This scare the shit out of anyone else?

[dkyros]

People like it when assholes die. Just how life is. The bigger the asshole the more noticeable it is that people disliked him.

 

[garfoldsomeoneelse]

If only those stupid, stupid Americans could live up to your level of class.

Dont quite get the point your making, but hey, check what your avatar has to say on the subject

That part was actually directed at the other post I quoted in that reply.

 

[AngelOfBlueRoses]

Yeah, all these celebrations make me upset aswell. I would celebrate an end of a war, but not the killing of a man no matter how evil. These celebrations makes me see most of America as hypocrites, full of wanna-be faithful, but once again evil as the man they've killed. Also lol at the hand with peace symbol there, that's just pathetic...

I may not be celebrating the death of Osama with anything more than somberness, but this right here? Don't take a pathetic moral high ground if you don't understand the situation.

Here's a little perspective: It's been a very bitter decade. With war after war and the recession hitting the world hard, there's finally a scrap of good news. As a generation, our maturation has been put on pause fueled by an after-911 setting of paranoia and fear. Most of the people who have been celebrating were barely eight-to-twelve at the time of this 9/11 happening and for most, they've never heard of anything more terrible before in their so-far short lives. It was seared into their memory and had such a profound effect. For those who weren't children at the time, it brought them together and united a country that at times is at constant arguing with itself, one half against another. It brought a sense of unity for them that lasted longer for some rather than others, but it still brought them together, even through grief.

In the wake of all of this bad news that has been compounding and piling on top of us for the past decade, people finally got some good news to celebrate over that wasn't just another "WOO, Superbowl!" They're not celebrating the death of a man; they're celebrating their relief that things might slowly be able to turn back to normal. Whether this is a naive view is up for debate, but that's beside the point.

I'm not celebrating the death of Osama, but after having been given this perspective on the situation I believe calling out "hypocrite" and "pathetic!" is founded in ignorance.

Your view is right, but from my point of view, when I am not US citizen, when in my country we celebrate these releavance occassions silently, this seems not right, yes someone accepts it as an starting end to a war, but it's not the end itself, also US wasn't reppressed, it wasn't colonised or attacked by a whole country, decade of this war seems nothing compared to soviets and their consentration camps, nazis and camps of theirs, and soviets actally was worse, except world was ignorant to this

Well, then let's do each other a favor and not call someone pathetic for differing cultures, yeah? I don't know where you're from, but many countries had many, many violent celebrations in their traditions that to this day are only barely fading away from the public's attention. Britain has a few like these that used to be absolutely filled with hatred.

I did not say it was the end itself. Nobody said that. Nobody's saying that. That's just silly.

Nor did I say that the US was repressed at all. Where in the world did I say that and how is it relevant? The "Well, someone else had it worse" is a weak argument that is pointless because there'll always be someone else whose had it worse. (Also, the soviets didn't have it the worst.)

To clear my view, I say that silent celebration is more wise. If we are looking forward then we must have to put end to barbaric celebrations of death. Also soviets didn't have bad at all, what i say, those who were repressed by soviets had maybe worst time, even yewish wasn't treated like ukrainians, or people from baltics. Sure there's every time "we had it worse than you" talk, I don't say it's wise and I'm not considering myself wise, my point is, if we talk about peace, then we must talk about respect too, and violent loud celebrations is not ever in a shadow of any kind of respect. If humanity would ever hit adulthood, we won't see celebrations as this one, or any other like this.

Yes, I know. That's why I'm not out there celebrating by getting drunk and chanting "USA! USA! USA!" I'm treating the situation somberly and respectfully. And while I like that you're treating it silently, calling those who don't "Pathetic" and "Hypocrites" when it isn't hypocritical and they aren't pathetic is no wiser than they are. Nor is it respectful at all. So, if you really are preaching respect, then preach respect, but don't come off as an ass at the same time.

 

[Dogstile]

Not really. I brought this up in college today (British college, so the reactions pretty much expected).

I asked them what they thought of the Americans celebrating in the streets. I got a unanimous reply of "Bellends, he's one guy".

I think its just silly. Its changed nothing

 

[Chimichanga]

You laid waste to several countries, ruined thousands of lives, killed countless soldiers, destroyed your international reputation so you could sneak into an old man's compound and shoot him? This seems a rather blythe and thoughtless dismissal of ten years of warfare dont you think.

You make it sound like I said I supported it (which I didn't; on the contrary I was on the opposing side against war in the Middle East). I meant to convey that a lot of time, effort, and blood was spent to get him. I thought it was very obvious when I said at the bottom of the paragraph, "A Pyhrric victory? Indeed...". Improve your reading comprehension; you come across as angsty. Especially when you down-play the visionary and tactical mastermind behind most of the Al-Qaeda terrorist organization as simply "some old man".

 

[emeraldrafael]

Snip

All I know is we dont do it at Pens games, but then again, most of our talent is Canadian.

 

[Olofelefant]

The fact is, we haven't had a whole lot to celebrate as a country recently. We've been looking for this guy for 10 years and we finally finished the job. Let us revel in it a little, get a little bit of closure for 9/11 and I promise we'll all go back to painting in the lines and feigning civility. Yes we're celebrating a death, but it's the death of the most infamous terrorist in recent history.

If this "scares" you, you're misinterpreting the situation.

also what the hell, captcha:

The captcha looks like a incantation to summon Cthulu.

OT: I can totally see where you're coming from. So have your moment of happiness after these ten long years.

 

[pliusmannn]

Yeah, all these celebrations make me upset aswell. I would celebrate an end of a war, but not the killing of a man no matter how evil. These celebrations makes me see most of America as hypocrites, full of wanna-be faithful, but once again evil as the man they've killed. Also lol at the hand with peace symbol there, that's just pathetic...

I may not be celebrating the death of Osama with anything more than somberness, but this right here? Don't take a pathetic moral high ground if you don't understand the situation.

Here's a little perspective: It's been a very bitter decade. With war after war and the recession hitting the world hard, there's finally a scrap of good news. As a generation, our maturation has been put on pause fueled by an after-911 setting of paranoia and fear. Most of the people who have been celebrating were barely eight-to-twelve at the time of this 9/11 happening and for most, they've never heard of anything more terrible before in their so-far short lives. It was seared into their memory and had such a profound effect. For those who weren't children at the time, it brought them together and united a country that at times is at constant arguing with itself, one half against another. It brought a sense of unity for them that lasted longer for some rather than others, but it still brought them together, even through grief.

In the wake of all of this bad news that has been compounding and piling on top of us for the past decade, people finally got some good news to celebrate over that wasn't just another "WOO, Superbowl!" They're not celebrating the death of a man; they're celebrating their relief that things might slowly be able to turn back to normal. Whether this is a naive view is up for debate, but that's beside the point.

I'm not celebrating the death of Osama, but after having been given this perspective on the situation I believe calling out "hypocrite" and "pathetic!" is founded in ignorance.

Your view is right, but from my point of view, when I am not US citizen, when in my country we celebrate these releavance occassions silently, this seems not right, yes someone accepts it as an starting end to a war, but it's not the end itself, also US wasn't reppressed, it wasn't colonised or attacked by a whole country, decade of this war seems nothing compared to soviets and their consentration camps, nazis and camps of theirs, and soviets actally was worse, except world was ignorant to this

Well, then let's do each other a favor and not call someone pathetic for differing cultures, yeah? I don't know where you're from, but many countries had many, many violent celebrations in their traditions that to this day are only barely fading away from the public's attention. Britain has a few like these that used to be absolutely filled with hatred.

I did not say it was the end itself. Nobody said that. Nobody's saying that. That's just silly.

Nor did I say that the US was repressed at all. Where in the world did I say that and how is it relevant? The "Well, someone else had it worse" is a weak argument that is pointless because there'll always be someone else whose had it worse. (Also, the soviets didn't have it the worst.)

To clear my view, I say that silent celebration is more wise. If we are looking forward then we must have to put end to barbaric celebrations of death. Also soviets didn't have bad at all, what i say, those who were repressed by soviets had maybe worst time, even yewish wasn't treated like ukrainians, or people from baltics. Sure there's every time "we had it worse than you" talk, I don't say it's wise and I'm not considering myself wise, my point is, if we talk about peace, then we must talk about respect too, and violent loud celebrations is not ever in a shadow of any kind of respect. If humanity would ever hit adulthood, we won't see celebrations as this one, or any other like this.

Yes, I know. That's why I'm not out there celebrating by getting drunk and chanting "USA! USA! USA!" I'm treating the situation somberly and respectfully. And while I like that you're treating it silently, calling those who don't "Pathetic" and "Hypocrites" when it isn't hypocritical and they aren't pathetic is no wiser than they are. Nor is it respectful at all. So, if you really are preaching respect, then preach respect, but don't come off as an ass at the same time.

You are right, I see that this doesn't make me different from them too. Well I've done my mistake and I am sorry. Those words came from just from the point where people are calling themselves faithful, go to church and believe in god. Me myself, I don't go to church I am not religious in any way, but standing against your beliefs seems somekind of pathetic to me, I accept that people have faith in god and I respect that, but when those people doesn't live a life they pretend to, then it's quite different talk. Also when those same people call me an atheist or satanist

 

[DarkRyter]

Pff, that's not scary. You know what is scary?

Alligators.

 

[Baneat]

I'm afraid that I must disagree on this one. Hitler deserves NO respect, Bin Laden deserves no respect. They chose to throw away their rights,

Huh? When did osama say "I relinquish all humanitarian rights granted to me"

???

 

[senobit]

First of all, there's no such thing as Good and Evil. Osama wasn't evil, he just believed in something and executed his plans according to it. Sure it caused a lot of pain to a lot of people but he did it because HE believed that it was the right thing to do. It's all about belief, in HIS eyes WE were the evil, HE was the good guy.

No such thing as evil? Girls in afghanistan getting acid sprayed in there faces for going to school is a matter of perspective? Dehumanizing someone till they become a mere organic guidance system for a bomb is just belief? Murdering children is an ideology?

Total bullshit, regardless of what he believed, he caused thousands of deaths and untold misey in the name of nothing more than his own twisted ambition and bigoted hatred. He was the defnition of evil and I'll raise a glass to the though of the bastard burning in hell.

 

[TimtheBigDaddy]

It will be over when the second coming of Christ has occurred.

 

[Brandon237]

I'm afraid that I must disagree on this one. Hitler deserves NO respect, Bin Laden deserves no respect. They chose to throw away their rights,

Huh? When did osama say "I relinquish all humanitarian rights granted to me"

???

When he decided to help Al Qaeda. Even his own MOTHER was glad he was Dead and Gone. She wanted to THANK the troops. When did all Al Qaeda's victims say the same? They didn't. he did, he deserves NO respect.

 

[Nieroshai]

THEY (read: WE) are celebrating the end of an enemy. Whether you think it honorable or not, seeing that the leader of your enemy has been defeated makes one feel at ease because he's the man responsible. Call it vengeance or whatever, but it was in payment for the mass murder he orchestrated and the war he helped cause. People are feeling good not because a man died, but because the very image of the enemy has been destroyed. If this does not make sense to you, you are eeither a saint or a very sheltered individual.

 

[Nieroshai]

It will be over when the second coming of Christ has occurred.

Just warning that this is troll fodder. Also, agreed. As will be everything.

 

[Spiny Norman]

I'm afraid that I must disagree on this one. Hitler deserves NO respect, Bin Laden deserves no respect. They chose to throw away their rights,

Huh? When did osama say "I relinquish all humanitarian rights granted to me"

???

I fail to see how Bin Laden's humanitarian rights were violated. He was an international fugitive from justice who was killed after firing on troops that were trying to apprehend him.

 

[Nieroshai]

Snip

and again

Yeah you really make it sound like spite, I thought vengeance was something toddler's did after you stole their sweets? I know the whole of America has a superiority complex but really is this actually necessary? Its just infantile.

If only those stupid, stupid Americans could live up to your level of class.

Dont quite get the point your making, but hey, check what your avatar has to say on the subject

He's the sole reason we've gotten into these wars with these third-world wastelands - to hunt him down wherever he hides and to eradicate all who hide him. Ten years of hunting, ten years of having to deal with uncooperative nations and governments in our long drawn-out manhunt have made revenge even more appealing.

You laid waste to several countries, ruined thousands of lives, killed countless soldiers, destroyed your international reputation so you could sneak into an old man's compound and shoot him? This seems a rather blythe and thoughtless dismissal of ten years of warfare dont you think.

So if your country was attacked, you'd REALLY expect the government to just sit there and say "we'll tell the UN but we don't really have a dog in this fight"? Also, if this is and has always been America's war, how is it that NATO and the UN had full involvement in the beginning? This was perceived by the world as an international crisis, and bin Laden was the world's most wanted man, not just America's. How easily everyone slips into throwing around words like "unilateral" when the whole world backed us to begin with.

 

[AngelOfBlueRoses]

Yeah, all these celebrations make me upset aswell. I would celebrate an end of a war, but not the killing of a man no matter how evil. These celebrations makes me see most of America as hypocrites, full of wanna-be faithful, but once again evil as the man they've killed. Also lol at the hand with peace symbol there, that's just pathetic...

I may not be celebrating the death of Osama with anything more than somberness, but this right here? Don't take a pathetic moral high ground if you don't understand the situation.

Here's a little perspective: It's been a very bitter decade. With war after war and the recession hitting the world hard, there's finally a scrap of good news. As a generation, our maturation has been put on pause fueled by an after-911 setting of paranoia and fear. Most of the people who have been celebrating were barely eight-to-twelve at the time of this 9/11 happening and for most, they've never heard of anything more terrible before in their so-far short lives. It was seared into their memory and had such a profound effect. For those who weren't children at the time, it brought them together and united a country that at times is at constant arguing with itself, one half against another. It brought a sense of unity for them that lasted longer for some rather than others, but it still brought them together, even through grief.

In the wake of all of this bad news that has been compounding and piling on top of us for the past decade, people finally got some good news to celebrate over that wasn't just another "WOO, Superbowl!" They're not celebrating the death of a man; they're celebrating their relief that things might slowly be able to turn back to normal. Whether this is a naive view is up for debate, but that's beside the point.

I'm not celebrating the death of Osama, but after having been given this perspective on the situation I believe calling out "hypocrite" and "pathetic!" is founded in ignorance.

Your view is right, but from my point of view, when I am not US citizen, when in my country we celebrate these releavance occassions silently, this seems not right, yes someone accepts it as an starting end to a war, but it's not the end itself, also US wasn't reppressed, it wasn't colonised or attacked by a whole country, decade of this war seems nothing compared to soviets and their consentration camps, nazis and camps of theirs, and soviets actally was worse, except world was ignorant to this

Well, then let's do each other a favor and not call someone pathetic for differing cultures, yeah? I don't know where you're from, but many countries had many, many violent celebrations in their traditions that to this day are only barely fading away from the public's attention. Britain has a few like these that used to be absolutely filled with hatred.

I did not say it was the end itself. Nobody said that. Nobody's saying that. That's just silly.

Nor did I say that the US was repressed at all. Where in the world did I say that and how is it relevant? The "Well, someone else had it worse" is a weak argument that is pointless because there'll always be someone else whose had it worse. (Also, the soviets didn't have it the worst.)

To clear my view, I say that silent celebration is more wise. If we are looking forward then we must have to put end to barbaric celebrations of death. Also soviets didn't have bad at all, what i say, those who were repressed by soviets had maybe worst time, even yewish wasn't treated like ukrainians, or people from baltics. Sure there's every time "we had it worse than you" talk, I don't say it's wise and I'm not considering myself wise, my point is, if we talk about peace, then we must talk about respect too, and violent loud celebrations is not ever in a shadow of any kind of respect. If humanity would ever hit adulthood, we won't see celebrations as this one, or any other like this.

Yes, I know. That's why I'm not out there celebrating by getting drunk and chanting "USA! USA! USA!" I'm treating the situation somberly and respectfully. And while I like that you're treating it silently, calling those who don't "Pathetic" and "Hypocrites" when it isn't hypocritical and they aren't pathetic is no wiser than they are. Nor is it respectful at all. So, if you really are preaching respect, then preach respect, but don't come off as an ass at the same time.

You are right, I see that this doesn't make me different from them too. Well I've done my mistake and I am sorry. Those words came from just from the point where people are calling themselves faithful, go to church and believe in god. Me myself, I don't go to church I am not religious in any way, but standing against your beliefs seems somekind of pathetic to me, I accept that people have faith in god and I respect that, but when those people doesn't live a life they pretend to, then it's quite different talk. Also when those same people call me an atheist or satanist

Well, it's good that you admit it and apologized! That's the mature and wise thing to do.

As for your latter point, I can agree with that. I'm Christian myself, but I don't associate with any church because I find most of them to be hypocritical. I go by myself and preach love and tolerance, not any of the hate-mongering they do. I just wish more Christians would actually follow the teachings of Jesus. Most do not seem to do that.

But don't worry if they call you a satanist, for those who are ridiculed for their beliefs shall inherit Heaven. Or, at least that's what more of those teachings would have you believe. Uh, but that's a discussion for elsewhere.

 

[maturin]

Does that not seem a bit medieval to anyone else?

"Medieval" typically refers to widespread human impulses unadulterated by civilized restraint.