This scare the shit out of anyone else?

[gamefreakbsp]

I am not celebrating myself. But, I completely empathize with the people who are. In this particular case, my conscience is clear. Bastard deserved what he got, and I have no problem with Americans celebrating the death of the man who took so much from their country.

 

[maturin]

None of those make it a good thing

Uh, duh? Assassination, violation of sovereignty, death of noncombatants...

Pretty good that he's dead, though. The ends justify the means. Sorry, but sometimes that holds true, because this is a case where the means haven't done anything other than *make sensitive people upset.* Barring the woman who died, and perhaps the manner in which the three men were perhaps needlessly shot, there's no great outrage against the innocent here.

you cannot justify something by pointing at someone else and going 'this is so unfair, they did it first!

You mean Bin Laden assassinated someone in Pakistan first, so then we got to do the same? You mean he carried out a terrorist attack, so we got to do the same? This is logically inconsistent.

He killed over 3,000 innocent people. Then we killed him. Because of what he did. And we didn't care about the niceties of legality and sovereignty A) because then we wouldn't have gotten him and B) 3,000 is a big number and thus we didn't care.

Your argument is very poor. You're essentially arguing against the whole human concept of justice. A criminal does a cruel thing, the law does a cruel thing to him. You could argue that the United States is an illegitimate force for serving Bin Laden with justice, but you haven't argued that. You have complained about the murder of an unrepentant mass murderer.

And do you really want to extend causation beyond the point of human choice? U.S. foreign policy is responsible for provoking Bin Laden to form Al Qaeda? The criminal's mother is responsible for bearing him? This is incomprehensibly wishy washy in the worst of ways.

 

[MegaManOfNumbers]

also what the hell, captcha:

You made me laugh, then snort, then choke on my spit.

you sir made my day. HIGH FI-

no wait, how do you high five an internet person?

 

[ShakyFiend]

You seemed to have fixated on the bit when I was an ass instead of responding to my reasoning. Not sure if it's ironic or a sign that you agreed with me. You also didn't answer my question as to why you care.

Fair point, my bad, although the escapist really needs to streamline their messaging system. I care because the US is closely associated with Britain, and considering the amount of culture iv absorbed from there its the country I feel most closely associated with after my own.

So when people take to the streets to cheer the death of someone whomsoever that may be, I cant help feel a bit ashamed of my association. Take it how you will, I oppose forcing death upon someone in pretty much any situation.

Jesus, youd think expressing yourself in a typed form people could understand would be simple, my naivety I guess, ok here goes

Uh, duh?

wasnt just talking to you, check out some of the other posts in this thread before you accuse me of preaching the obvious.

Pretty good that he's dead, though. The ends justify the means. Sorry, but sometimes that holds true, because this is a case where the means haven't done anything other than *make sensitive people upset.* Barring the woman who died, and perhaps the manner in which the three men were perhaps needlessly shot, there's no great outrage against the innocent here.

The actual assassination itself im not that concerned about, the American army does worse things every week, sorry if I mislead you, frankly even if he'd justly tried and condemned to death id dislike people celebrating.

you cannot justify something by pointing at someone else and going 'this is so unfair, they did it first!

Again I was referring to the people who were saying 'they celebrated 9/11 soe we get to celebrate this', the quote above is essentially their amalgamated arguments.

You have complained about the murder of an unrepentant mass murderer.

Nope. Check the OP, im complaining about the celebration of aforesaid murder, plus since when did the fact that people had done evil things make it OK to shoot them in the head, try extending that to every rapist etc. out there. People are human, and if you alter the rules for one then that indicates you can alter the rules for all.

But as I said the actual assassination does not really concern me.

And do you really want to extend causation beyond the point of human choice? U.S. foreign policy is responsible for provoking Bin Laden to form Al Qaeda? The criminal's mother is responsible for bearing him? This is incomprehensibly wishy washy in the worst of ways.

Exactly my point, which is why arguing blame in this way is pointless (the person I was arguing against was attempting to argue that Osama's death was justified by 9/11; its a highly subjective thing)

 

[rmb1983]

Muslim's dance in the streets firing weapons and burning flags the day of and weeks following 9/11: OK

No one said, or even suggested that. Celebrating killing someone is poor form, no matter which way you slice it.

Wrong people have every right to celebrate an evil being purged from the Earth. Americans don't really have much to celebrate lately so whats wrong with a lil happyness about the world being less 1 very evil man.

I love the hipsters who keep saying its sick were celebrating a mans death. Any news is bad news to them and Americans are a terrible people blah blah blah

Hipsters are, as has been said, indeed the scum of the earth. Don't liken people to something you dislike simply because we're not celebrating someone being killed. There's nothing wrong with having satisfaction over someone who has caused an entire country a monstrous headache, an excessive amount of fear and paranoia, and thousands of deaths, but celebrating in such illustrious fashion over a single person's death, whether they're a terrible person or not, is just plain crude.
Americans aren't bad. People who celebrate someone being killed, on the other hand...well, they could do with a bit more tact in their lives, that's for sure.

"Oh! But he was a monster! That makes it okay!"
He may have been the leader of his organization, but it's the ideals, not the man, that are to blame. If not for their [fanatical] beliefs, do you think someone would have said "Okay!" when they were ordered to fly a plane into a building, killing themselves and thousands of others in the process?
Not only that, but it doesn't die with him. Sure, it's nice to know he's not around anymore, but it solves nothing. The whole organization isn't going to crumble and stop blowing things/people/your cat named Mr. Whiskers up just because one man is dead.

"He was evil, he deserved it!"

Yeah, but you're the one enjoying the death of a real person. These people have more in common with Osama than they thought. Tragic.

Precisely.

 

[LordGarbageMan]

People are always looking for an excuse to party. And it's pretty easy to look at it as "a win" or whatever, if you're going to look at it as a war. I liked the south park clip earlier

 

[Helscreama]

He was a "towel head", who cares about him? America has its independence back or whatever the fuck it is they're celebrating. Woo, freedom!

Exactly, the fact that this outlandish man has been killed totally justifies the war that ravaged a country to find him, leaving said country economically and physically fucked for decades.

But YEAH, freedom and shit.

I don't agree with what this guy has said but what doesn't get said very often is we aren't just blow shit up.

Schools and infrastructure are also getting built while the fight continues. Some countries have deployed engineers along with combat troops to help set the Afghans up so they are able to get their country running again.

 

[Tanis]

As the more superstitious would say - Revenge is good for the soul...and I've have to agree.

His head, for a lot of people, is a milestone of 'we did it, we FINALLY did it!'.

Is it wrong to celebrate the death of another?

Nah...every time I hear about a rapist/pedophile getting lynched I smile.

 

[rsvp42]

also what the hell, captcha:

You made me laugh, then snort, then choke on my spit.

you sir made my day. HIGH FI-

no wait, how do you high five an internet person?

 

[Gladiateher]

I heard that he hid behind one of his wives as he was shot. It's hard not to hate such a man, a coward who would ask others to commit suicide for his cause. Is it right to celebrate his death? No. But neither were the bastard's actions in life. This man got what was coming to him, and the celebrating afterward is more humiliation of a man that deserves it, whether it was right of us to dish it out or not.

Medieval? Yes, a bit. But it appears we haven't evolved our base instincts much over time, especially the one that controls our thirst for vengeance. I can't say I blame the Americans that did this, and frankly that's one less evil bastard in the world to deal with.

This guy nailed it.

 

[rmb1983]

also what the hell, captcha:

You made me laugh, then snort, then choke on my spit.

you sir made my day. HIGH FI-

no wait, how do you high five an internet person?

That is just plain beautiful, sir. I almost shed a tear.

Botched tear ducts. I hope you understand.

 

[Sarah Kerrigan]

Well we wanted payback for 9/11 and we got it...But yes, I feel kinda disturbed we are cheering and parting over a death.

Even if it was deserved.

 

[Kurokami]

You seemed to have fixated on the bit when I was an ass instead of responding to my reasoning. Not sure if it's ironic or a sign that you agreed with me. You also didn't answer my question as to why you care.

Fair point, my bad, although the escapist really needs to streamline their messaging system. I care because the US is closely associated with Britain, and considering the amount of culture iv absorbed from there its the country I feel most closely associated with after my own.

So when people take to the streets to cheer the death of someone whomsoever that may be, I cant help feel a bit ashamed of my association. Take it how you will, I oppose forcing death upon someone in pretty much any situation.

Jesus, youd think expressing yourself in a typed form people could understand would be simple, my naivety I guess, ok here goes

Allow me to try and set your mind at ease, I realize I'm a bit callous myself when it comes the the value of human life, but the Americans are more likely celebrating a win against terror rather than the death of Osama, if they had found him and had started a court procedure that would have been expected to take 10 years, the streets still would have been full. It's not the death of who they consider an evil man, it's the downfall of him and what he represents.

I hope that puts it in a different light for you.

 

[Gudrests]

When we spent over 20 Billion on that country alone to get them to help us find a criminal and they didn't.....Yes we are allowed to "stroll" in and kill who they want. when the man has the cowerdence to hid behind his wife, and use her as a human shield. When one man directed so much pain on so many people. I think its something to celebrate. Even at that tho....This mattered to alot of people, How does this scare you? Most people would celebrate too if it effected them like this did.

 

[Tdc2182]

And this is happening all over the US, people are actively celebrating killing a guy? Does that not seem a bit medieval to anyone else? When people turn out in their thousands to celebrate something like this it justs worries me like hell.

Tell me what's wrong about this exactly?

This has been the complaint I've heard from lots of people over the internet, yet no one has really been able to validate why it's wrong.

Are we suppose to be sad he's dead? Is there suppose to be any emotion other than relief that he is dead?

People were cheering in the streets when each country was brought down and then again when Hitler died.

Are we cheering about the Mass Murder of a thousand civilians? No.

He's a dick that caused a lot of stress for a Country that was arguably impenetrable at the time. We could be doing a lot worse than cheering.

 

[TriggerOnly]

Snip

This is why we have the say "Americans".. just let them be feeling al safe now they got there man. Little do these Americans realise it was never about him nor has any thing changed.

 

[bluewolf]

I find it suspicious that he was staying in Pakistan for so long without anyone saying anything and why people think this will change the world. Somone will obviosly take his place.

 

[mattaui]

I cracked open a beer and toasted the President for a job well done, and to the folks on the ground who really made it happen. That was a fine example of the proper application of First World projection of power. If only we could have done more of that and less trying to pave over the entire Middle East, but that's mission creep for you.

Were I playing Bioware's 'The War On Terror II', when faced with violent extremists, I think the radial dialog choice for 'Send SEAL Team Six To Kill Them All' would be my go-to option.

The only issue I have with people celebrating is that they shouldn't be mistaken as to what OBL's death means. It was an important milestone and closure regarding the attacks on 9/11, but there is still much work to be done, and I hope this serves to bolster the cause.

 

[SenseOfTumour]

I just can't believe it took ten years and how many billions of dollars to nail him. Having said that, I'll contradict myself by railing against the current wave of anti Pakistan nonsense in the news at the moment 'He'd apparently been living there for 6 years, and Pakistan 'didn't know', we need to investigate if Pakistan were hiding him.'

I live in a block of flats on an estate, and hell, I'd only recognise about 5 people from the 9 apartments in my block, and only one from the block next door. I honestly believe if Bin Laden had been keeping quiet in the block next to me, never showing his face and sending others out for anything he needed, I'd never have known, never mind our military, leaders or intelligence. It's actually still fairly easy to hide one guy in a whole country.

On top of that, I saw our papers took another chance to take a tenuous swipe at the BBC for covering the event, saying they were inpiring revenge attacks. Because no other news channel mentioned it, and the papers certainly didn't devote half the paper (even moved the tits from page 3) to Bin Laden. Really, can you imagine the newspaper headlines if BBC had ignored it?

They also pretty much said his corpse was chucked in a bag with some rocks and thrown in the sea, when in fact the US officers involved actually did everything in their power to give him a respectful sea funeral, despite the obvious urge to parade his head on a stick. To me, the US forces in the area did everything very well, and the funeral arrangements were done to cause as little extra uproar from the enemy as possible, while denying them a grave on land to turn into a martyr's shrine.

Sadly the Sun reported it as 'HA HA WE DUN PUT HIM IN A BAG N KICKED HIM INTO DA SEA', which is obviously very sensible and not all inflammatory.

I do think the US news sources were irresponsible to keep showing crowds waving flags and chanting USA! USA! as tho Hulk Hogan had just walked out in front of them and torn his shirt in half, but from the flow of this thread, it seems, as ever, they've found a minority and portrayed them as the norm.

In short, I'm pleased that he's dead, but celebration just seems a bit backward, a bit ..animal, tho I can fully understand relief, contentment, closure and just a general feeling that it's good that he's gone. I do think the reporting of the event could be as much of a catalyst for a new attack as Bin Laden's death, however, but then I've given up expecting responsible journalism when hyperbole sells more ads.