Twitch removes famous emote

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As much as I dislike Twitch, I am not crying for this douche. I didn't realize that Twitch Emote was from a user. First time I've known about it. From what I witnessed, nothing of value was lost.
 
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Do you think if someone says they want to commit genocide that they shouldn't be cancelled? Because that's what it sounds like your saying.
Such a declaration would definitely not be a credible threat, unless you're, like, Putin.
 

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Good, bigotry and shitty behavior shouldn't be endorsed.
 

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Gootecks did an oopsie. Well, at least it wasn't involving minors like with those other old capcom people XD.
 

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I wonder if he will pick up Xrd like Mike Ross now.
 

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Not video game related, moved to Current Events.
 

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That isn't what this dude did though. How is supporting those rioters any different than supporting the Rioters for BLM?
The difference is that there is a politically correct side to be on, and if you are on the wrong side then everything about you is automatically evil and therefore should be erased. Because anything that the left doesn't like is labeled as Nazism even when everybody knows that isn't Nazism.

Words and actions are different things and should be treated differently. Telling someone to "die in a fire" in a fit of road rage is pretty meaningless. Insulting and demeaning someone for the way they drive is nothing, because it's just a verbal outburst in the heat of the moment and doesn't mean anything.

However getting out of your car and start punching the other driver's car is a very different animal. Because that's an action. There is a reason why saying "Fuck you" to somebody isn't illegal, but forcefully fucking them is very very illegal.

So why are we trying to make opinions and thoughts crimes worthy of virtual obliteration?
Because twitch leadership has a right of expression themselves too. They don't owe everyone the right to be featured on their website. There is nothing stopping someone starting a competing streaming website where such statements do not impact your ability to be featured prominently.

Here I will admit I might have jumped the gun early, so if I've misunderstood I apologize, but: my understanding is that on twitch there are emotes that are available universally as well as emotes that are channel-specific. My understanding is that the pogchamp emote was in the previous category, so this wasn't twitch merely hosting images of a person they technically do not agree with but still allows for expression on their website; this was them elevating him, which is a different matter.
 

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Because twitch leadership has a right of expression themselves too.
There's an adage: "Your rights end where mine begin"
But, oddly enough, I never hear that applied to freedom of expression...

There is nothing stopping someone starting a competing streaming website
There's a lot stopping people from starting a competing streaming website, actually. There's a reason that Youtube and Twitch are hosted by Google and Amazon, both companies with tons of money already behind them, because it takes an incredible amount of computer resources and neither of them are directly profitable.
 
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There's a lot stopping people from starting a competing streaming website, actually. There's a reason that Youtube and Twitch are hosted by Google and Amazon, both companies with tons of money already behind them, because it takes an incredible amount of computer resources and neither of them are directly profitable.
I dunno, bitchute exists, and it was started after Alex Jones was ousted from youtube. Odds are the effort to start bitchute is comparable to whatever it would cost to start pogchamp.streaming(or whatever the site would be called).
 

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They refused to continue hosting an image depicting someone they no longer wished to associate with. A decision I can sympathize with. They exercised their right to speech.

Twitch didn't owe the pogchamp guy the right to be prominently featured on their website.

Yeah I remember when you had the right to hold opinions, such as when Twitch held the opinion that they did not wish to promote the message the pogchamp guy stood for.
Except they exercised their right to speech to try and make punish said person for exercising their own right to speech.

Furthermore it's kind of fairly bad considering the company was basically using said guys image basically for free so you'd expect they'd not be quite as authoritarian towards him.

Then again this is twitch whose CEO / ex CEO was been accused multiple times of trading sexual favours for benefit and Twitch has recently enacted a policy to bad streamers (or I think even people from chat globally) if they suggest another streamer is getting an advantage due to trading favours in such a way.

It's Twitch than permabanned a streamer for doing allowed body painting in the way twitch even allows. But a girl who parted her shorts and ass cheeks to bare all to the viewers got a 3 days suspension because she claimed so accidentally did it........
 

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ISIS is who I was talking about.

Should we let ISIS talking about genociding all Westerners?
Well twitter did for years until anonymous literally started hacking accounts belonging to ISIS and then deliberately working to get them banned by spamming porn from them.


Because twitch leadership has a right of expression themselves too. They don't owe everyone the right to be featured on their website. There is nothing stopping someone starting a competing streaming website where such statements do not impact your ability to be featured prominently.

Here I will admit I might have jumped the gun early, so if I've misunderstood I apologize, but: my understanding is that on twitch there are emotes that are available universally as well as emotes that are channel-specific. My understanding is that the pogchamp emote was in the previous category, so this wasn't twitch merely hosting images of a person they technically do not agree with but still allows for expression on their website; this was them elevating him, which is a different matter.
It's weird to me that US corporations are treated as people but not obliged to act like them. If you silenced another persons right to speech you'd likely face challenges. Companies don't yet people defend their right to speak as a corporate entity rather than individual people making the decision. Why couldn't twitch's leadership tweet the info themselves as people and have the official account retweet it?
 

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The real blame IS on Capcom though.

Anyway, Gootecks is an example of someone who fell off the wagon. Once upon a time I 100% thought the free flow of unlimited information would make everyone smarter, but instead we got conspiracy truthers or whatever you call them. Twitch chat lives on its own and the emote, in essence, will live on through a 3rd party addon to Twitch.
 
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To be honest I don't really care about what this guy said or didn't but complaining about an emote being removed sounds like the first world problem of first world problems. It isn't censorship or anything alike, it's a meaningless symbolic action without any real consequence for anybody. How people can get upset about something as trivial as this is beyond me.