This scare the shit out of anyone else?

[Kadoodle]

So, Osama, Ok death of a international hate figure aside etc etc if anyone deserved it he did and so on, thats not what worries me. (although isnt it a bit odd how the US can stroll into a country and execute who they like?)

The troubling thing is this

and

Spoiler: this

and to be honest, this [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/editorials/editors_note/8844-Editors-Note-Better-Than-Before] as well which is what prompted this thread.

And this is happening all over the US, people are actively celebrating killing a guy? Does that not seem a bit medieval to anyone else? When people turn out in their thousands to celebrate something like this it justs worries me like hell.

Anyone else? Or are you all patriotic Americans and whatnot?

So, Osama, Ok death of a international hate figure aside etc etc if anyone deserved it he did and so on, thats not what worries me. (although isnt it a bit odd how the US can stroll into a country and execute who they like?)




The troubling thing is this

and

Spoiler: this

and to be honest, this [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/editorials/editors_note/8844-Editors-Note-Better-Than-Before] as well which is what prompted this thread.

And this is happening all over the US, people are actively celebrating killing a guy? Does that not seem a bit medieval to anyone else? When people turn out in their thousands to celebrate something like this it justs worries me like hell.

Anyone else? Or are you all patriotic Americans and whatnot?

Because this man murdered our people. Because the fucker ran one of the most notorious terrorist organizations to date. Because we got our well deserved revenge on a man who deserved nothing more than a bullet. For me, I'm glad that he didn't just die of old age.
Now I'm no patriot. I'm not proud of many things my country has done. But, damn, does justice feel sweet. One could compare it to a holocaust survivor watching the Nuremberg trials.

If anything, the death is symbolic. There we were, one of the strongest countries in the world, when suddenly the world trade center, one of the tallest buildings in the world (at the time), a building that represented our achievements, was torn to shreds by a group of people who want us wiped off the planet. So, now that Bin Laden is dead, we can finally feel that 'you can hurt us, but you won't escape.' It's a feeling of power, really.

 

[garfoldsomeoneelse]

But if Islamic forces somehow assassinated Obama, and then their country, instead of condemning this rather underhand, undiplomatic way of doing things, celebrated in the streets, what would your reaction be?

A complete and utter lack of surprise.​

Americans are stupid, stupid people like this sort of thing. He probably wasn't such a bad guy, it's more likely that the U.S. had some involvement in 9/11 and just wanted the general population to support going to war and going a long with whatever they proposed.

If only those stupid, stupid Americans could live up to your level of class.

 

[Wicky_42]

You celebrate when you've won, not when you kill a figurehead. Have a happy drink with some friends after work maybe, sure, but partying in the streets is taking it too far.

It's still good news and for some families of the murdered it could mean closure.

I'm happy knowing that the guy behind 9/11 can't do anything anymore.

Woo, yeah! Bad man assassinated! Street party!

Tell me, do you do that for every murderer, rapist, serial killer etc etc? No, only the big guys? What about Saddam Hussein? Was there a street party when he was hanged - after all, you were formally at war with him? Still not seeing how 'closure' (eye for an eye? How very mature and civilised) warrants street parties.

 

[AngelOfBlueRoses]

Yeah, all these celebrations make me upset aswell. I would celebrate an end of a war, but not the killing of a man no matter how evil. These celebrations makes me see most of America as hypocrites, full of wanna-be faithful, but once again evil as the man they've killed. Also lol at the hand with peace symbol there, that's just pathetic...

I may not be celebrating the death of Osama with anything more than somberness, but this right here? Don't take a pathetic moral high ground if you don't understand the situation.

Here's a little perspective: It's been a very bitter decade. With war after war and the recession hitting the world hard, there's finally a scrap of good news. As a generation, our maturation has been put on pause fueled by an after-911 setting of paranoia and fear. Most of the people who have been celebrating were barely eight-to-twelve at the time of this 9/11 happening and for most, they've never heard of anything more terrible before in their so-far short lives. It was seared into their memory and had such a profound effect. For those who weren't children at the time, it brought them together and united a country that at times is at constant arguing with itself, one half against another. It brought a sense of unity for them that lasted longer for some rather than others, but it still brought them together, even through grief.

In the wake of all of this bad news that has been compounding and piling on top of us for the past decade, people finally got some good news to celebrate over that wasn't just another "WOO, Superbowl!" They're not celebrating the death of a man; they're celebrating their relief that things might slowly be able to turn back to normal. Whether this is a naive view is up for debate, but that's beside the point.

I'm not celebrating the death of Osama, but after having been given this perspective on the situation I believe calling out "hypocrite" and "pathetic!" is founded in ignorance.

Your view is right, but from my point of view, when I am not US citizen, when in my country we celebrate these releavance occassions silently, this seems not right, yes someone accepts it as an starting end to a war, but it's not the end itself, also US wasn't reppressed, it wasn't colonised or attacked by a whole country, decade of this war seems nothing compared to soviets and their consentration camps, nazis and camps of theirs, and soviets actally was worse, except world was ignorant to this

Well, then let's do each other a favor and not call someone pathetic for differing cultures, yeah? I don't know where you're from, but many countries had many, many violent celebrations in their traditions that to this day are only barely fading away from the public's attention. Britain has a few like these that used to be absolutely filled with hatred.

I did not say it was the end itself. Nobody said that. Nobody's saying that. That's just silly.

Nor did I say that the US was repressed at all. Where in the world did I say that and how is it relevant? The "Well, someone else had it worse" is a weak argument that is pointless because there'll always be someone else whose had it worse. (Also, the soviets didn't have it the worst.)

 

[Lonan]

Why should it scare people? The US is a country based on revenge. This wasnt about a war on terror. This was about getting the guy, and we did.

Besides, its just a bunch of drunks chanting USA USA USA!

I'll tell you what scares me. When the Canadians bad mouth America while they're in America. I'm scared for the guys, they may not make it back over the border.

I would be more scared if they didn't have the courage to do so, and only bad-mouthed from the safety of Canada. I would also be rather disgusted.

well... I'm thinking of very specific cases like where Canadians decide to boo our national anthem while they're in our country, even when Americans have the courtesy to be respectful during Oh Canada.

Or when a Canadian said something about how the American Health Care system sucks (which, some parts do), and Universal Health care had no faults whatsoever and continued to ride it. I dont know why that argument bothers me, but it always does when the conversation between private and universal comes up.

When you said bad mouth, I assumed that meant general insults without much content. As for booing O Canada, this was done by Americans, which creates hatred. Also, if you've ever read youtube comments and some even on this website, its clear that many Americans have enormous anti-Canadian sentiment. I fully recognise that many do not have such sentiments, but my point is that any Canadian anti-American sentiment comes directly from American anti-Canadian sentiment. I'm not saying its right to go over the border and do that, but I am saying its not surprising.

As for criticisms of healthcare in the U.S. without recognising the flaws in healthcare across Canada, much the same could be said of those who attack "Canada's socialised medicine." If someone is saying that "the American Health Care system sucks," I really don't consider such broad strokes to be a serious argument, and would disregard it. I understand if you get defensive (not saying you are) when what is essentially an insult is made about American health care, and admit I get defensive when Americans refer to "Canadian socialised medicine," or at least it grates on my nerves.

As for people mindlessly attacking American health care, we have a lot of socialists. I find them infuriating, and believe me, they don't just insult Americans. They also insult Albertans (like me) for being what they call "the Texas of Canada," which is essentially simultaneously calling Albertans too American (and calling that something bad and to be avoided) while clearly being obsessed with said country enough to have determined that 1 of 50 potential states is the worst and an analogy for idiocy and bigotry, in other words, "rednecks."

They were shocked to learn that we elected a Muslim mayor in Calgary because they believed us to be Redneck bigots. This is a historical look at anti-Alberta bigotry from the New York Times. http://www.nytimes.com/1987/03/15/world/a-boom-over-calgary-casts-eye-to-future.html

Look up the NEP and CBC and the Eastern media during the NEP to learn the extent of Eastern, socialist bigotry. And as a disclaimer, not all Eastern Canadians are anti-Western bigots, but there certainly are some.

 

[Vault boy Eddie]

*Snip*

When the towers fell, the first thing they showed was reaction around the world. And i'll never forget seeing people in various Muslim countries celebrating in the streets and burning american flags. People were chanting USA, singing the national anthem and god bless america, I didn't see anyone burning the flags of Muslim countries and other stuff like that. So to answer your question, there was nothing wrong with what they did in the slightest.

 

[Chimichanga]

Once again, this an 'America-specific' event. It's not so much that we're jubilant over killing some guy ("some guy" as an understatement), but that we're feeling celebratory over finally getting the justice we've been seeking for an entire decade. Everything since 9/11, the wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, and the "global War on Terror" (I agree, such a stupid pretext), I feel were all just underlying subtext for the simple desire to mete out justice to the man we hold responsible for the 2,000 dead on 9/11. Sure, we're aware that it solves nothing; terrorism will continue to present itself in the near future, international relations still lie in ruin, and we're still trillions of dollars in debt.

A Pyhrric victory? Indeed - but a victory nonetheless and the only victory, in truth, we ever really wanted all along.

As we see it, this was the man who opened up the new millennium (2001, the year after - I know, but I still considered the 2000's as 'new') with death and fiscal collapse. He's the sole reason we've gotten into these wars with these third-world wastelands - to hunt him down wherever he hides and to eradicate all who hide him. Ten years of hunting, ten years of having to deal with uncooperative nations and governments in our long drawn-out manhunt have made revenge even more appealing.

Perhaps now we can move on - perhaps the stigma of the attacks from ten years ago will fade now that we've been reassured that he has paid for his crimes.

If Europeans still don't understand - imagine after WWII that Erwin Rommel, the guy behind the Luftwaffe and thus the London bombings had been on the run from being tried at Nuremberg for a decade and then one day in the 1950s, out of the blue the SAS reports that they've gunned him down. If you tell me that with the time and context that you would have been completely indifferent, I'd accuse you of either being ignorant or trying very hard and in vain to seem cool and 'non-conformist'.

We're not asking you to celebrate with us - I understand that nobody else in the world really gives a shit about Bin Laden, but for us, this is a much more effective symbolic victory.

 

[Cuppa Tetleys]

Although I understand the significance of Bin Laden's death, do people really think that this will end all terrorism? Is that why they are celebrating? Or is it because America finally got revenge on the guy that killed all those people?

For me, it's clearly the latter, and although I believe it is a positive step forward by eliminating the head of a terrorist group - is all this really necessary? To begin cheering and marching in the streets about the death of man you know 3 things about; celebrating murder.

And what does this mean for the rest of the world? Is America now, effectively, allowed to go into any country they want and assassinate anyone they don't like because it excites such elation in the public?

All that can be said is that it's a morally grey area. My opinion is that it's a great step forward, but the reaction was juvenile and undeserved.

 

[ImSkeletor]

I find it a bit funny how a majority of Americans were totally shocked and pissed off when Al-Qadea and the other Anti-American's were celebrating in the streets and stuff when the 9/11 happened, yet they find themselves doing the EXACT SAME THING.

I'm actually suprised that they didn't bring Osama's body back and parade him around the streets with they amount of joy those people are showing.

There is a bit of a difference between the celebrating the murder of THOUSANDS of innocent people and celebrating the death of a guy who killed THOSE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE.

 

[Dense_Electric]

You celebrate when you've won, not when you kill a figurehead. Have a happy drink with some friends after work maybe, sure, but partying in the streets is taking it too far.

It's still good news and for some families of the murdered it could mean closure.

I'm happy knowing that the guy behind 9/11 can't do anything anymore.

Woo, yeah! Bad man assassinated! Street party!

Tell me, do you do that for every murderer, rapist, serial killer etc etc? No, only the big guys? What about Saddam Hussein? Was there a street party when he was hanged - after all, you were formally at war with him?

Saddam didn't come over here unprovoked and deliberately kill 3000 civilians.

Still not seeing how 'closure' (eye for an eye? How very mature and civilised) warrants street parties.

Oh, you get to decide what is and isn't mature and civilized now? Sorry, must have missed the memo.

I'm guessing no one ever knocked down the tallest building in your country and killed a bunch of your civilians (possibly ones you knew). If you honestly say you wouldn't be at least a little upbeat when the guy who caused it was killed you're a liar.

Seriously, some of you guys are practically defending bin Laden. Why don't you join Al-Quedia if you guys love him so much? They're thrilled to take double-agents.

EDIT:

I find it a bit funny how a majority of Americans were totally shocked and pissed off when Al-Qadea and the other Anti-American's were celebrating in the streets and stuff when the 9/11 happened, yet they find themselves doing the EXACT SAME THING.

I'm actually suprised that they didn't bring Osama's body back and parade him around the streets with they amount of joy those people are showing.

There is a bit of a difference between the celebrating the murder of THOUSANDS of innocent people and celebrating the death of a guy who killed THOSE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE.

Also listen to this guy, he speaks the truth.

 

[Nickompoop]

I remember Moviebob saying something about why people like zombie stories so much (books and movies):

"I think we love zombies because we hate each other. Think about it: we all hate somebody. Even if you lie to yourself and say, 'I don't hate anyone' just think of all the people everyday who annoy you, bother you, get in your way or just plain piss you off. Well, everybody's private hate, annoy, bother, get in the way, piss me off list has one thing in common: they're all people."

I think it sums it up quite nicely. It's not medieval--we just hate Osama with a passion.

 

[Bobic]

If it's ok for the munchkins to sing 'ding dong, the witch is dead', it's ok for Americans to celebrate now.

 

[pliusmannn]

Yeah, all these celebrations make me upset aswell. I would celebrate an end of a war, but not the killing of a man no matter how evil. These celebrations makes me see most of America as hypocrites, full of wanna-be faithful, but once again evil as the man they've killed. Also lol at the hand with peace symbol there, that's just pathetic...

I may not be celebrating the death of Osama with anything more than somberness, but this right here? Don't take a pathetic moral high ground if you don't understand the situation.

Here's a little perspective: It's been a very bitter decade. With war after war and the recession hitting the world hard, there's finally a scrap of good news. As a generation, our maturation has been put on pause fueled by an after-911 setting of paranoia and fear. Most of the people who have been celebrating were barely eight-to-twelve at the time of this 9/11 happening and for most, they've never heard of anything more terrible before in their so-far short lives. It was seared into their memory and had such a profound effect. For those who weren't children at the time, it brought them together and united a country that at times is at constant arguing with itself, one half against another. It brought a sense of unity for them that lasted longer for some rather than others, but it still brought them together, even through grief.

In the wake of all of this bad news that has been compounding and piling on top of us for the past decade, people finally got some good news to celebrate over that wasn't just another "WOO, Superbowl!" They're not celebrating the death of a man; they're celebrating their relief that things might slowly be able to turn back to normal. Whether this is a naive view is up for debate, but that's beside the point.

I'm not celebrating the death of Osama, but after having been given this perspective on the situation I believe calling out "hypocrite" and "pathetic!" is founded in ignorance.

Your view is right, but from my point of view, when I am not US citizen, when in my country we celebrate these releavance occassions silently, this seems not right, yes someone accepts it as an starting end to a war, but it's not the end itself, also US wasn't reppressed, it wasn't colonised or attacked by a whole country, decade of this war seems nothing compared to soviets and their consentration camps, nazis and camps of theirs, and soviets actally was worse, except world was ignorant to this

Well, then let's do each other a favor and not call someone pathetic for differing cultures, yeah? I don't know where you're from, but many countries had many, many violent celebrations in their traditions that to this day are only barely fading away from the public's attention. Britain has a few like these that used to be absolutely filled with hatred.

I did not say it was the end itself. Nobody said that. Nobody's saying that. That's just silly.

Nor did I say that the US was repressed at all. Where in the world did I say that and how is it relevant? The "Well, someone else had it worse" is a weak argument that is pointless because there'll always be someone else whose had it worse. (Also, the soviets didn't have it the worst.)

To clear my view, I say that silent celebration is more wise. If we are looking forward then we must have to put end to barbaric celebrations of death. Also soviets didn't have bad at all, what i say, those who were repressed by soviets had maybe worst time, even yewish wasn't treated like ukrainians, or people from baltics. Sure there's every time "we had it worse than you" talk, I don't say it's wise and I'm not considering myself wise, my point is, if we talk about peace, then we must talk about respect too, and violent loud celebrations is not ever in a shadow of any kind of respect. If humanity would ever hit adulthood, we won't see celebrations as this one, or any other like this.

 

[OG-Original Gamer]

I heard that he hid behind one of his wives as he was shot. It's hard not to hate such a man, a coward who would ask others to commit suicide for his cause. Is it right to celebrate his death? No. But neither were the bastard's actions in life. This man got what was coming to him, and the celebrating afterward is more humiliation of a man that deserves it, whether it was right of us to dish it out or not.

Medieval? Yes, a bit. But it appears we haven't evolved our base instincts much over time, especially the one that controls our thirst for vengeance. I can't say I blame the Americans that did this, and frankly that's one less evil bastard in the world to deal with.

Seriously? You 'heard'? Mate, try not to believe in everything you hear. For all his shortcomings, Bin Laden was a polite, quietly-spoken man. He wasn't the 'evil bastard' or the coward that you perceive him to be. He was just a man who believed in a cause. While I don't condone his kind of extremism (no one should), you reaction is more than a little over the top.
And for the record, the Americans are being overly patriotic and just a little bit silly if they are celebrating a man's death. Not only is this fairly disgusting in principle, but they are jubilant when this 'war on terror' is nowhere near from over. It will never be won, it can't be. And I think you should all save your relief for after any seriously repercussions that could quite possibly occur following Osama Bin Laden's death.

You are a deeply confused person, and that you are unable to detect the most blatant expression of pure viciousness and savagery to be displayed in modern times reflects that delusion.

Your basic premise is along the lines of "Well Hitler was a brutal killer of innocent people, but he was very nice to his dog". Bin Laden was not just a man who had become mired in some sort of insane ideological pit, he then allowed his megalomania to convince him that he was somehow entitled to murder anyone who disagreed with him.

It's also worth mentioning that, while his minions all over the world live in squalor and are frequently captured and killed, he sat on his boney ass in a luxury pad in Pakistan for the last six years. He was not living the life his lesser murderers experienced at all. He was a fraud.

It would require an extraordinary effort to locate any trait in this bucket of excrement worthy of praise - to do so says much more about you than it does about Bin Laden.

 

[Lord Kloo]

I don't really care if he's alive or dead but please after a decade of terrorism I'm bored..

Can we go back to worrying about the now non-existent communism and nuclear war..

 

[ShakyFiend]

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Yeah you really make it sound like spite, I thought vengeance was something toddler's did after you stole their sweets? I know the whole of America has a superiority complex but really is this actually necessary? Its just infantile.

If only those stupid, stupid Americans could live up to your level of class.

Dont quite get the point your making, but hey, check what your avatar has to say on the subject

He's the sole reason we've gotten into these wars with these third-world wastelands - to hunt him down wherever he hides and to eradicate all who hide him. Ten years of hunting, ten years of having to deal with uncooperative nations and governments in our long drawn-out manhunt have made revenge even more appealing.

You laid waste to several countries, ruined thousands of lives, killed countless soldiers, destroyed your international reputation so you could sneak into an old man's compound and shoot him? This seems a rather blythe and thoughtless dismissal of ten years of warfare dont you think.

 

[SovietSecrets]

Nope doesn't scare me at all. I'm more afraid of what happens next. Though of course after reading through some of the posts this thread has already turned into HURR AMERICA SUCKS or HURR AMERICA IS GREAT. Sigh, idiots, most of you here.