To anyone who thinks piracy is ok

[hem dazon 90]

I get piracy is bad. I mean my friend still torrents files like a ************ but we know it is bad

 

[DazBurger]

If they started pricing right I wouldn't consider piracy. 60$ for medal of honor? 50$ for front mission evo? 40$ for dead rising 2? These games are not worth the price, and I've gotten ripped off way to many times. Oh and for anyone who says "you can wait for the prices to drop" take a look at CoD MW 2. Still 60$ after about 2 years, and it's only half as good as CoD 4. Price them reasonably and sure I'd buy it. The only time I wouldn't pirate ever would be for companies just starting.

Ripped off? If it were food, water or taxes then it could be considered being ripped off, but games aren't essentials.

You are stealing something you don't need because its too expensive? You could try doing whats normal to do in that kind of situation...

 

[Zukhramm]

So if you were hurting for cash, and you wanted a car, would you see stealing that car as an acceptable way? Just because you wouldn't get the game if pirating around, doesn't make pirating acceptable./quote]

Nope. If you could magically make a copy of a car appear, though, why would you not do that?

The overall cost of a game is determined by how much work is required to make it. The reason some indie games are cheap is because they only need to recuperate the relatively small costs of production. If a game costs more to make, it will cost more to buy.

As stated earlier in the thread as a reply to this exact post: No, prices are, generally always the same for a new release today.

In any case, maybe the fact that most games are so expansive to make is the problem. If you can't cover the cost of production, instead of blaming pirates, maybe lowering the cost of production might be worth a try?

 

[rembrandtqeinstein]

old article is old

and it was pulled entirely out of that dudes ass

there is absolutely ZERO proof for the statement "piracy is a loss of potential revenue"

and if the only problem is that piracy is a loss of potential revenue then used games are HEAD AND SHOULDERS a greater loss of potential revenue, also can't forget about libraries, and people letting their friends borrow games.

 

[YourlocalPCsnob]

 

[Killbot]

Pfft, piracy is fine.
It's a testament to the selfless nature that some people can exhibit.
All the stuff about it destroying industry is just boo-hoo from the publishers cos they aren't making the money they want to each quarter. So what? Produce a decent enough game to get people to buy it so they'll support you in the future instead of ripping your game off. Would you really buy a game from a company that has let you down again and again, or would you rather get a hold of it for free to give it a test run? That being said if you really wanted a game would you rather pirate it or buy it? If you REALLY wanted it... enough to say... buy it?!

Oh and btw, check your sources. I don't think ANY company wants to get the eye for being pro-piracy... ANY, especially a po-dunk like tweakguides.com! So saying that's unbiased is wrong.

If piracy has taught me anything, it's that people will believe anything is bad as long as its shoved in their face with a big sign saying it is and a rockin' tune that just makes them want to obey the law! It's that side of it that makes me lose almost all faith in humans... dumb animals.

 

[Zukhramm]

You are stealing something you don't need because its too expensive? You could try doing whats normal to do in that kind of situation...

Download it from the internet?

Someone who can not afford something, and choses to download it. Why shouldn't they? As they didn't have the money, they couldn't buy it anyway, so it's no loss to anyone? Again, why shouldn't they. To a lot of people "it's wrong" probably is not good enough of an argument.

 

[fundayz]

It boils down to this:

Pirates are getting something of value for free at the expense of the creator, who had to put time and effort(AKA money) to make it.

That's wrong every way you look at it.

 

[Nouw]

large corporations are evil, there only goal is to suck every last penny out of you. pirates are people who share media, sharing is a concept known as 'socialism' big capitalist corporations dont like socialism

I think Valve begs to differ. It may be socialist, but that is no excuse to pirate. If you're being serious, please look at your argument again.

I found an article, its 10 pages long, but is the most in depth look at piracy i have ever seen.
He takes a very unbiased look at it, and i plead to anyone who still pirates games to go read it.

http://www.tweakguides.com/Piracy_1.html

Yet computer game companies treat there entire fan base like criminals, with unworkable anti-piracy software built in, which makes it impossible to sell on via EBgames refurbished games system, which means the games i want are not sold on PC at games stores (best example of this is the new Transformers Game which EBGames has on every concsole system including the DS, but not on PC... Anywhere in the state, with no intention of purchasing it).

So to all you computer game designers, stop treating your entire fan base like criminals & maybe you'll stop forcing them to be criminals.

Also how about bringing out a Demo or two... Because theres nothing worse then spending $100 on a brand new game, only to find out it clashes with Windows 7, or your graphics card, or some other glitch so wont install or fails to run.

In all this its the consumer whose the victim, not the giant company racking in the money.

-M

p.s I dont pirate games, but i can see why i would.

I understand where you are coming from, but if the PC Devs didn't do all those things, the pirates would have their way much more easily. Better be safe than sorry.

 

[bob1052]

So if you were hurting for cash, and you wanted a car, would you see stealing that car as an acceptable way? Just because you wouldn't get the game if pirating around, doesn't make pirating acceptable./quote]

Nope. If you could magically make a copy of a car appear, though, why would you not do that?

The overall cost of a game is determined by how much work is required to make it. The reason some indie games are cheap is because they only need to recuperate the relatively small costs of production. If a game costs more to make, it will cost more to buy.

As stated earlier in the thread as a reply to this exact post: No, prices are, generally always the same for a new release today.

In any case, maybe the fact that most games are so expansive to make is the problem. If you can't cover the cost of production, instead of blaming pirates, maybe lowering the cost of production might be worth a try?

Exactly. Why waste a bunch of money on production costs if the game you're making isn't in the least bit original? These developers can't possibly believe for a second that they can spend millions of dollars on another cookie-cutter FPS and expect to recoup the costs. It's going to bomb, or have mediocre sales at best, regardless of whether or not piracy is involved.

Regardless of its quality, they spent that on making it. If the quality is bad, don't play it. Pirating it isn't some kind of way to respond to bad quality. That's just your terrible excuse for pirating.

 

[bob1052]

large corporations are evil, there only goal is to suck every last penny out of you. pirates are people who share media, sharing is a concept known as 'socialism' big capitalist corporations dont like socialism

I think Valve begs to differ. It may be socialist, but that is no excuse to pirate. If you're being serious, please look at your argument again.

I found an article, its 10 pages long, but is the most in depth look at piracy i have ever seen.
He takes a very unbiased look at it, and i plead to anyone who still pirates games to go read it.

http://www.tweakguides.com/Piracy_1.html

Yet computer game companies treat there entire fan base like criminals, with unworkable anti-piracy software built in, which makes it impossible to sell on via EBgames refurbished games system, which means the games i want are not sold on PC at games stores (best example of this is the new Transformers Game which EBGames has on every concsole system including the DS, but not on PC... Anywhere in the state, with no intention of purchasing it).

So to all you computer game designers, stop treating your entire fan base like criminals & maybe you'll stop forcing them to be criminals.

Also how about bringing out a Demo or two... Because theres nothing worse then spending $100 on a brand new game, only to find out it clashes with Windows 7, or your graphics card, or some other glitch so wont install or fails to run.

In all this its the consumer whose the victim, not the giant company racking in the money.

-M

p.s I dont pirate games, but i can see why i would.

I understand where you are coming from, but if the PC Devs didn't do all those things, the pirates would have their way much more easily. Better be safe than sorry.

So it's safe to say that devs are more interesting in fighting pirates than they are in pleasing their customers? That might be why so many people think that quality of games is decreasing.

Believe it or not, developers are a thing called businesses. If you honestly think your enjoyment is their number one concern then you are quite wrong.

Also maybe the reason why people think that quality of games is decreasing is because people aren't paying for the game to support the developer.

 

[Nouw]

large corporations are evil, there only goal is to suck every last penny out of you. pirates are people who share media, sharing is a concept known as 'socialism' big capitalist corporations dont like socialism

I think Valve begs to differ. It may be socialist, but that is no excuse to pirate. If you're being serious, please look at your argument again.

I found an article, its 10 pages long, but is the most in depth look at piracy i have ever seen.
He takes a very unbiased look at it, and i plead to anyone who still pirates games to go read it.

http://www.tweakguides.com/Piracy_1.html

Yet computer game companies treat there entire fan base like criminals, with unworkable anti-piracy software built in, which makes it impossible to sell on via EBgames refurbished games system, which means the games i want are not sold on PC at games stores (best example of this is the new Transformers Game which EBGames has on every concsole system including the DS, but not on PC... Anywhere in the state, with no intention of purchasing it).

So to all you computer game designers, stop treating your entire fan base like criminals & maybe you'll stop forcing them to be criminals.

Also how about bringing out a Demo or two... Because theres nothing worse then spending $100 on a brand new game, only to find out it clashes with Windows 7, or your graphics card, or some other glitch so wont install or fails to run.

In all this its the consumer whose the victim, not the giant company racking in the money.

-M

p.s I dont pirate games, but i can see why i would.

I understand where you are coming from, but if the PC Devs didn't do all those things, the pirates would have their way much more easily. Better be safe than sorry.

So it's safe to say that devs are more interesting in fighting pirates than they are in pleasing their customers? That might be why so many people think that quality of games is decreasing.

And with that in mind, they should focus on both. But let's say a game is golden but it has no anti-piracy built in at all. I think you know what happens next. And as the poster above stated, maybe if the customer paid money to suppourt the dev they could focus more on the quality instead of trying to stop the pirates.

 

[bob1052]

Piracy is great for developers. People that wouldn't buy it anyway get to try it out, and they in turn can influence the people that are willing to buy stuff. Everyone wins!

Because having the game for free causes people to want to pay for the game. I would wager that the majority of people who would pirate, won't pay for their game after playing the pirated version.

 

[Zakarath]

Piracy basically comes down to this:
Are you a good, moral person who wants to support the people that make the games you enjoy?
Buy them.
Are you a selfish, hedonistic bastard who cares only what you get out of life and to hell with the people who spent tons of both time and money on their product?
Pirate it. But know what you are.