TotalBiscuit Takedown Notice

[Mangod]

Im actually not surprised this happened with youtubes automatic claims processing. Im going to be a voice of dissent though even though I usually watch TBs videos. From my point of view I watched the guise of the wolf video and TB tore it to shreds. However as I was watching the video I didnt think it was really that bad. Im not, nor will I ever be a graphics guy so I wont shy away from a game that looks bad (hell my favorite game is X-com enemy unknown (1993) so graphics dont mean a thing to me as long as theres good gameplay and/or an interesting story).

The stealth system was laughable but so is just about every games stealth mechanics. So what else was really bad about the game...um, nothing that I recall from the video. I have not bought the game and have no plans to, however I really do feel like TB was harder on the game then he really needed to be and I kept not understanding why. His criticisms, to me, didnt match up with much of what was shown in his video. Guise of the wolf, based on my limited video watching was not Gary's incident in awfulness and yet it seemed like he hammered it harder then Gary's incident.

Perhaps you need to watch the streamed videos to really get how bad Guise is but the one video I watched didnt tell me that the game was bad. It just said "this game is not for me"

That said, FUN is dead wrong for taking down the video. Any company that would censor criticism does not, nor will it ever, deserve consumers money. Even if their game turned out to be a diamond in excrement their actions have forever steered me away from them. I will always look at them with suspicion and distrust

Trust me, if you watched the research stream it looked much, much worse. If anything, the WTF Is... video was going easy on the game. It was a glitchy, buggy mess, where the player would glitch through the walls and trees and rocks of the game; if you press the enter button to skip a conversation the game gets put into windowed mode and has to be rebooted in order to restore it to playable condition; if you attack something too fast in werewolf form the sound doubles, tripples and quadruples; the artstyle, which puts thick, black outlines around everything, makes it look like characters have pieces of their faces missing; the audio level fluctuates wildly between characters, with one character being barely audible without turning up the volume, and then the next character you talk to focres you to turn the sound down again or risk your eardrums...

Like TB himself said, it seems like the game is a student project, and fine, for a student project I guess it's not that bad, but it also isn't good enough to sell for $15 on Steam.

 

[NuclearKangaroo]

Im actually not surprised this happened with youtubes automatic claims processing. Im going to be a voice of dissent though even though I usually watch TBs videos. From my point of view I watched the guise of the wolf video and TB tore it to shreds. However as I was watching the video I didnt think it was really that bad. Im not, nor will I ever be a graphics guy so I wont shy away from a game that looks bad (hell my favorite game is X-com enemy unknown (1993) so graphics dont mean a thing to me as long as theres good gameplay and/or an interesting story).

The stealth system was laughable but so is just about every games stealth mechanics. So what else was really bad about the game...um, nothing that I recall from the video. I have not bought the game and have no plans to, however I really do feel like TB was harder on the game then he really needed to be and I kept not understanding why. His criticisms, to me, didnt match up with much of what was shown in his video. Guise of the wolf, based on my limited video watching was not Gary's incident in awfulness and yet it seemed like he hammered it harder then Gary's incident.

Perhaps you need to watch the streamed videos to really get how bad Guise is but the one video I watched didnt tell me that the game was bad. It just said "this game is not for me"

That said, FUN is dead wrong for taking down the video. Any company that would censor criticism does not, nor will it ever, deserve consumers money. Even if their game turned out to be a diamond in excrement their actions have forever steered me away from them. I will always look at them with suspicion and distrust

"The stealth system was laughable but so is just about every games stealth mechanics."

have you played ANY stealth game in your entire life?

tell me MGS3S' stealth is laughable, or dishonored's, or splinter cell chaos theory's or Mark of the Ninja's

theres the fact the game has constant clipping issues, lack of direction, uninteresting gameplay, among other things

 

[ToastyMozart]

At least Yathzee is actually funny. I cringe whenever TB starts showing a game and spend 20min in the options screen.

You know, he does make an annotation for the express purpose of skipping right to the gameplay portion.

 

[ToastyMozart]

Snip.

"The stealth system was laughable but so is just about every games stealth mechanics."

have you played ANY stealth game in your entire life?

tell me MGS3S' stealth is laughable, or dishonored's, or splinter cell chaos theory's or Mark of the Ninja's

theres the fact the game has constant clipping issues, lack of direction, uninteresting gameplay, among other things

And the Arkham games, and Deus Ex (Both of them), and the Crysis games, and Gunpoint, and Thief, and Hitman...

 

[AuronFtw]

Snip.

"The stealth system was laughable but so is just about every games stealth mechanics."

have you played ANY stealth game in your entire life?

tell me MGS3S' stealth is laughable, or dishonored's, or splinter cell chaos theory's or Mark of the Ninja's

theres the fact the game has constant clipping issues, lack of direction, uninteresting gameplay, among other things

And the Arkham games, and Deus Ex (Both of them), and the Crysis games, and Gunpoint, and Thief, and Hitman...

Even the recent Fallouts and Skyrim have had better stealth than guise of the herp, and those are bad by today's standards (easily outclassed by DX/DXHR, mark of nanja, etc that people have mentioned).

A game with a literal toggle on/off switch for stealth regardless of where you're standing, where guards are standing/facing, and regardless of cover or time of day is not a system any game has except for this shlock. Even that guy said he had to get on top of a light post in Dishonored, presumably via tier 2 agility high-jump, tier 2 teleport (requiring not only the investment into the skill but also time to "equip" the skill, aim and cast it), or creative level exploration, none of which is "toggle crouch."

The game is uniquely bad, and is nowhere close to any of today's stealth games... or even today's action games with stealth elements. It's just a fucking bad game.

 

[Strazdas]

So somone decided to attack TotalBiscuit again. I do hope they get a nice asswhooping from his legal team. They certainly look like spoiled brats.
For people that dont want to fish for info all over the thread and itnernet, here is everything in a single image:

Spoiler: image is very large so spoilers

 

[Barbas]

So somone decided to attack TotalBiscuit again. I do hope they get a nice asswhooping from his legal team. They certainly look like spoiled brats.
For people that dont want to fish for info all over the thread and itnernet, here is everything in a single image:

Spoiler: image is very large so spoilers

As a man once said: "I...It's n- It's fucked up, man. It's fucked up."

I have never witnessed a company conducting itself in such a manner before, but if this is how they see fit to treat people then I will be glad to see the back of them.

Also, is that [user]RipVanTinkle[/user]'s old avatar below the last tweet? SUSPICION.

 

[NuclearKangaroo]

Im actually not surprised this happened with youtubes automatic claims processing. Im going to be a voice of dissent though even though I usually watch TBs videos. From my point of view I watched the guise of the wolf video and TB tore it to shreds. However as I was watching the video I didnt think it was really that bad. Im not, nor will I ever be a graphics guy so I wont shy away from a game that looks bad (hell my favorite game is X-com enemy unknown (1993) so graphics dont mean a thing to me as long as theres good gameplay and/or an interesting story).

The stealth system was laughable but so is just about every games stealth mechanics. So what else was really bad about the game...um, nothing that I recall from the video. I have not bought the game and have no plans to, however I really do feel like TB was harder on the game then he really needed to be and I kept not understanding why. His criticisms, to me, didnt match up with much of what was shown in his video. Guise of the wolf, based on my limited video watching was not Gary's incident in awfulness and yet it seemed like he hammered it harder then Gary's incident.

Perhaps you need to watch the streamed videos to really get how bad Guise is but the one video I watched didnt tell me that the game was bad. It just said "this game is not for me"

That said, FUN is dead wrong for taking down the video. Any company that would censor criticism does not, nor will it ever, deserve consumers money. Even if their game turned out to be a diamond in excrement their actions have forever steered me away from them. I will always look at them with suspicion and distrust

"The stealth system was laughable but so is just about every games stealth mechanics."

have you played ANY stealth game in your entire life?

tell me MGS3S' stealth is laughable, or dishonored's, or splinter cell chaos theory's or Mark of the Ninja's

theres the fact the game has constant clipping issues, lack of direction, uninteresting gameplay, among other things

Dishonored had horrible stealth.

Enemies were dumb, deaf, and blind. On the hardest mode it offered.

I could stand on the lamp posts and no guard would look up. In the middle of the day time.

I remember in the mansion level were a guard walked down the hallway and didn't see my at the end because of short sightedness.

If we made a true stealth game, 99.99% of the player base won't even get past level 1. I waltz into dishonored and waltz out. The game was so short and the assassinations were so easy I wondered why I bought it at a non sale price.

it seems you dont understand the difference between "bad" and "realistic"


i doubt normal plumbers can jump that high, but id be dammed if mario's platforming isnt fun

 

[Windcaler]

"The stealth system was laughable but so is just about every games stealth mechanics."

have you played ANY stealth game in your entire life?

tell me MGS3S' stealth is laughable, or dishonored's, or splinter cell chaos theory's or Mark of the Ninja's

theres the fact the game has constant clipping issues, lack of direction, uninteresting gameplay, among other things

Lets read that again. "The stealth system was laughable but so is just about every games stealth mechanics."

Key words: just about. Also meaning many but not all. Next time you read one of my posts please read it in its entirety and use your mind to analyze whats actually being said. Furthermore if you take issue with something I say please approach me and the discussion like an adult. A well reasoned and intelligent counter argument is far more likely to get me to listen to you then a thinly veiled insult targeting my perceived inexperience with a genre of video game

Getting back on topic, as I said I didnt see the research stream. Watching streams just isnt my thing. That said, I think TBs point of "the game is broken" would have come off better if he demonstrated the broken parts during his video. However when I watched it they werent there so I didnt come away from that video thinking guise was broken and buggy.

 

[NuclearKangaroo]

"The stealth system was laughable but so is just about every games stealth mechanics."

have you played ANY stealth game in your entire life?

tell me MGS3S' stealth is laughable, or dishonored's, or splinter cell chaos theory's or Mark of the Ninja's

theres the fact the game has constant clipping issues, lack of direction, uninteresting gameplay, among other things

Lets read that again. "The stealth system was laughable but so is just about every games stealth mechanics."

Key words: just about. Also meaning many but not all. Next time you read one of my posts please read it in its entirety and use your mind to analyze whats actually being said. Furthermore if you take issue with something I say please approach me and the discussion like an adult. A well reasoned and intelligent counter argument is far more likely to get me to listen to you then a thinly veiled insult targeting my perceived inexperience with a genre of video game

Getting back on topic, as I said I didnt see the research stream. Watching streams just isnt my thing. That said, I think TBs point of "the game is broken" would have come off better if he demonstrated the broken parts during his video. However when I watched it they werent there so I didnt come away from that video thinking guise was broken and buggy.

so you consider inexperience an insult? wow, im sorry if i offended you, you clearly had the right to imply i didnt "use your mind", so much for acting like an adult huh?

you saw the sound overlapping as a wereworld and at no point you thought "this is broken"?, or when TB walked straight through rocks and walls?

please explain how badly a game must fail to be broken and buggy


also, if you seriously think many stealth games have mechanics as broken as this, you have seriously not played many stealth games, atleast not good ones


i provided you with some examples, i dare you say those games have stealth mechanics on par with guise of the wolf

 

[gargantual]

Of course, on the other hand, since I'm not being paid to do it as a job then were I to review Final Fantasy XIII I would have no reason to give readers any reasons why they might like it when I didn't. I'm not a professional, why should I look at the pros and cons when I would personally not recommend the game?

That is the downside of being an amateur - there is no standard to meet. Of course, if you want to build an audience (and not just throw ideas into the wind), you must do something to keep them interested.

And, it could easily be argued that if you did not find something to like in the game then you don't have much basis to write about what some theoretical other person might like. When you start creating such rhetorical creatures, you tend to undermine your own argument because it is easy to envision someone that likes every single thing you hated. And then the problem with subjectivity is such that the relative value of a review is all but nil unless you have fair evidence that the tastes of the reviewer match your own.

As an example, I recall that Justin McElroy had literally nothing but unkind things to say about the game Alpha Protocol going so far as to say the whole game felt "gross". I played the game myself and found that I actually quite liked the game. Had I simply gone with what a professional (who's opinion and work I respect) said, I would have missed out on a great experience. From this comes a lesson: the reviewer only has the duty of relaying their own experience I, as a consumer have the duty to interpret this revelation using my own tastes when it comes to making a judgement.

I'd argue that the reviewer still has the responsibility to let the people know if the product is bad. Thats why there are a wide variety of internet opinion and yours.

Imagine if Square was able to stomp out all bad critique of Kane and Lynch and Dog Days and more people blew money on a shitty game. People are still pissed about Battlefield 4. Nowadays you have a lot of social justice thematic critique, and not enough popular emphasis on what parts of a game are a mechanically uncomfortable experience. If folks don't get out and challenge this muck, then everyone will just accept it, and games will get worse and worse. You'll be playing mechanically frustrating sports and action games, and subtly accept them as the new standard whilst getting screwed out of your money by freemium online F2P scams.

The standards of games would lower to abhorrent levels if there weren't voices. Because there are still people are making thousands of dollars publishing dreck or scams, and baiting us into playing them. Our consumer rights have to be protected, but standards have to be established first. That's what all these YT professional reviews do, when the major sites don't have the time or independent pulpit.

 

[porous_shield]

I'd argue that the reviewer still has the responsibility to let the people know if the product is bad. Thats why there are a wide variety of internet opinion and yours.

Imagine if Square was able to stomp out all bad critique of Kane and Lynch and Dog Days and more people blew money on a shitty game. People are still pissed about Battlefield 4. Nowadays you have a lot of social justice thematic critique, and not enough popular emphasis on what parts of a game are a mechanically uncomfortable experience. If folks don't get out and challenge this muck, then everyone will just accept it, and games will get worse and worse. You'll be playing mechanically frustrating sports and action games, and subtly accept them as the new standard whilst getting screwed out of your money by freemium online F2P scams.

The standards of games would lower to abhorrent levels if there weren't voices. Because there are still people are making thousands of dollars publishing dreck or scams, and baiting us into playing them. Our consumer rights have to be protected, but standards have to be established first. That's what all these YT professional reviews do, when the major sites don't have the time or independent pulpit.

Well, Jeff Gerstmann did lose his job because of the pressure the Kane and Lynch publishers put on Gamespot for better reviews of their games. They weren't the only ones trying to put pressure on Gamespot for better reviews either.

 

[ToastyMozart]

so you consider inexperience an insult? wow, im sorry if i offended you, you clearly had the right to imply i didn't "use your mind", so much for acting like an adult huh?

you saw the sound overlapping as a wereworld and at no point you thought "this is broken"?, or when TB walked straight through rocks and walls?

please explain how badly a game must fail to be broken and buggy


also, if you seriously think many stealth games have mechanics as broken as this, you have seriously not played many stealth games, at least not good ones


i provided you with some examples, i dare you say those games have stealth mechanics on par with guise of the wolf

When you dont take the time to analyze whats been written I have every right to say you didnt use your brain when forming a counter argument and even now you continue this immature style of arguing. Im not going to be part of it. When you can act like an adult and form an intelligent and well thought out counter argument then Ill be happy to continue the discussion but not till then. Good day

[EDIT: See CaptainMarvelous's post. He put it more descriptively than I did.]

 

[Sofus]

"Helps to have a map"

I'm getting tired of watching this broken youtube system continue its existance.

 

[freaper]

This is hilarious, like watching teenagers try to spoil each other's reputation with painfully transparent tricks.

 

[Lord Doomhammer]

Ugh, the worst thing that'll come out of this is TB getting money and continuing his boring shtick.

At least Yathzee is actually funny. I cringe whenever TB starts showing a game and spend 20min in the options screen.

Why does everything have to be entertainment first? The point of the series is to inform the consumer, it's not like he's showing the option screen because he finds them hilarious.

To be fair, sometimes the options menu is hilarious...

OT:
Yea, can't wait to see how this plays out. It's fun seeing a game developer equivalent of North Korea.

 

[CaptainMarvelous]

so you consider inexperience an insult? wow, im sorry if i offended you, you clearly had the right to imply i didnt "use your mind", so much for acting like an adult huh?

you saw the sound overlapping as a wereworld and at no point you thought "this is broken"?, or when TB walked straight through rocks and walls?

please explain how badly a game must fail to be broken and buggy


also, if you seriously think many stealth games have mechanics as broken as this, you have seriously not played many stealth games, atleast not good ones


i provided you with some examples, i dare you say those games have stealth mechanics on par with guise of the wolf

When you dont take the time to analyze whats been written I have every right to say you didnt use your brain when forming a counter argument and even now you continue this immature style of arguing. Im not going to be part of it. When you can act like an adult and form an intelligent and well thought out counter argument then Ill be happy to continue the discussion but not till then. Good day

So, outside observer, you appear to be scrabbling for the intellectual high-ground after being thoroughly shotdown by the Kangaroo gentleman. They even attempted to engage you seriously by saying "I have given examples of games with good stealth, please give some with ones worse than or equal to Guise of the Wolf" and the most insulting or immature thing they've done is say they doubt you've played many stealth games because the statement sounds so outlandish (e.g. Bubsy 3D isn't that bad, just about no platformer has good platforming) it sounds as though you were making a blanket statement and then attempting to defend it by saying you meant more than you did (it's only a caveat for when someone does prove you wrong) but that still means you need at least ONE example to prove your case. Given how (frankly) ignorant that statement sounds they had every right to question your authority and you did not have one to accuse them of not reading (also noticing how in neither of these posts did you manage to counter-argue the point)

As it stands on the immature arguing front you have
"Statement" <- You
"Counter-argument with evidence (questioning of authority in making previous statement)" <-Kangaroo
"Ad hominem to the counter-arguers intelligence" <- You
"Continued argument and challenges"
"Refusal to argue, dismissal of opponent as incapable of arguing while simultaneously failing to refute any of 7 points they've raised"

It's not even an argument, you're just trying to call the other person stupid in a vain attempt to make your position seem more reasonable.
A MATURE counter-argument (rather than saying the opposition is illiterate) would have been citing Guise of the Wolf's plus points in terms of stealth, other games with poorly implemented stealth or just, y'know... defending the original statement. Or a retraction admitting you may have been wrong or mispoke. Instead you decided they must have read it wrong (and provided evidence for how no matter HOW you read it, the statement was at best ill-informed or at worst one-sided) and calling them stupid.

tl;dr, you're the immature one, If someone challenges you defend your statement or admit your fault, don't decide they're too stupid to be worth your time, if they misread it it's STILL your fault.

 

[Tireseas_v1legacy]

I hope FUN's lawyers intervene and tell them to stop the internet pissing match because if they walk into court with this, they could lose more in sanctions than gain in damages (not to mention potential defamation claims). Judges do not like their courtrooms to be used to harass people.

 

[Muspelheim]

Through the silence, all that could be heard were the loud rap of leather, of a wallet slapping shut. The moment was gone. It was impossible to tell if there were an echo, or if it was an entire chorus of closing wallets, speaking the only word they knew.

Imagine if they spent all of this energy on mending the game's problems?

 

[Mangod]

Through the silence, all that could be heard were the loud rap of leather, of a wallet slapping shut. The moment was gone. It was impossible to tell if there were an echo, or if it was an entire chorus of closing wallets, speaking the only word they knew.

Imagine if they spent all of this energy on mending the game's problems?

Fun fact: on the Steam frontpage, there's a tab for recently updated games... and guess what I found on there earlier today while waiting for Banished to become available? Guise of the Wolf. So, curious that I was, I clicked on the tab to see what changes they had made to the game based on gamer feedback.

The page was empty.

No, really, it was completely blank. Either they haven't made any changes (the likely option) and are just lying to people, or they've made some updates to the game, but somehow couldn't fill in a simple page on what changes they had made (less likely).

To quote a great man:

"Dra åt helvete."
- Voltaire, 1694-1778.