First of all, I am progressive. I even 100% support basic income and see food, shelter, medicine, education, including higher education, utilities, internet, clothing and transportation as being HUMAN RIGHTS. I see that we should make sure that maintaining a minimum standard of living for all people should be considered a right and see that as a nation's duty included under " looking out for the welfare of the people"
So you say, yet you constantly avoid all criticisms of the Democrat party, you haven't addressed the very genuine concerns about Obama having helped the same Wall Street ghouls that caused the 2008 housing crisis, you haven't addressed the fact that Obama is a war criminal and responsible for the deaths of thousands of
civilians, you haven't addressed any of these, you haven't addressed the fact that corporations and therefore capitalism is guilty of the environmental problems we're currently facing, you haven't addressed the problems of the sweat-shops these corps operate for your clothes and phones, you haven't addressed the problems of the fact that people are literally dying in the name of selling you more beer and fucking sodas, you switch topics every time these things are brought up, which is very disingenuous, yeah right you believe in human rights yet you claim war criminal Barack Obama was a good President, fuck off, this isn't to say Republicans are better in many aspects they are far worse, but if you were being honest about caring about HUMAN RIGHTS you'd recognise these issues and would be repulsed by Obama, at least when talking with
@Secondhand Revenant he acknowledged these are real concerns.
I AM VERY hostile to these STUPID ideas for good reason. First off, the people proposing them here are only trying to get Trump elected, and are doing NOTHING to help save my life, the lives of my friends, family, neighbors and millions of other Americans. They are only shitposting utter nonsense at this point to try to persuade people not to vote and offering no solutions to keep anyone alive until something better happens. Instead, they are actively trying to BLOCK something better happening in the meantime and make sure the party whose policies result in removing food, housing, medicine, and right to life to the poor, disabled and sick instead are able to do so. They are okay with me dying due to their actions, so why shouldn't I be hostile when they are only talking idiocy and have zero concern for me or anyone else for that matter?
This is the single stupidest take you could've had on this matter, it doesn't deserve much discussion further than that but I'll humour you, the reason why they're shitposting isn't to get Trump elected as you say, people like us care way more about human rights than someone as disingenuous as you could ever care, we're trying to find a solution to the problem, unfortunately some don't and just end up apathetic and others seek revolution.
Installing a dictatorship is an absurdly stupid idea. Trying to overthrow the Government, US military and police is a stupid idea. Not voting and telling people not to vote is a stupid idea. None of it is a viable solution at all. The only way you control the "US Military" so it doesn't kill you is through VOTING, otherwise you are committing treason and it will kill you if you try to overthrow the government. The sheer level of technology now makes some sort of old style revolution impossible for a nation like the US. Voting is our only current path forward and the only means to get from point A to point B. The reality is that people can only change things in the US by voting. If they want to change who is elected, they have to find a viable means to counteract the disinformation blitz that convinces people not to vote and convinces people that they should vote for scumbags like Trump who literally WANTS banks to foreclose on the poor and actively inflicts harm, suffering and death through his policies.
Personally I desire Anarchy because that way there would be no Dictatorship as I'm vehemently against all form of Authoritarianism as that would circumvent the problem of a Dictator, of course I do recognise there would be new problems to deal that but still a Socialist Libertarian system seems preferable to what we have, especially if it was implemented in a World-Wide scale, anyway if all you wish to do is call people stupid, then allow me to point out the stupidity of believing that a system that was deliberately designed to oppress you can be changed to be genuinely good without getting rid of the source of many of the problems being discussed which is Capitalism, it is absurdly naive and misguided to think you have any way to fix such a system, also while Trump is a horrible person and an even worse leader you again fail to recognise that Democrats are also horrible people with horrible ideas with no intention of fixing the larger problems plaguing the USA and the world, even Bernie Sanders was only interested in implementing half-measures that wouldn't solve the core problem, if you're going to call the ideas of the real left, the real progressives stupid at least come up with an actual solution, as it stands all you say is just propaganda for doing absolutely nothing to fix the actual problems, I don't entirely see eye to eye with communists as I fundamentally despise Authoritarian governments but at least they're actually trying to solve the problems not like you people.
We can change who is elected in the US, but this has to start on the city, county, and state level, then congress and work our way up to president. IF you control the local, state and congressional races, you then control the electoral college. We have to have actual volunteers willing to do more than just talk online from the comforts of their homes to put a stop to it though. They have to be willing to hit the streets and talk to people to counter disinformation in the cities we need to flip, the congressional races we need to flip. Some can be done online, but you need to be IN those communities to even access many of their local groups in order to do so. It takes involvement, empathy and understanding to be able to make changes and change people's minds.
Which you won't because these are being controlled by corporations and as long as they have money and power will continue to do so, to think otherwise is naive, again a complete lack of a solution on your part.
I am not seeing that they are willing to do so, they aren't even willing to figure out how to keep people alive today, let alone put forth the effort to do what it actually takes to change these things in reality. WHY should you, I or anyone else for that matter put faith in someone or their absurd ideas when they are showing so little disregard for the lives of everyone right now? how easily they just view us, our lives as disposable only goes to show you their intent. If they see that we are disposable for their cause, why would I, or anyone else for that matter want anything to do with their cause? All you would be doing is replacing one government who doesn't care about the people for another that doesn't care about the people. They aren't going to JACK to change anything for the better, they just want to talk people out of changing anything for the better and keeping people alive in the meantime because I do not see that have the best interests of the people in mind at all here to begin with. If they did, they would actually be extremely alarmed by the people's lives at risk today, tomorrow, the next year and make sure ANY plan they have focuses on keeping as many people alive as you can in the process. We have one path here to improvement that means saving the most we can, and one that recklessly kills millions. It isn't difficult to figure out which path to take if you interest is actually saving the people in the first place.
It's you that don't want to change things for the better, again you fail to acknowledge that people are already dying by the millions due to capitalism and soon it'll be the whole World that's going to be be dead thanks to it, not immediately but we're very close to irreparable damage, in any case at least they care more than people like you and yeah dying for the cause is harsh and I would prefer that bloodshed wasn't necessary but there's no peaceful way to take the power away from the ones that currently hold it, and what's the alternative to continue engaging with a system that has proven to be resistant to change at every single turn?
Seriously what you preach is absurd.
We have a viable path forward, we just have to be smart enough to use it. We have to take the electoral college. Pretending like it can't be done and giving up isn't true and it isn't helping. My own sister was an elector, people acting like this is impossible, either don't understand how this works or they haven't bothered to even try to figure it out. You don't take it by force, you take it by persuasion.
You're viable path forward is nothing but a fantasy, these people can't persuaded, do you think the Trumps, the Bezos, the Musks of this world will really be persuaded to give up their empires?
What you're saying is complete stupidity to be honest, it's a shame that by the time you realise that it's going to be too late already, we're literally facing the possible end of the world here, we don't have time for this nonsense, and again the people hold no actual power over the governments, it's the corporations that do.
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