in the MCU was in a pretty nice and comfortable cell for his crime of attempted genocide, killing hundreds directly and being accessory to thousands more, especially when the people in the cells around him, which where in much worst condition, had likely not done anything as bad as he had collectively amongst themselves. Also, pretty much 100% of "law enforcement using criminals to help them solve crimes" situations. Yes, it happens in real life, but it isn't with people responsible for triple homicide or taking down the nation's power grid.

Also, hacking into NORAD or some other military facility with a closed system. I don't care what any fiction writer has to say on the matter, unless you have someone on the inside doing it, there is literally no way to hack into something like NORAD. There is no connection to the outside world for that to happen through.

And connected to that is internet connected nukes. This seems to be in pretty much every story which has nuclear war or the threat of it as its core for some inexplicable reason. From Terminator to Jericho to Avengers and beyond, everyone seems to not be aware of the fact that nuclear launch facilities are disconnected from the world specifically to make hacking into them impossible, and that their systems are analogue. I don't care how fancy your military supercomputer gone rogue is, it can't use hacking to make two keys physically turn and then manually impute a series of numbers into an all-analogue system.
 

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Legomaniac91 said:
The best counterpoint to the "Chosen Hero" trope is Anakin Skywalker. He was rash, impulsive, violent, and power hungry, yet the Jedi council was dead certain he would be their savior by "bringing balance to the force." And he did, by ending the reign of the light side so the Sith could rule the galaxy.
That's actually incorrect; he didn't bring balance to the Force by killing all the Jedi. George has explicitly said that Anakin is the Chosen One even when he becomes Vader, and his redemption (and killing the Emperor) fulfills the prophecy by destroying the last two Sith remaining (himself and the Emperor).

Tuesday Night Fever said:
I can't stand the over-reliance on CGI in movies these days. It almost always looks like crap, unless the filmmaker is able to throw enough money to match the GDPs of several small countries combined at a studio (and even then, the studios that do the CGI for movies often don't actually make enough of a profit from their work and immediately go under). Physical effects like those done by Stan Winston's team still look great like 30 years later (while also being comparatively dirt cheap), meanwhile CGI from 5 years ago already tends to look laughable - even when it's the particularly expensive sort. And the sad thing is that there are fewer and fewer people in the industry each year who are actually good at doing practical effects like those done by Stan Winston's team because demand is so low.

I don't mind CGI when it's used to enhance a physical effect. I think it was in the commentary track for the 1999 SciFi movie Virus that director John Bruno mentioned that they intentionally mixed practical effects and computer effects to create the movie's main villain so that viewers' eyes would have a difficult time distinguishing what part of the effect was really there and what part was CGI. The movie was, admittedly, pretty forgettable - but I've always liked that particular method of using computer generated effects. It certainly ages better than, say, the Star Wars: Episode 1: The Phantom Menace method of shooting pretty much everything in front of a green screen.
Episode I actually had a lot more practical stuff than you think, there's a message board that shows set photos from the prequels (http://boards.theforce.net/threads/practical-effects-in-the-prequels-sets-pictures-models-etc.50017310/).

You should also watch this, it's very informative:
 

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it looks less like groups of teenaged computer prodigies typing into terminals at a million WPM and more like groups of people spending hours poring over datasheets and cryptography textbooks.
Actually sometimes not even that.



(Comic: SMBC)

Actual "hackers" use social engineering if they can. Why slave away over datasheets and long lines of code when you can simply make some probably clueless intern think you're the manager? ;)

Happyninja42 said:
I'd like to see them stop always using artificial intelligence as the badguy. Seriously, every fucking movie that has it in it, they're trying to kill humanity. If they don't do the Ultron "I've done the math, and Humanity must die" angle, then they're an AI that started out as a war machine, and everyone is afraid of them because of that, just like SHort Circuit and Chappie. The only AI movie that didn't do this angle, was A.I. And it still had the "humans hate the robots" shit.

I also get fucking sick of the "he messed in God's domain" bullshit, for movies like Transcendence, or Lawnmower man, and other similar movies. Yes, please, let's further misrepresent technological advancement, and ALWAYS color it in the paint of fear and ignorance, planting the seeds in the common person brain that scientific discovery is evil, and we'd all be better if we just lived on a fucking farm. That good old "down to earth" lifestyle bullshit.
Although Full Metal Bolshevik did recommend some good stuff, I HIGHLY recommend playing The Talos Principle. I think it's perfectly what you're looking for.
 

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Oh man, that actually reminds me of a fun character from a book series I like.

Thandi Palane is character in the Honorverse (the various side-stories and spin-offs from the original Honor Harrington book series). She lives in the year... I think it's like 4018 or something like that, and she's from a planet with such high gravity and such harsh conditions that humans from there are basically superhuman just to survive. Thandi is a hair over seven feet tall, and she's actually quite a bit stronger than she looks because her homeworld has like 40% higher gravity than Earth's. Physically, she's one of the most lethal characters in the series.

But yeah, she winds up falling in love with Victor Cachat (basically an elite covert operative for another nation in the series) who is described as, well, supremely average and unassuming... and it turns out that she's a total submissive in bed. Honestly, they're just a cute couple. Almost total opposites physically, but they're just super into each other. Watching a woman that could rip off a car door with her bare hands being gentle, or even goofy, with her significant other is cute as heck.

Honestly the Honor Harrington series is just chock-full of amazingly capable female characters, for that matter.
Thandi is from Ndebele a place that started getting genetic modification very late compared to other worlds, so a great deal of their superior strength comes from adaptation over generations. Another thing is that Ndebele a low light world, so most of the people who have long term familial roots there are very pale. The issue is that as a natural selection adaptation people from the Mfecane worlds tend to be extremely bone and muscle dense, to the point where they have no buoyancy, making them unable to float or swim in water. Strangely genetically modified highgrav people tend to be able to swim, like Honor who is a Meyerdahl Beta, or San Martinios who are adapted to live on a 2.7G world, the heaviest inhabited world in the known Honoverse.

OT: On the subject of badass women I have one trope that really grates on me, especially any more. The girl power and badass women trope in general has gotten really irritating in some respects. Girl power is one that just irks me, because it makes any and all female characters in the property it's used in automatically superior to any male character. Thus any male character has not only to be less able than female characters, but he also has to be stupid and ineffective to the point of being reduced to comic relief at best. Then there is the stain of thought where the girl power girl has to be one of the guys, but she's also still looked down on for being female, thus has to work harder to prove herself, thus is better at everything than any of the guys. I hate that, no single person is so great at everything that they beat everyone else at everything, but it's especially irritating when it's done just because the character in question is female.

This brings me to the badass female character trope, which has the tendency to have one of three back stories; a sad underprivileged past, Massimo personal tragedy, drive to prove one's self because of gender, or some combination of those. Why can't a badass female character ever just be badass because she's talented, or gifted? Why does it always have to be because of some past event that makes them need to work superduper hard. A side part of this is that it often comes at the exclusion of badass male character, the badass female always has to dominate the story, her struggles have hammered into us with the subtly of a pile and pile driver combination. When there is a badass male then the badass female exists as the counter point to the fact that there is a male badass. Why can't we just have talented badasses who are talented, skilled, or gifted, for reasons other than tragic history? Why do we always have to have a female whose badass to be a counterpoint to a badass male, or to make men in general look evil, or/and stupid? Seriously it's lazy "gender war" writing and it's stupid as hell.

Here is one of the big reasons I love the Honoverse, the vast majority of characters are badasses, but they're badasses because they worked for it. They don't all have tragic pasts, or societal disadvantages that force them to prove themselves constantly. They're just hard working people, who have pride in the things that they do, so they work hard as a measure of personal pride. None of this personal tragedy rigimorole which generally makes people adopt a victim complex, or the "I'm gonna prove myself because I'm [insert underprivileged group label]", bs character arc.
 

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series non-endings.
I hope you don't mean an ending like Soprano's, because I thoroughly enjoyed that. It didn't come to a clumsy forced stop like so many others.

For me, I want animes to stop using extremely awkward scenes. I mean it make sense if the point of the anime is a socially disconnected person, but if the point of the anime is robo-pilots killing invading aliens because it's awesome then great, do that, that doesn't require the main character accidentally groping his crush then being super awkward around her for the next season.
 

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GrumbleGrump said:
Happyninja42 said:
I'd like to see them stop always using artificial intelligence as the badguy. Seriously, every fucking movie that has it in it, they're trying to kill humanity. If they don't do the Ultron "I've done the math, and Humanity must die" angle, then they're an AI that started out as a war machine, and everyone is afraid of them because of that, just like SHort Circuit and Chappie. The only AI movie that didn't do this angle, was A.I. And it still had the "humans hate the robots" shit.

I also get fucking sick of the "he messed in God's domain" bullshit, for movies like Transcendence, or Lawnmower man, and other similar movies. Yes, please, let's further misrepresent technological advancement, and ALWAYS color it in the paint of fear and ignorance, planting the seeds in the common person brain that scientific discovery is evil, and we'd all be better if we just lived on a fucking farm. That good old "down to earth" lifestyle bullshit.
This always made noise in head. Why the fucking hell would a perfectly logical intelligence try to destroy humanity? Wouldn't it be easier to leave? The only fiction that has really dealt with this properly is Mass Effect, since the Geth stopped chasing the Quarians when they weren't a threat anymore. Don't even get me started on the "technology being bad" thing.
It was actually done rather brilliantly in WarGames. The antagonist of the film was a military program in the Pentagon explicitly designed to run simulations and calculate responses. Problem is that it doesn't know that there's a difference between simulations and reality, so when a kid hacks into the computer and starts playing Global Thermonuclear War as the Soviet Union, guess what the Pentagon starts seeing on its screens? And as it doesn't distinguish between reality and fantasy, it starts trying to provoke the Pentagon to act in accordance with its battle plan to win the game. It's beautiful, really. The AI isn't malevolent, and its actions fall exactly in line with what it was programmed to do, it just doesn't understand some key concepts that are self-evident to us humans.
 

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I'll add 3:
First using TERRORISM ironically, like when the hero goes against the army and is branded a terrorist for some bizzare reason, not only it's not using the correct definition, it actively hurts people in the real world by lessening it's severity.

I'll get flak for this, fandoms loving a character for being LGBT or "stong independant woman" or the like and nothing else, yeah we get it, there aren't enough depictions of them in media, but it can be a block of wood but because it's one of the above it will branded "best character ever!1" rather then being an actual well written character.

While I'm on the subject, loving and hating films for politics, more specifically the person's politics, it's quite literally the death of culture and it doesn't seem to stop.
Female and LGBT characters aren't loved just for their gender or orientation presentation. Name one character that you think falls into that category and I'm sure their fans will come up with a list of reason for why they like them.
 

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Lightknight said:
The big reveal being, "*GASP* It's a woman!!?" The motorcyclist pulling the helmet off to reveal long hair and such. It's WAY too overdone and assumes sexism on the audience's part.

Also, the big reveal being, "*GASP* They're gay together!!?" So what? It's 2015, they can even marry now. Gay people aren't unicorns or magic. They are relatively commonplace to a reveal that a dude loves another dude also assumes naivety in the audience and has been done so frequently recently as to have been made boring.

It just feels like these are being made for grandparents and maybe our parents rather than the supposedly all important 17-40 age group.
I get what you're saying but the truth is that white, cis, hetero male is still considered the default in fiction. This isn't just a problem for the "grandparents" generation but even the current one. Yes women and gay people exist but they're rarely if ever allowed to be the protagonists let alone characters of any real importance besides love interest or sidekick.

Anyway, I'd like to see less love triangles and characters hiding things from others, especially love interests.

Supposedly human characters shrugging of injuries that would at least leave you bedridden for life.