This scare the shit out of anyone else?

[Oblix]

Muslim's dance in the streets firing weapons and burning flags the day of and weeks following 9/11: OK

Americans celebrating the death of the leader of the organization who took open responsibility for masterminding the attacks not only in the US but also in the UK a few years later (everyone already forget the bus bombings?): Apparently NOT OK.

Something isn't right here.

Also, regarding Saddam's capture and execution, I was around during his capture when he was being transported. We handed him over to Iraqi police and left him to THEIR justice system after he got the same medical check any P.O.W. gets when taken in to custody by American military forces.

THEY tried him under THEIR courts.
THEY executed him under THEIR jurisdiction.

 

[SFMB]

Osama was a malignant tumor, which was destroyed, but not before it had spread its cancerous cells all-over. Really doesn't matter much in the big picture. I hope the guy who off'd him at least gets a reward before Taleban-Ninjas assassinate his ass

 

[Vrach]

Anyone else? Or are you all patriotic Americans and whatnot?

I'm really not a fan of America, but I see nothing odd about this. A guy who is responsible for the deaths of some 3000 civilians is killed after a decade of eluding capture. A war was fought over his actions and what you're concerned is a celebration of his death? I find that more odd than a public celebration (despite not being the type of person who would celebrate something like this publicly myself).

(In fact, considering some states in US still practice the death penalty and that's something you can get a front seat for from what I understand, how is that any less of an issue than this? I doubt anyone out there who got the needle killed 3000 people and started a war)

Besides, from what I understand, there was nothing dodgy about his death (now, if you wanna get all conspiracy theory on my ass, feel free, I'll listen to ya gladly as long as you've got some proof). It wasn't the situation with Saddam where they captured him alive and then executed him like savages. He was killed in a firefight. Again, granted, that could be false information, but from what I've got to go on atm, it's all fair game.

 

[blah_ducks]

I'd like to make a rational statement as to why your argument is invalid. I'd like to quote some sort of philosophy as to what "Justice" really is, add a bit of witty remarks about the political tension, and giggle as I smoke from my cornpipe.

But honestly, I'm too goddamn patriotic and ecstatic to think rationally at the moment. Rope me in with all of the "sheep" that believe all of the media's lies. Tell me that I'm too naive to see the real picture and that once we start letting any kind of murder be okay, we'll delve into barbarianism. Tell me how I'm the exact reason there isn't world peace. Call me names, use me to prove to yourself that America -hell why stop there- SOCIETY is messed up.

I. DON'T. GIVE. A. FUCK.

I am glad that Osama Bin Laden is dead. I'm glad that the SEALS killed him. I would have been glad had they captured him as well, but I'm glad the way everything turned out. I am an American teen, and I admit that had I been in the area, I would have celebrated with those people in DC. I'm tired of you bastards judging me. I am PROUD to be an American.

 

[Oblix]

It wasn't the situation with Saddam where they captured him alive and then executed him like savages. He was killed in a firefight. Again, granted, that could be false information, but from what I've got to go on atm, it's all fair game.

He was tried and convicted under Sharia law. The penalties for what he did under their laws is DEATH. Why are people still saying the US did it.

 

[Carlston]

Sorry, but like I don't feel sorry for confessed mass murderers or child molesters dying in prison. Man was a monster, he was being hidden and protected...


This was a nice end for him honestly...

Unlike all the people he's murdered in his life time and ordered murdered. 3k on 9/11 is a stones throw compared to the rest of the Russians, Muslims, Afghan's and the others he had a hand in their deaths.

Only someone in my mind who is inhuman, would want a monster like this treated nicely for all his wonderful actions in his life.

Oh and in Saddams case, He was turned over to his people and THEY paraded him around a few days. Not America.

 

[Oblix]

**Accidental double post, my bad.

 

[AgDr_ODST]

I was about to get out of my car and start my shift at work when I heard the news and for the rest of the day I was singing "Bang Bang the bastards dead, the Seals shot Osama in the head". Hell if I hadn't been going to work I think I would have celebrated by doing alot more than just singing, cause he was an evil son of a ***** who quite simply needed to be taken out. But inspite of that I think that even though he didn't deserve it, it was good that they gave him a proper funeral.

 

[Da_Schwartz]

...Wtf. Okay. Here's how i see it. A 32 year old, educated, realist that just happens to have lived in NY his entire life. I'm not exactly sure what the hell the rest of the world is being shown but your really putting a bit of an anti-American twist on this. There are no parades, there are no freedom rallies and celebrations in the streets. Besides the fact that his face is plastered all over every newspaper and news channel society really hasn't changed at all. The idea of the Cowboy "team America" type attitude is a misconception, we not running around yelling freedom high 5ing in the streets and going yea yea yea we killed that guy to everyone we meet!

I was closer to the World Trade Center on 9-11 then I'd of liked to have been and don't have to get into my own personal experience that horrible horrible day, I'd really rather not. But there is a connection between the day they fell and the day laden died in a fire fight...during a war. ("US EXECUTES BIN LADEN" is a pretty shitty way to phrase it) Anyway. This isn't about vengenace, or closure, his death won't bring any lives lost that day or our boys from over seas back. It is about freedom, patriotism, justice, looking out for ourselves and others, yea yea people die innocents. Yea it's war. That's why we have rules of engaement. The world isn't perfect.

Where all this gets lost in translation from where ever YOU are sitting and from where I'm sitting is the definition of patriotism. Is not a feeling of bloodlust and justice. It's a feeling of unity. It's hard to explain. After 9-11 Ny was a different place, people were kinder to each other, everyone knew someone that was lost, and flags, my god you've never seen so many flags in your life, every door, tree, streetpole, car, it was insane. There was this feeling that something was taken from all of us and just about anyone u met on a daily basis was feelin it to. That's kinda what it's like now that he's dead. It's not a celebration it's just like.. a vibe, a feeling in the air weight lifted whatever u call it. With all the garbage and nonsense thats goin on in this country economically, finacailly really and trutfully its going to shit, and the war has alot to blame for it. TEN YEARS!! But you know what...for at least a little while...it's just a lil brighter outside.

 

[Carlston]

Well, does anybody remember when thousands of Iraqis celebrated on their streets when those planes killed over 2,000 innocent americans?

Fair argument? How is it a fair argument to compare celebration over the death of a mass murderer to celebration over the death of thousands of innocent civilians?

ever heard of two wrongs not making one right?

Killing the person who started this entire mess is just right. Without 9/11 there would be no Afagan or Iraq wars and innocent dead.

Don't start none, won't be none.

And this isn't a wrong to kill him, it's justice, or in just a blunt real human way "Killing a man who just couldn't live in the bounds of real society and thought being a mass murdered was a thing to be proud of." can't live in the rules of civilized society, expect to be removed.

 

[maturin]

"Medieval" typically refers to widespread human impulses unadulterated by civilized restraint.

Exactly, is there anything civilized about waving flags over a man's death? (and I dont know where your got your definition of 'medieval' from but that is one hell of a generalization you've got there).[/quote]
That's not a definition of the word medieval, it's my description of its usage in this case.

It's really no more complicated than the last Batman movie. Push people hard enough and they will "eat one another."

9/11 wasn't civilized either, and inspired sufficient passion to make people act like this without feeling terribly guilty about it.

Personally, I find the celebration of the death of a terrible excuse for a man less disturbing than similar celebrations of wars where most of the dead were innocents. It'll happen, people celebrated 9/11 too, it's spontaneous public reaction and not policy, so don't worry about it.

 

[TheAceTheOne]

Amazing Captcha!

On Topic: It disturbs me. Anyone else notice that a lot of these people celebrating are actually teens and college students? Or is it just me?

Yup, this is kind of creepy. Admittedly, though, I can see where it's justified. I think that the cause for celebration is that justice was done, that all the people who've died as a result of this man's actions have, at least in a small way, avenged. It's no excuse to act like it's Spring Break.

 

[IamGamer41]

YES HE DESERVED TO DIE AND I HOPE HE BURNS IN HELL!

 

[ShakyFiend]

Killing the person who started this entire mess is just right. Without 9/11 there would be no Afagan or Iraq wars and innocent dead.

Don't start none, won't be none.

And this isn't a wrong to kill him, it's justice, or in just a blunt real human way "Killing a man who just couldn't live in the bounds of real society and thought being a mass murdered was a thing to be proud of." can't live in the rules of civilized society, expect to be removed.

And without US aggression in the middle east there would of been no 9/11; if you want to argue causality be prepared to go back a long way. And 'can't live in the rules of civilized society, expect to be removed.', jesus, you do realise thats one argument you really need to revise, especially as shooting an unarmed man, in someone else's country, without even bothering to get permission from that countries government is definitely not within the rules of civilised society.

Again, I realise the way things were done is pretty much the only way they were going to work; im more a pragmatist than an idealist, I also realise the need for Americans to prove themselves the biggest bullies in the playground. But lets not pretend an assassination following what was a long and brutal man-hunt of several wars should be met with triumphant jubilation as though it represents something noble and glorious.

As someone once said 'dark places for dark deeds', don't look so pretty in the light.

Personally, I find the celebration of the death of a terrible excuse for a man less disturbing than similar celebrations of wars where most of the dead were innocents. It'll happen, people celebrated 9/11 too, it's spontaneous public reaction and not policy, so don't worry about it.

None of those make it a good thing, you cannot justify something by pointing at someone else and going 'this is so unfair, they did it first!

I'd like to make a rational statement as to why your argument is invalid. I'd like to quote some sort of philosophy as to what "Justice" really is, add a bit of witty remarks about the political tension,

Not to be pithy or anything but judging by this, you couldnt even if you tried. Jokes aside, im not hitting on patriots, if thats [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWS-FoXbjVI] your thing, then cool. And hey, I wasnt saying this was hugely injust, bit of an abstract concept really.

 

[Baneat]

I'm afraid that I must disagree on this one. Hitler deserves NO respect, Bin Laden deserves no respect. They chose to throw away their rights,

Huh? When did osama say "I relinquish all humanitarian rights granted to me"

???

I fail to see how Bin Laden's humanitarian rights were violated. He was an international fugitive from justice who was killed after firing on troops that were trying to apprehend him.

I didn't say any rights were violated. My quotee said that he gave his rights away

and to my quotee:

That's not how rights work

At all.

Like, AT ALL, as in, you so totally missed the point of human rights it's astounding. They are categorical, they are deontological, they do not give a fuck who they protect, they're unbendable, and entirely rigid. Unless Osama said he relinquishes his human rights, he still has them, since only he can take them away from him.

 

[Tomster595]

I am an American, and I think the celebrations are pretty excessive. I mean, I'm patriotic, the fact that we killed him was a victory for our country, so overall, yea it's a good thing. I didn't like bin Laden obviously, and I don't feel bad for him or anything, but people being overjoyed and having celebrations over an old man being shot in the head is a bit messed up.

 

[Kadamon]

...we needed the morale boost?

 

[Kurokami]

You're absolutely right, go put some flowers on his grave.

I also like how you say "Anyone else? Or are you all patriotic americans and whatnot?" I suppose the whatnot gives you a bit of leeway, but it's either their side or yours?

I would but im afraid they'd be rather overwatered by the time I got there, and to be completely honest I belong to the whatnot myself, cant say Im sorry he's dead, but it dosent make me that happy either.

So fuck you if you think that's wrong.

Spoiler: Have a prize.

Seriously though, abuse < argument, the latter gets vexing after a while.

angsty.

keep the argument on the content not the tone otherwise this just turns into a typical internet argument, full of people too blinded by outrage to realise there going in circles. (and no that was not a stab at you before you say it was (which would be ironic as hell by the way). As for the rest of your argument, I dont know what you think you wrote but read it. You state that the celebration over Osama's death (and everything leading up to it) are justified because of on death, whether he be tactical mastermind or not, thats still ten years of war.

You seemed to have fixated on the bit when I was an ass instead of responding to my reasoning. Not sure if it's ironic or a sign that you agreed with me. You also didn't answer my question as to why you care.