Ubisoft Kills Ghost Recon: Future Soldier on PC

[Treblaine]

Man, it must be hard to be PC elitist when 3 games come out for it every year.

Oh it's not that bad. I think us PC gamers are counting our blessings we aren't in the same boat as Xbox 360 which has only had Gears of War 3 as its single note-worthy exclusive. Wii also having JUST Skyward Sword this year. And what are PC gamers missing out on, of yeah that shooter they try to sell with the kinect gimmick...

PC has had this year in terms of exclusives:
-Hard Reset
-Shogun 2
-Red Orchestra 2
-Minecraft
-EYE
-Terraria
-Magicka
-Torchlight 2
-Haunted: Hell's Reach
-SW: Old Republic
-DOTA 2
Exclusive for now:
-Serious Sam 3 (still no date for console version, not even box-art)
-Witcher 2

And I still have Portal 2, Arkham City, BF3, MW3, Bastion, Deus Ex: human Revolution, Skyrim, WH40k Space Marine, Saints Row the Third and RAGE to play on my PC in 1080p native resolution, 60-frame/sec and with mouse aim.

I'll tell you it's a hard life being a PC gamer, I just have WAY too many games to play. I don't know where I'll ever find the time! So much goodness. This Ubisoft tantrum is a like that stuck up annoying asshole saying he's not coming to our party when he always outstayed his welcome anyway.

(PS: for my PS3 + 360 I have Gears 3, Killzone 3, Resistance 3, Uncharted 3 and (combo breaker) Infamous 2 as the only console games worth playing this year. They're nice DVD players though.)

 

[RhombusHatesYou]

Does this constant blaming of PC Gamers kind of remind people of the olden days of screaming, "Witch" while bringing out some poor innocent soul to go roast on a stick because someone got the sniffles?

Nope, nor does it remind me of Nazi Germany, McCarthy era USA, the White Australia Policy, the Great Leap Forward, Stalin's Purges, The Crusades, various South and Central American Death Squads, Apartheid South Africa, the Atlantic Slave Trade, Internment Era Northern Ireland, or when Spock died.

It's just some company acting like a sack of cocks.

Admit it. It's a little bit like when Spock died.

Only if you've got the version where Kirk yells "I FUCKED YOUR MUM!" as Spock breaths his last.

 

[RhombusHatesYou]

It is a file transfer/distribution protocol and nothing more.

It's also one that doesn't require as much in the way of dedicated resources as more traditional protocols do.

 

[Treblaine]

If DRM is hacked that easily (I didn't know with me not being a PC gamer) then I'm surprised more developers haven't jumped ship

Hey, I'm a PC gamer and I have NEVER pirated a single game.

Ever.

Not a single game.

Your weasel words are as bad as that thing those right-wing shock-jocks say:
"well I don't know how easy it is to make a suicide bomber's belt... I'm not a muslim"

I'm not sure if any have even been insensitive enough to say that but the principal of implication is the same.

NOT ALL PC GAMERS ARE PIRATES!

You are using a PC right now, you are just as capable of pirating as me. Yet because I ACTUALLY BUY PC GAMES that somehow marks me out as a pirate?!?!?

 

[Burst6]

First off, I defy any PC gamer to say they haven't pirated a game before....seriously. It's rife on PC

Secondly, to people bitching about Ubisofts DRM. I think always online DRM is a good thing and heres why:
They want to know that the copy of, say, Assassins Creed you are playing is a legit copy. The old CD key tactic is pretty much useless due to the sheer amount of Keygens floating about the web. Therefore, always online DRM allows them to check that the copy you are playing is legal.
If you made a game that cost a tonne to develop you would want to make sure no one pirated it, right? Well thats what Ubisoft are doing...

You know, except for the fact that the DRM gets cracked within days(sometimes instantly) for games. So when the game is released, the pirates will have a better quality game than the people who actually bought it.

Two neighbors get a ubisoft game. One pays for it, one pirates it. One day, something happens that deprives them of internet connection (maybe a storm or they're using their laptops for entertainment in a place without wifi). Which one has the better game version?

If DRM is hacked that easily (I didn't know with me not being a PC gamer) then I'm surprised more developers haven't jumped ship

As for your question, they both have the same game version...just one wasn't paid for. I'm guessing most PC gamers have a backup plan for when they aren't online so playing something else shouldn't really be a problem. I play Halo online and when my connection drops I play GTAIV instead.

PC piracy is too much of a problem now and its gonna be nigh on impossible to stop

As I said, pirates have essentially robbed PC of Ubisoft

Developers will NEVER be safe from pirates. Even if every developer moves to consoles, it's not like consoles can't be hacked. A good percent of the pirates will just move on to consoles. Making draconian DLC that only hurts the people that buy your game is a great way to get more pirates.

Besides, it's not like pirates make PC gaming unprofitable. If they did, valve, blizzard, and even mojang wouldn't exist.

And they don't have the same version. One has DRM that makes it worse for them if they don't have internet, and one doesn't. Besides, isn't it frustrating when you get a new release you're been waiting for for years, but then getting home and figuring out you can't play it because you don't have internet access all the time?

Pretend there's an MMO where a raid boss is invincible to normal attacks, and whenever you attack him he just releases a massive burst of fire that hurts everyone in the raid. You can't beat this boss directly, and you need to think of another way to finish him off, but your raid leader just keeps charging in headfirst with a massive hammer. Everyone keeps trying to tell the raid leader to stop, but he won't for whatever stupid reason. The boss isn't taking any damage, but the raid is.

Then, when the raid leader gets low on HP, he whines to the other raiders that they suck, and leaves.

Someone earlier in the post gave me a link saying that Ubisoft's pc sales dropped drastically after the DRM. If that's true, then this analogy is perfect.

 

[Balimaar]

Dear Ubisoft,

we (PC users) are not complaining about you protecting your rights to your intellectual property with DRM.

what we do complain about is over-the-top protections of the sort where if your internet drops out you get taken back to the main menu.

oh and btw Ubisoft, I have cancelled my pre-order for Assasins Creed Revelations - you know the most expensive one?

Dont let a few bad apples spoil it for the VAST MAJORITY of legit law abiding PC users.

kind regards,

balimaarthebassfish

 

[tobi the good boy]

First off, I defy any PC gamer to say they haven't pirated a game before....seriously. It's rife on PC

Secondly, to people bitching about Ubisofts DRM. I think always online DRM is a good thing and heres why:
They want to know that the copy of, say, Assassins Creed you are playing is a legit copy. The old CD key tactic is pretty much useless due to the sheer amount of Keygens floating about the web. Therefore, always online DRM allows them to check that the copy you are playing is legal.
If you made a game that cost a tonne to develop you would want to make sure no one pirated it, right? Well thats what Ubisoft are doing...

Anyone remember the opening BIOS screen from the PlayStation:
Piracy harms consumers as well as developers

Well thats been proven correct I reckon

Piracy as well as PC gamers bitching about Ubisofts apparently disgusting protection of its games has just lost the PC a developer

Give yourselves a hearty pat on the back

I'm a PC gamer who is constantly preaching to people not to pirate games even IF they're simply doing it to see if they enjoy it. Games are a luxury not a privilege and I have never pirated a game. I'm quite affronted by your opening comment.

 

[aashell13]

Well, considering that all their other Ghost Recon games control like ass, I suppose I should thank ubisoft for saving me the trouble of rejecting it outright.

 

[KingTiger]

First off, I defy any PC gamer to say they haven't pirated a game before....seriously. It's rife on PC

Secondly, to people bitching about Ubisofts DRM. I think always online DRM is a good thing and heres why:
They want to know that the copy of, say, Assassins Creed you are playing is a legit copy. The old CD key tactic is pretty much useless due to the sheer amount of Keygens floating about the web. Therefore, always online DRM allows them to check that the copy you are playing is legal.
If you made a game that cost a tonne to develop you would want to make sure no one pirated it, right? Well thats what Ubisoft are doing...

Anyone remember the opening BIOS screen from the PlayStation:
Piracy harms consumers as well as developers

Well thats been proven correct I reckon

Piracy as well as PC gamers bitching about Ubisofts apparently disgusting protection of its games has just lost the PC a developer

Give yourselves a hearty pat on the back

Losing a scum bag developer such as them is an honor, look at Skyrim which is a single player game, there are are more than 280 thousand PC users on steam playing it. Why? because Bethesda knows how to treat PC gamers. Same goes for Valve.

I never bought a single Ubisoft game despite wanting Settlers 7 thanks to their DRM....eventually I tried it at a cyber cafe which has pirated games. Didnt leave a good impression so their games are generally bad.

 

[Antari]

They've had about 3 games that I'm even remotely intersted in released in the last 5 years. Them not programming for PC anymore really isn't a loss. If anything its a gain for all the other developers who do program for PC and have morals.

 

[Callate]

Ubi? I have never pirated one of your games. There are three on my shelf right now. But if you don't feel a need to acknowledge my existence, we can certainly make that a mutual arrangement.

 

[Treeinthewoods]

So now consoles get "complete" games and PC's get free to play games where they can probably purchase stupid things and special maps while they look at advertising? Duty of Duty: Farmville? Man, that blows.

If I played anything other than vintage PC games I'd be pissed. Since I play consoles for anything newer than 2000 it doesn't bother me that much. As a business man, I am a little weirded out by a company willingly hacking off an entire market segment. Ports can be done cheap, more money is always good, the corporation's goal is supposed to be increased profits.

Seems... dumb. Really, really dumb.

 

[Treblaine]

Anyone remember the opening BIOS screen from the PlayStation:
Piracy harms consumers as well as developers

I remember that from when I was like, 8 or 10, and I thought they meant these kinds of pirates:

It was years before I learned they meant "people who make illegal copies" which as thieving goes is pretty fucking far down on the chain of wrongness in stealing, I think it is above stealing a loaf of bread to feed your starving family (edit) but well below even shoplifting or failing to turn in a lost piece of property you found. Yet they are given the same label as Pirates who were notorious for their extreme violence and savagery in stealing such wealth and directly destroying lives.

I'm not saying Piracy is all right, it IS thievery. But me thinks that the industry is over-reacting a bit, and that calling people that make unfair copies of things as pirates... it kinda destroys any confidence in their moralising by hyperbole. And they seem to really believe this hyperbole, going as far as holding it as reason to completely give up and be utter whiny cunts about it. But it was not like Ubisoft were particularly committed to PC, with most of their games being "console-simple" ported to PC lazily spending more time and effort with the DRM than anything else.

I don't get it. Ubisoft's constant-online DRM while annoying overkill really does seem to have made it "unpiratable" yet sales still sucked. Maybe because Assassin's Creed Brotherhood is shit that the PC Gaming market hardly gives a shit about, and especially when it treats them like criminals. Now Witcher 2, that was a bigger Success with no DRM when it was in many ways similar to AC:Brotherhood in terms of setting and theme but not gameplay or scope.

Was there any buzz amongst PC gamers for Ghost Recon Future Soldier? It's a bunch of glowing holographic crap! That's the type of shit that idiots find impressive and not in the TF2 kind of idiotic, but kind of "oooh, shiny lights" idiot.

Piracy (for want of a better term) has been rampant on PSP and DS. Same with the original playstation and it seems for single-player games piracy is rampant on 360 now.

 

[JeanLuc761]

Piracy as well as PC gamers bitching about Ubisofts apparently disgusting protection of its games has just lost the PC a developer

Give yourselves a hearty pat on the back

That is incorrect, but I honestly will not shed a single tear if Ubisoft jumps ship altogether. Piracy is an excuse, one that naive, greedy companies like to hide behind as justification to treat the PC market as shitty as they possibly can. Ubisoft's "Always-on DRM" is one of the worst DRM solutions to ever exist, and the outrage against it has caused many PC gamers (myself included) to swear off Ubisoft products entirely. Ubisoft looks down and/or insults PC gamers at every possible turn, and the last two days are evidence of this.

The PC didn't lose a developer because of piracy. The PC lost a developer because said developer treats their legal, paying customers like absolute scum, AS WELL as assuming every single one of them is a thief, hell-bent on breaking the law.

 

[Frostbite3789]

I'm not really surprised. Most of the people I know torrent and I am sure that a huge amount of people torrent PC games. They sure do lose a ton of money to pirates. A lot. So, yeah. I guess that is what happens.

Because it's totally cool to take things away from the majority because of a minority, right?

Sorry Arab population, 9/11 happened, we're no longer allowing any of you to go on planes anymore.

360 games have been leaked and pirated, better not release games on that system anymore. Same for the PS3.

People have burned DVDs, better not release DVDs anymore.

Lets call it what it is, laziness and scapegoating.

 

[Frostbite3789]

"people who make illegal copies" which as thieving goes is pretty fucking far down on the chain of wrongness in stealing, I think it is Juuuust above stealing a loaf of bread to feed your starving family.

...that blew my mind. With just how foolish it is. I mean, really? Comparing stealing entertainment to stealing to feed one's starving family. Did that really just happen? I get hyperbole and all, but c'mon.

 

[Vault101]

First off, I defy any PC gamer to say they haven't pirated a game before....seriously. It's rife on PC

Secondly, to people bitching about Ubisofts DRM. I think always online DRM is a good thing and heres why:
They want to know that the copy of, say, Assassins Creed you are playing is a legit copy. The old CD key tactic is pretty much useless due to the sheer amount of Keygens floating about the web. Therefore, always online DRM allows them to check that the copy you are playing is legal.
If you made a game that cost a tonne to develop you would want to make sure no one pirated it, right? Well thats what Ubisoft are doing...

Anyone remember the opening BIOS screen from the PlayStation:
Piracy harms consumers as well as developers

Well thats been proven correct I reckon

Piracy as well as PC gamers bitching about Ubisofts apparently disgusting protection of its games has just lost the PC a developer

Give yourselves a hearty pat on the back

Thats bullshit, Ive never pirated a game..and I dont accept the "ohh come on,,I bet you ARE a pirate" as an argument

DRM and pricay seem to be two big problems that make eath other worse..yes piracy sucks but PUNISHING YOUR PAYING CUSTOMERS in NOT the right way to go about it, its the fucking stupid way to go about it

PC gamers have to deal with shitty ports, less suport and DRM and now they get told they are "bitching" for being treated badly, I dont buy it

this is all part of the reason I got a console....god help us if all the bullshit starts affecting them (with all this fuss over used games)

 

[Treblaine]

"people who make illegal copies" which as thieving goes is pretty fucking far down on the chain of wrongness in stealing, I think it is Juuuust above stealing a loaf of bread to feed your starving family.

...that blew my mind. With just how foolish it is. I mean, really? Comparing stealing entertainment to stealing to feed one's starving family. Did that really just happen? I get hyperbole and all, but c'mon.

Fair enough.

But is it really as bad as comparing illegal-copying with the most notorious and reviled armed robbers and rapists of the high seas, that is: pirates.

 

[Low Key]

Not a single fuck was given. I haven't so much as looked at a Ubisoft game since the inception of their always on DRM and I wasn't a PC gamer until this year. If they feel so strongly about this whole thing without any proof whatsoever, then fuck them. They aren't worthy of my money, nor are they worthy of my bandwidth if I were a pirate.

As I said before, if this is the future of gaming, I have no qualms with simply not playing anymore. I barely play any games these days anyways. Bethesda and Valve still get my money since they actually support PC gamers, and they don't ***** incessantly about pirates. Aside from those two, the rest can burn in hell for all I care.

 

[jetricx]

Not like Ubisoft was ever particularly friendly to PC gamers, what with all the DRM and terrible ports.
But at least this gives me a reason to save some money.